Towing with an EcoBoost

oldjeep

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You can't believe the low RPM pull it has until you experience it. Yes it will rip the chevy 6 liter and it will run even or beat the ford 6.2. Dodge Hemi wont touch it.

Depends on which hemi you are comparing it to ;) The new 8 speed trans takes care of the slight margin that the ecoboost had and surpasses it in terms of milage.
 

jkust

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Is the Ecoboost in any of the Ford SUV's? I'll just never need the bed of a truck so I'd only ever consider it in an suv.
 

jbetzelb

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I am interested to see how people like the 8 speed. Will it pull good when it shifts 8 times? I wonder if it will skip gears if it is under load. My primary truck is a 5.0 so I am used to a little RPM between shifts. Sounds like chevy is working on 8 speeds also.
 

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Anyone hooked a EB up to a 7,500 and heavier boat? They are supposed to tow 11,500 or something like that, just curious how it handles.

LK
 

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There was an article in motortrend or one of the major car magazines about a year ago that did a test comparing a few different f150 models. They stated the new 5.0 was a better tow engine overall. If I remember correctly the V8 got better mileage while towing which makes since. Little engine has to work harder so the turbos wind up more sucking in more fuel.
I read some forums about the ecoboost that seemed to follow the write up. Basically average mileage wasn't any better than the V8. Highway was good but overall people were stating about 17mpg. does not impress me. not going to make me spend a ton of cash to save 1-2 mpg.
Also, can't imagine what the cost would be to replace one of those turbos when, not if, the go.

Just get a diesel. My Ram 2500 2wd gets 24mpg highway.
I can't see a reason to get a turbo charged V6 over any V8. Seems pointless. Real life mpg's seem to be about the same and sometimes worse. Sure, it pulls well but will it outpull a V8? No. The only reason they make a Turbo charged V6 is so they can say they sell this all powerful V6 truck and in most people's minds, they think they are getting remarkably better mileage than a V8 when in reality they wasted their money and time and just should've gotten a more reliable, less complicated V8 or better yet DIESEL!
 

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Yes DIESEL, just not so big. I always wanted a medium sized diesel say 250hp in a 1/2 ton truck with a standard tranny. A turbo on a diesel is a much different story since diesel fuel is a lubricant and they have a much greater impact for power relative to the gas counterpart. Disadvantage is diesel fuel is like 15% more expense as well as the engines are super expensive options.
Oh Well..... some day i will just build what I want...
 

mnypitboat

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I'd love to hear some real life example pulling heavily constructed boats. My minivan pulls a 17 footer with ease as it should. I see locally they just started running a commercial comparing the Silverado to the Fords pulling a large boat up hill. No stats given other than the actor driving saying the Silverado was struggling at that particular second. I also just read that Chevy has just substantially increased the power (they mentioned HP but not TQ) in their 5.3l v8 for an upcoming model. Of course they claim better mileage than everyone else as well. I've owned supercharged/forced induction vehicles in the past and can attest to the torque increases over the base engine without forced induction. That said I've friends with Eco boost F150's but don't tow and still claim egregious mileage. If you are going to slap a 6 cylinder anything in a truck and use MPG's as a selling point, it better give me 30% better mileage over the v8 competition before I write a $40,000 check. I already expect fantastic towing capabilities as it is a truck.

What the comparison, that I am sure Ford set up, doesnt tell you is that the GM 5.3 is heavily managed. I always thought mine struggled a bit with my newer 5k plus boat, until I finally got it tuned last month. No more struggling at all. So I completely believe the 5.3 in anything will struggle from the factory with certain weights.

That being said, I was pretty impressed with the stats on the Ecoboost. Like others have said though, I would like to see the longevity. Ford certainly needed to do something. My Father's Lincoln MK LT with the 5.4 really struggles with much lighter boats than mine. It tows awesome, but on hills or long tall bridges over the water, and especially entering highways, it really struggles.

In my 05 Trailblazer EXT 5.3 with the 3.73 gears and DOD, I can get upwards of 22mpg on the highway, and 13-14 towing the boat around town. I have heard others saying they get 16-18 on the highway, but not sure they have DOD. So who knows. My wife, on the same trip, couldnt get over 20mpg, and we got there faster when I drove, and no traffic either way.

I am excited to see what is coming out. Competition is the key to inovation, and they are all competing to get our money. Lets wee what they all come up with. Right now the Ecoboost is way out of my price range for a vehicle that will sit in the garage except on boating days.
 

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Being old enough have owned Buick Regal Turbo 3.8 V6 and others along the way there are some advantages to turbo boosting an engine but it does come at a cost. Under boost there is no "sucking" loses as you would have with a non-turbo motor. That one factor can translate to longevity of the engine itself, provided the turbo lasts as long. Before I retired, one of my employees has a boosted Pontiac Bonneville that had nearly 300,000 miles on it at that time. He said he would not hesitate a bit to head out on a cross country trip with it. As was pointed out earlier, turbos used to coke up and shed the turbo bearings unless they were allowed to idle and cool down a bit before shutting off the engine. VW and others have used turbos for years and Europe is overrun with turbo boosted cars with no apparent issues. But if you are unfortunate to have one go south, get a good grip on your wallet. With all the extra plumbing on those vehicles, even minor maintenance can be a labor-intensive effort and Ford is not especially known for "ease of service" on their vehicles. If an engine is beefed up to handle hour after hour of boost pressure without getting EGT too high, oil temps, too high, coolant temps too high, then it should make a good tow vehicle. Time will tell if ECO-BOOST is the way to the future.
 

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Yes DIESEL, just not so big. I always wanted a medium sized diesel say 250hp in a 1/2 ton truck with a standard tranny. A turbo on a diesel is a much different story since diesel fuel is a lubricant and they have a much greater impact for power relative to the gas counterpart. Disadvantage is diesel fuel is like 15% more expense as well as the engines are super expensive options.
Oh Well..... some day i will just build what I want...

Have you seen the new Dodge 1500? Not a standard but it has an 8 speed auto.
RAM 1500 Becomes Industry-First Half-Ton Diesel Pickup | AutoGuide.com News
 
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most of my cars over the last 20 years have been turbos and yes they do fail but there not that expensive. a new one for the f150 eb is about $650 so its cheap compaired to a tranny. If you do lots of real short trips like dropping the kids off at school etc then i surgest that you dont get the turbo as that will kill a turbo quicker than high milage will
 

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I have a 2012 F150 XLT with the Ecoboost and 3.73 rear end. Let me tell you, I LOVE it. My Maxum weighs out nearly 7k loaded up and the truck does not give a damn about the load. I can accelerate uphill and burn rubber from a stoplight. Motor hits peak torque at 2k RPM (compared to 4k+ for the 5.0) and holds it all the way to redline. On the highway I can cruise at 85 and get 18+ MPG. The real sweet spot is around 55; taking a state route and cruising at 55, I get 22 easily, and mine has a heavier towing gear and 4x4. A 3.55 2wd would have no problem breaking 20MPG all the time.

I HIGHLY recommend it to anyone. You really have to drive one.
 

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Is the Ecoboost in any of the Ford SUV's? I'll just never need the bed of a truck so I'd only ever consider it in an suv.

Yes, a 1.6L and a 2.0L I4 in the new feminized Escape.

The 3.5L 6 is available in the top of the line Explorer, STARTING at $40,000.

And the 3.5 6 is available in the Flex.
 

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Interesting. I wonder if it is a good diesel. Doesn't say if it is a cummins. That could be a game changer if it really gets 30mpg.
I just read the Chrysler press release and there was no mention of Cummins in it.
Just sayin'.
 

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I just don't believe a turbo is necessary. There really isn't a perfect engine design since the whole problem is the weight and aerodynamics of a truck. If the companies would learn and go back a little and lighten up the trucks and stop making them so tall we would be better off.. Man i am 6'1" and can barely reach into the bed of my truck. There is no need for an f150 to be able to tow 10k or whatever it can do just to go the grocery store. (man I sound like an old crotchety man)


I guess I'm becoming a crotchety old man too cause I agree with ya! I was in a used car lot a week ago and saw a really nicely restored '72 Chevy C20 and the first thing I realized was I could reach over into the bed from the side, and I'm 6'! I totally forgot there was a time you could do this with a pickup.

I am definitely in the "crotchety old man" crowd...or I have just become my father! I hate working on any automobile newer than 20 years old, which makes me laugh because my dad used to say the same thing back in the eighties. I have the truck the above posters pine for. My "old man" dually looks like a "low rider" by today's ridiculous ride height standards, yet it is completely stock. I can easily reach over the bed sides and nearly flat-palm the floor. I can use a straight drawbar in the hitch to pull a level trailer. I routinely get 20 mpg on the highway unloaded with a non-turbo diesel. The best part is, it's paid for. I will never, EVER understand how a person can rationalize the payments on a $40,000 vehicle, to "save" money by getting a 3-4 mpg advantage.
 

oldjeep

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I just read the Chrysler press release and there was no mention of Cummins in it.
Just sayin'.

The 2014 Dodge Ram 1500 EcoDiesel will be offered with a 3.0-liter V-6 produced by VM Motori—a manufacturer who Chrysler is quick to add has been producing engines for the automotive group since 1992. No doubt this is being said in anticipation of critisism from diesel enthusiasts who are likely to complain about a non-Cummins, Italian-made engine being fitted to a Dodge Ram
 

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I am definitely in the "crotchety old man" crowd...or I have just become my father! I hate working on any automobile newer than 20 years old, which makes me laugh because my dad used to say the same thing back in the eighties. I have the truck the above posters pine for. My "old man" dually looks like a "low rider" by today's ridiculous ride height standards, yet it is completely stock. I can easily reach over the bed sides and nearly flat-palm the floor. I can use a straight drawbar in the hitch to pull a level trailer. I routinely get 20 mpg on the highway unloaded with a non-turbo diesel. The best part is, it's paid for. I will never, EVER understand how a person can rationalize the payments on a $40,000 vehicle, to "save" money by getting a 3-4 mpg advantage.

I'm with you there. I paid cash for my 97 Ram 2500 cummins. Just can't justify a car payment.
 

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A lot of talk about pulling
most 1/2 ton trucks will pull 10,000 lbs but
Will it stop it
I went for a F-250 super duty just for that reason
I want to know that I can stop what is behind me if the brakes fail on the trailer
or I lose a wheel
or just someone pulls in front of me
the F-250 gets 19mpg on hwy at 2000 RPMs
pulling my boat (about 9000lbs) I get 14mpg

Now getting back to the OP I would not only worry about the truck I get to pull my boat but also to stop my boat

Harry
 

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Being old enough have owned Buick Regal Turbo 3.8 V6 and others along the way there are some advantages to turbo boosting an engine but it does come at a cost. Under boost there is no "sucking" loses as you would have with a non-turbo motor. That one factor can translate to longevity of the engine itself, provided the turbo lasts as long. Before I retired, one of my employees has a boosted Pontiac Bonneville that had nearly 300,000 miles on it at that time. He said he would not hesitate a bit to head out on a cross country trip with it. As was pointed out earlier, turbos used to coke up and shed the turbo bearings unless they were allowed to idle and cool down a bit before shutting off the engine. VW and others have used turbos for years and Europe is overrun with turbo boosted cars with no apparent issues. But if you are unfortunate to have one go south, get a good grip on your wallet. With all the extra plumbing on those vehicles, even minor maintenance can be a labor-intensive effort and Ford is not especially known for "ease of service" on their vehicles. If an engine is beefed up to handle hour after hour of boost pressure without getting EGT too high, oil temps, too high, coolant temps too high, then it should make a good tow vehicle. Time will tell if ECO-BOOST is the way to the future.

Are you talking about the supercharged series 1 and series 2 GM 3.8liter engine? Those were bulletproof and at least the series 2 version supercharger only needed a small tune up which consisted of new oil, and a sacrificial part that needed replacing when it was spent. Don't recall the specifics but it was diy. I actually had one of the Series 2 Bonnevilles that I sold at 99,000 miles to a guy who drove 8 hours to get it because he had the same car but with 300,000+ miles on it and to him 100k miles was still like new. Supercharger though is not a turbo charger of course.
 

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Are you talking about the supercharged series 1 and series 2 GM 3.8liter engine? Those were bulletproof and at least the series 2 version supercharger only needed a small tune up which consisted of new oil, and a sacrificial part that needed replacing when it was spent. Don't recall the specifics but it was diy. I actually had one of the Series 2 Bonnevilles that I sold at 99,000 miles to a guy who drove 8 hours to get it because he had the same car but with 300,000+ miles on it and to him 100k miles was still like new. Supercharger though is not a turbo charger of course.

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the turbo Buick's from late 1970's-80's with the 3.8 Turbo. They were one of the fastest cars around then :).
 
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