Towing with an EcoBoost

mnypitboat

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I often wonder why they rate these "1/2 ton trucks" to carry a payload over 1500lbs and tow 10k. I gotta tell you, with the towing end of things I would never tow a 10k lbs trailer with a 1500 series. If I had to do it once, ok but regularly? No way. My 2500 is more than twice the truck the 1500 is. Way beefier frame, huge brakes...My 2500 weighs 7k. You gotta stop too. Im surprised someone hasn't sued the automakers for saying these trucks can do it. And if they are built heavy enough to actually do it, then why are they called 1/2 ton, 1500 or F150?

I like to err on the side of caution. I am with you on this, HOWEVER, what constitutes braking better in a 3/4 ton. If I am not mistaken, my Trailblazer EXT has the same brakes as a 3/4 ton GMC, or Chevy. I am going to confirm now.
 

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Does the trailblazer use a high pressure hydraulic system or does it use the old style vacuum assist system? My k2500 runs off the steering pump and has huge disk brakes all around. It does creates a different "feel" but man it can stop a house.. Plus the E brake is separate which i think is getting common now a days.
 

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Does the trailblazer use a high pressure hydraulic system or does it use the old style vacuum assist system? My k2500 runs off the steering pump and has huge disk brakes all around. It does creates a different "feel" but man it can stop a house.. Plus the E brake is separate which i think is getting common now a days.

I just checked, and you are correct. It is hydroboost on a 3/4 ton. I do know a lot of guys are "upgrading" their brakes to the EXT version though. Honestly, I always thought the brakes sucked in this thing, but it does stop decent. I just have to replace rotors regularly because they warp easily.
 

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It gives a "squooshy" feel for lack of a better word but if you push hard the force is there. I don't have an automatic so my brakes last forever. I think I got over 80k out of my first set.
 

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It gives a "squooshy" feel for lack of a better word but if you push hard the force is there. I don't have an automatic so my brakes last forever. I think I got over 80k out of my first set.

I only use it for towing now, so they are being "pushed" every time I drive. Plus I am always running through water at ramps and through rain, so I think the cold water on a hot rotor is not helping anything.
 

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If you are going to slap a 6 cylinder anything in a truck and use MPG's as a selling point, it better give me 30% better mileage over the v8 competition before I write a $40,000 check.
Why do you care how many cylinders? Every heavy-duty truck in the US is a 6 with a turbo. Yes diesel, but the point is you couldn't give away a V8 to a trucker. Oddly enough Mercedes uses V6s and V8s in their non-US trucks. Point is you care about power, not cylinders.

Little engine has to work harder so the turbos wind up more sucking in more fuel.
This is false. While the base engine may be crap, turbo'd engines are typically most efficient when the turbo is wound up. Also, smaller displacement is more efficient if all else is equal. All else includes technology, so a junky small engine will not be as efficient as a bigger engine with a bunch of hi tech goodies like . . . uh . . . turbos.

If you base everything purely on power, then I should be towing with a corvette. That engine would not outpull a diesel.
Sure it would. Despite all of the marketing BS, horsepower wins races AND pulls loads. If you got more power, and the tranny to put it in the right power band (hence the 8 speed) then more horsepower will always do more work. This assumes all else is equal like weight.

Absolutes are an interesting thing. There are often exceptions, but things like a V8 is better, or Turbos will cost more money, or nothing pulls like a diesel, are false before the ink dries. I have a 2003 VW GTI with a 1.8 Turbo. It has 135,000 miles on it. Driven by teenagers (boys) and abused. Crap maintenance, missed oil changes, probably has had only two air cleaners replaced. Pulls like a champ, turbo has never been replaced and I can get one for $300.

And yes, all turbo'd engines pull like a diesel. Both are turbocharged and that's why they feel like that, not because one is a diesel. Oh, and Europeans run small turbo'd diesels in most of their cars. I would jump to buy that little 3.0 liter from Dodge. It will rev faster, and behave better than a US version. I am very confident of that. I know more about Cummins than I know about VM Mortori, but the Italians know more about light duty diesels. It will be a winner.
 
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just another thing to add. The engine in the eb was designed for a turbo it was not a bolt on option to a standard motor so things like lower compression ratio and a redesigned cooling system was built in to the design. I would rather see a well designed v6 turbo than a v8 thats shutting down half the engine to save fuel.
 

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I just checked, and you are correct. It is hydroboost on a 3/4 ton. I do know a lot of guys are "upgrading" their brakes to the EXT version though. Honestly, I always thought the brakes sucked in this thing, but it does stop decent. I just have to replace rotors regularly because they warp easily.

All Rainiers with 5.3's, All 9-7x's no matter which engine (because SAAB cut no corners but cost 49k), and the last couple years of short wheel base Trailblazers (SS always had them too) and Envoy's finally got the bigger brakes as well. The side by side tests of Trailblazers with and without the better brakes yielded iirc like 12% better stopping distance in controlled testing. The EXT's don't weigh that much more than the swb's (depending on which brand since they all weigh in differently with the 9-7x as the hog) but the reasoning presumably when a swb has a 5.3 is that they expected you would pay the $1,500 for the optional 5.3 because you need to tow. I picked up rear brakes for my 9-7 last year and they told me they crossed referenced them with the Tahoe. The rotors on the other hand are not the same because the gmt360/370 line of trucks had a unique bolt pattern.
 

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Why do you care how many cylinders? Every heavy-duty truck in the US is a 6 with a turbo. Yes diesel, but the point is you couldn't give away a V8 to a trucker. Oddly enough Mercedes uses V6s and V8s in their non-US trucks. Point is you care about power, not cylinders.


This is false. While the base engine may be crap, turbo'd engines are typically most efficient when the turbo is wound up. Also, smaller displacement is more efficient if all else is equal. All else includes technology, so a junky small engine will not be as efficient as a bigger engine with a bunch of hi tech goodies like . . . uh . . . turbos.


Sure it would. Despite all of the marketing BS, horsepower wins races AND pulls loads. If you got more power, and the tranny to put it in the right power band (hence the 8 speed) then more horsepower will always do more work. This assumes all else is equal like weight.

Absolutes are an interesting thing. There are often exceptions, but things like a V8 is better, or Turbos will cost more money, or nothing pulls like a diesel, are false before the ink dries. I have a 2003 VW GTI with a 1.8 Turbo. It has 135,000 miles on it. Driven by teenagers (boys) and abused. Crap maintenance, missed oil changes, probably has had only two air cleaners replaced. Pulls like a champ, turbo has never been replaced and I can get one for $300.

And yes, all turbo'd engines pull like a diesel. Both are turbocharged and that's why they feel like that, not because one is a diesel. Oh, and Europeans run small turbo'd diesels in most of their cars. I would jump to buy that little 3.0 liter from Dodge. It will rev faster, and behave better than a US version. I am very confident of that. I know more about Cummins than I know about VM Mortori, but the Italians know more about light duty diesels. It will be a winner.

You took the words right out of my mouth! "Diesel," "V6," and "turbo" are just bland descriptors without any context. To pooh pooh an EB just because it has fewer cylinders is totally wrong.
 

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You took the words right out of my mouth! "Diesel," "V6," and "turbo" are just bland descriptors without any context. To pooh pooh an EB just because it has fewer cylinders is totally wrong.

It may just be the designation 'eco' that i cant stand.
 

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I wish someone in the US would build an inline 6 gasoline turbo'd engine. Inline 6's are naturally balanced. If you've ever driven a BMW 6 you know what I am talking about. Smooth as silk. Add the turbo and I'd be all over it for a truck. Funny thing is Ford has an inline 6, turbo in Australia. It has almost equal horsepower with the 5.4 which are both available in a flippin' Falcon. Kind of like a rear drive Taurus, but fast!
 

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I don't think there is any bashing on the ecoboost. I respect the power it produces, no question it makes good numbers. I just don't see the mileage benefit. If the average mileage is 17-18 it doesn't make me want to go out immediately to buy one to save 1-2 mpg.
 

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And I agree with that ^^^ as well. Would need to see real numbers, in a controlled test for me to be convinced one way or the other. But with your qualifiers, I do agree.
 

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I dont think I ever picked on its power output. One thing is for sure, if I was pikcing up a "1/2" ton pickup truck based purely on power, that would be it for sure. I do however have doubts that it could handle 150,000 miles of real truck work such as towning heavy trailers frequently. the durability of the drivetrain matters. Durability of the engine internals matter. It will not outpull a diesel. Im not talking about the crappy old Buick diesel. Im talking about a 12 valve cummins and better.
Horsepower numbers dont do a damn thing for moving the load. Its torque. The Ecoboost 3.5L has plenty of it but its a far cry from being a diesel.
Respectfully QC, you are misguided. My diesel would never win a race against an Ecoboost. However, in a tug of war your precious Ecoboost would loose every time, all else being equal.
 

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Horsepower numbers dont do a damn thing for moving the load. Its torque. The Ecoboost 3.5L has plenty of it but its a far cry from being a diesel.
Please do some research before you claim this. The reason torque matters is because more torque at the same RPM equals more horsepower. Some of this is semantics. But load and speed combined are overcome with horsepower. Please, for the sake of all that is good in the world, trust me on this. If I had the money I could show you how the Vette engine, if it is one with a higher rating than the diesel, would pull a heavily loaded trailer faster. I am not discussing durability. All of these things are different topics, but there are laws of physics in play here. If we have more horsepower, same weight, and properly geared to use that horsepower, we will go faster. Period.

Another way to look at this is 1000 lb/ft torque @ 2000 RPM = 380 horsepower. 2000 lb/ft @ 1000 RPM = 380 horsepower. Which one pulls the load faster at those points if they are the same engine? It's a tie. Please, please trust me on this.
 

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If you want to believe that a V6, even one as powerful as the Ecoboost will outpull a 12v cummins, that is your choice.
 

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I never said that. Never. You said the Vette engine. And I will be clear again. Same weight, geared properly, the engine with the most horsepower pulls the load faster. I don't care if it uses Banana juice as fuel. This is a mathematical fact. I am not posting to argue with you, only for clarity regarding the use of these numbers. They matter. In the interest of this thread, if you want to continue the discussion, please PM me. I would welcome that :)
 

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The original question was does anyone have a eco boost? How does it pull. Answer is they pull great. The engine and tranny work well but the Ford sway control and braking ability are great also.
 

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It's a truck sold near as I can tell based on power and better than everyone else's MPG's. It's a truck so don't sell me on power...it better have it since again it's a truck competing in the truck market...unless it is also sold at a huge discount to everyone else's trucks with all that extra power. That leads me to the MPG's...if the increase in MPG's over the sector competition isn't so fantastic I think it is a flat out lie until I prove otherwise, I don't care. If you go the the trouble of developing this engine, I'm going to need something more than power to take notice.
 

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The really great thing about the newer Ford trucks is the heated tailgate.

:triumphant:
 
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