1994 Chaparral 230 rebuild thread

Woodonglass

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Yup ^^^ It has a lot of "Mass" and is STRONG cuz it has so much GLASS fiber but Not FUN to work with.
 

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So I finally have the transom installed. The fiberglass was thicker at the bottom than the top so I was unable to get it a consistant thickness from top to bottom. I tried to use the PB and apply more / less pressure with the clamps to get it right but was unable. I havent been able to measure accurately yet but im curious how far off it can be.

Im guessing im in the neighborhood of 1/16th off from top to bottom. Does it even matter??? I cant picture in my head how everything works with each other
 

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Look @ Post #100


I did and I guess im just not understanding it. It states that there are different tolerences for the inside and outside of the transom. How is this even possible? Wouldnt the outside be considerd one plane and the inside another. If you use the outside as a reference then only the inside would be the only side to have a tolerence.

Guess im just not understanding it.
 

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Ok, let's see if I can clarify. The outer surface of the transom where the Outdrive plate will connect must be flat and parallel within 1/16" in any direction. On the inside surface of the transom where the connector plate will match up it must be within 1/8" Flat and parallel in any direction. So if you use a Machinist Mic to gauge the thickness of the transom thru the key hole at any given point, these tolerances must be adhered to. Hopefully that will get you there.;)
 

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Ax kicker, Your are right that they are two different planes. The outside flatness needs to be within 1/16" and the inside an 1/8". That's a different measurement technique than measuring total thickness. I'd lay a straight edge across each face, put a light behind it and see it it's writhing spec. If you're not positive stick a feeler gage in the gap to make sure. That's .0625 on the outside and .125 on the inside - that's how flat it needs to be. As far as thickness (21/8-21/4?) you could use a a caliper, plastic or steel; you can find them a lot cheaper than micrometers. I'd use one that does inches, hundredths of inches and thousandths of inches but for this, one that does 1/32" is good enough. If you get one and can't read it I'll help you; the common ones use a vernier scale, takes a little getting used to, the dial calipers are a little more intuitive but more expensive. A good machinist could measure tolerances like this with a six inch scale (a ruler). I found the air hammer really speeded up transom removal but if the hull was really thin it could be dangerous. Like you it worked for me. All of your pictures are showing up as x's, at least on my ipad. Don't know what's up with that. I have plenty of dry glass - in the transom and the tabbing for the stringers. Based on the pics I've seen it's not normal but it certainly does happen. I think it just means a little more grinding for those of us so blessed.
 

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Ax kicker, Your are right that they are two different planes. The outside flatness needs to be within 1/16" and the inside an 1/8". That's a different measurement technique than measuring total thickness. I'd lay a straight edge across each face, put a light behind it and see it it's writhing spec. If you're not positive stick a feeler gage in the gap to make sure. That's .0625 on the outside and .125 on the inside - that's how flat it needs to be. As far as thickness (21/8-21/4?) you could use a a caliper, plastic or steel; you can find them a lot cheaper than micrometers. I'd use one that does inches, hundredths of inches and thousandths of inches but for this, one that does 1/32" is good enough. If you get one and can't read it I'll help you; the common ones use a vernier scale, takes a little getting used to, the dial calipers are a little more intuitive but more expensive. A good machinist could measure tolerances like this with a six inch scale (a ruler). I found the air hammer really speeded up transom removal but if the hull was really thin it could be dangerous. Like you it worked for me. All of your pictures are showing up as x's, at least on my ipad. Don't know what's up with that. I have plenty of dry glass - in the transom and the tabbing for the stringers. Based on the pics I've seen it's not normal but it certainly does happen. I think it just means a little more grinding for those of us so blessed.


hummm I think I get it. Doesnt quite make sense to me to be able to have parallel tolerence differences between the inner and outer transom, but hey, ill just try to get everything within .0625 and I should be good.

After I measure with my calipers, if I find that I have the upper or lower part of the transom outside of tolerence would it be okay to appy some extra layers of glass in the lower area and fare with some thickened resin? I assume thats acceptable ?


I did have a lot of dry glass but I was able to hammer and grind most of that out. I think I made it down to at least 90% solid hull material. Whatever I do will be stronger than what the factory built.

Im gonna try to set up a photobucket account for my pics. This new platform is apparently still having issues with pics.
 

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I just now figured out the time to be measuring is when you're clamping. Not making light of your situation - I'm sure it can be fixed, just don't know the best way. Pretty sure you don't want to use resin alone as a filler, it't too brittle and has no strength by itself. Someone will be along to help with that. Just to satisfy my own curiosity on the parallel tolerances thing, they don't have to be straight lines, say they were two parallel arcs (curved). If you check thickness and parallelism they'd be fine but you'd end up with a leak when you bolt on the inner transom plate and the gimbal assembly. I'll steal this from another post rickryder replied to. Pay attention to c and d below. Re: Transom Thickness Special Information Transom Specifications 22170 a - Transom Thickness-to Be 2 In. (51 mm) Minimum To 2-1/4 in. (57 mm) Maximum b - Transom Surfaces-MUST BE Parallel Within 1/8 in. (3.2 mm) Measured At Top And Bottom Of Cutout Hole c - Area Covered By Inner Transom Plate-MUST BE Flat Within 1/8 in. (3.2 mm) d - Area Covered By Gimbal Housing Assembly-MUST BE Flat Within 1/16 in. (1.6 mm) e - Transom Angle-10 to 16 f - Keel (If Equipped)-Remove 4 Ft. (1.2m) Forward To Transom The flatter the better Here is the thread in case you're interested.
 

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I just now figured out the time to be measuring is when you're clamping. Not making light of your situation - I'm sure it can be fixed, just don't know the best way. Pretty sure you don't want to use resin alone as a filler, it't too brittle and has no strength by itself. Someone will be along to help with that. Just to satisfy my own curiosity on the parallel tolerances thing, they don't have to be straight lines, say they were two parallel arcs (curved). If you check thickness and parallelism they'd be fine but you'd end up with a leak when you bolt on the inner transom plate and the gimbal assembly. I'll steal this from another post rickryder replied to. Pay attention to c and d below. Re: Transom Thickness Special Information Transom Specifications 22170 a - Transom Thickness-to Be 2 In. (51 mm) Minimum To 2-1/4 in. (57 mm) Maximum b - Transom Surfaces-MUST BE Parallel Within 1/8 in. (3.2 mm) Measured At Top And Bottom Of Cutout Hole c - Area Covered By Inner Transom Plate-MUST BE Flat Within 1/8 in. (3.2 mm) d - Area Covered By Gimbal Housing Assembly-MUST BE Flat Within 1/16 in. (1.6 mm) e - Transom Angle-10 to 16 f - Keel (If Equipped)-Remove 4 Ft. (1.2m) Forward To Transom The flatter the better Here is the thread in case you're interested.


That cleared up a lot for me. I was confusing the difference between the panels being parallel and flat. So basically we have 3 measurements. Parallel, flat inside, and flat outside.

I will have to take some measurements tomorrow. Im pretty certain that I am within parallel tolerance and inner flatness. I will have to check the outside transom tomorrow for flatness.

Does anyone ever use sealant when installing the gimbal housing. I know it has gaskets etc but would it hurt to add some??? Considering the thing will most likely never come off within the amount of time ill own it ???

Any thoughts.
 

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That cleared up a lot for me. I was confusing the difference between the panels being parallel and flat. So basically we have 3 measurements. Parallel, flat inside, and flat outside. Made my day to be able to help a little. Thought I had read whole thread but noticed WOG had already added the diagram for the Bravo. But that's what's so great about this forum; you can get that little "extra" bit of info to get you over the hump. I will have to take some measurements tomorrow. Im pretty certain that I am within parallel tolerance and inner flatness. I will have to check the outside transom tomorrow for flatness. Does anyone ever use sealant when installing the gimbal housing. I know it has gaskets etc but would it hurt to add some??? Considering the thing will most likely never come off within the amount of time ill own it ??? Any thoughts.
No! Again, not sure what the correct fix is but you don't want do all the hard work on the boat and then do a hatchet job on that critical piece. First get some measurements then the experts can advise (probably matters if it's 1/16 out vs 1/4). Remember, on the outside only the area where the gimbal housing mounts to has to be correct so I don't think it's going to be much work to get it right.
 

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No! Again, not sure what the correct fix is but you don't want do all the hard work on the boat and then do a hatchet job on that critical piece. First get some measurements then the experts can advise (probably matters if it's 1/16 out vs 1/4). Remember, on the outside only the area where the gimbal housing mounts to has to be correct so I don't think it's going to be much work to get it right.



No no no!!!! im not saying that im out of spec. On the contrary, I think that I most likely am within spec. Im just curious why sealant was not used on the outside gimbal. Seems like it would be good insurance but maybe there is a reason to not use it. just curious.

I should have measurements tomorrow.
 

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New thought. It will probably be in-spec, was before hopefully so you shouldn't need to touch it. That gasket was designed to do the job - adding any sealant will hurt not help.
 

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Okay so I was able to take some measurements.

I measured the thickness of the transom from the top, bottom, left center, and right center positions. If I took the difference from the greatest to the lowest measurement, I am no more than .056 different. So as far as being parallel I should be well within spec.

I took a long straight edge to the inside and am not really close to any place being more than .125 out of flatness.

The outside is whats got me puzzled. If I take a straight edge and run it from the very top (beyond where the gimbal housing would be) to the lowest portion I am well over .0625 out in the very center. If I use a shorter straight edge (9") and try to keep it within the confines of where the gimble housing would be I am under .0625. I am getting close to .0625 but none the less I am under.

It appears the rear transom is slightly concave near the center of the keyhole. Not sure why but it is what it is.

Is what I did seem legit according to how you with more experience would check things out. What do you think about the outside transom where the gimble would meet up ?? Role with it or measure some more?

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Sorry for assuming, it dawned on me that you hadn't touched the outside transom right after I submitted. It took me that long to post the second reply. Per statement d if the bellhousing area is within 1/16" you're good to go. They're only giving the spec for the sealing surface, rest of transom really doesn't matter. As a former machinist the best way I can think to measure it is with a straight edge, like you did and if it was close I might get out some feeler gauges just to be sure. Again, sorry about my confusion and I think you're good to go!
 

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Sorry for assuming, it dawned on me that you hadn't touched the outside transom right after I submitted. It took me that long to post the second reply. Per statement d if the bellhousing area is within 1/16" you're good to go. They're only giving the spec for the sealing surface, rest of transom really doesn't matter. As a former machinist the best way I can think to measure it is with a straight edge, like you did and if it was close I might get out some feeler gauges just to be sure. Again, sorry about my confusion and I think you're good to go!


Using a feeler gauge is exactly what I did. Im kinda an amateur machinist myself so I have all the tools to do this stuff. Its just the method for measurement and acceptable tolerances is what im not familiar with.

So after my initial measurements I began to question how I measured. Originally I used a smaller 9" straight edge that allowed me to measure the outer most portion of the key hole while keeping the straight edge inside the sealing area. This at the time made sense to me since only the sealing area needs to be measured., This was under .0625

After thinking about it I began to think about the gimbal housing being one solid piece. So to me it made more sense to measure with a longer straight edge which didnt exceed the length of the gimbal housing but did make contact outside of the sealing area. The top and bottom of the straight edge were outside of the sealing area.

I am going to post some pics of the 2 ways I measured. Each way was to measure the outermost portion of the center of the keyhole. Which way would you feel is acceptable. With the longer straight edge I am over .0625 :(
 
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