Towing with an EcoBoost

[JaseBosto]

Re: Towing with an EcoBoost

It's a truck sold near as I can tell based on power and better than everyone else's MPG's. It's a truck so don't sell me on power...it better have it since again it's a truck competing in the truck market...unless it is also sold at a huge discount to everyone else's trucks with all that extra power. That leads me to the MPG's...if the increase in MPG's over the sector competition isn't so fantastic I think it is a flat out lie until I prove otherwise, I don't care. If you go the the trouble of developing this engine, I'm going to need something more than power to take notice.

You make a good point. Peak power isnt everything. I believe that 6 cylinders pushing out the power that 8 usually do is an engine having to work harder to put out similar power. That being said, its still impressive technology but, it will not outpull a diesel. I don't care what way someone twists around the words, nothing gets low end torque like a diesel period.

 

[OllieC]

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Again...The Ecoboost is an "Option" in the F-150 line up. The Ecoboost is a "$1059.00" option. Not a $40K option.

Please find me an 8 banger 1/2 ton 4x4 that has 365hp and 420ft lbs of torque that can get 17 to 21 in normal driving scenarios, all while having the ability to tow up to 11K lbs with a 4.10 rear end. Good luck....

I purchased mine because I am a weekend warrior with the boat. I don't tow everyday. I liked the power/mileage for everyday. Nothing else could touch it except for an under powered, oil burning, (my boss has that issue with his 11' Suburban) 5.3 1500 as far as mileage.

edit: I'm trying not to get in a flame war. If you're not into Fords that's cool. I did a ton of research on mine before my purchase a year ago and couldn't argue with the numbers I stated above. I was comparing Chevy, Dodge and Ford 1/2tons only.

 

[JaseBosto]

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I simply state, it will not out pull a diesel. In term of straight up pulling power the numbers are clear, it has more grunt than any other v6 or v8 gasser.

 

[JaseBosto]

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Also, its amazing what is considered underpowered these days, in the US. I remember my 86 chevy had 160 horsepower and it did well pulling the boat. Now people consider 300 horsepower underpowered.....:lol:

 

[OllieC]

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Also, its amazing what is considered underpowered these days, in the US. I remember my 86 chevy had 160 horsepower and it did well pulling the boat. Now people consider 300 horsepower underpowered.....:lol:

When I said underpowered, I should have clarified that the Eco had more power with the same mileage results.

 

[jkust]

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Also, its amazing what is considered underpowered these days, in the US. I remember my 86 chevy had 160 horsepower and it did well pulling the boat. Now people consider 300 horsepower underpowered.....:lol:

Sure, it's all relative. My minivan with a whopping 180hp can pull my 4000lb boat/trailer what I considered good...until I hooked it up to a body on frame suv with 303 hp and 330tq (a low power v8 by today's standards even though it's still in new Silverados). Suddenly, my paradigm forever changed. Probably have another shift if I hooked it up to something better.

 

[Tail_Gunner]

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Ecoboost is just a word to describe direct injection and turbocharging.With that said Ford has done a incredible job implementing the tech with new metallurgy resulting a engine that really stands out in its field. It is easy to say they have reshaped the way we all are going to look at engine's. Some have said a gasser will not compete with a diesel that is no longer true, soon Ford will release the 5.0 in a ecoboost version think 5x5 500hp and 500lbs feet or tourqe just off idle..then there's the Ti-VCT....pulling it hard to 6000 rpm. As of now the tech is not being used to its full potential the 3.5 can produce 500 hp with the proper nozzels. Imagine if you will the 6.2 in ecoboost..a 6x6 maybe.

This is good new for us all. GM will not sit on its hand's and watch this all happen soon they will respond and the game begin's. Gotta luv capitalism....:clap2:

 

[Quit It]

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I'm waiting for the SAE J-2807 testing standards. I have a feeling that GM & Toyota won't be the only manufacturers to have to substantially lower their ratings on their trucks (one Tundra dropped 1K and one Silverado 2500 dropped 4,800!).

 

[JaseBosto]

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Even those standards are somewhat inaccurate. It seemed to be all about engine power. Nothing about braking. Nothing about having a vehicle that weighs a certain percentage of the load. Not going to tow 18000lbs with a truck that weighs 7000lbs. There is a good comment about the towing ratings from someone. he said the ratings are more of a suggestion. If you actually tried to tow 24500 with the F450(for example), the rear end would be overloaded and if you ever got into an accident, insurance would deny your claim. The ratings of these trucks these days are exhaggerated.

 

[Tail_Gunner]

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Even those standards are somewhat inaccurate. It seemed to be all about engine power. Nothing about braking. Nothing about having a vehicle that weighs a certain percentage of the load. Not going to tow 18000lbs with a truck that weighs 7000lbs. There is a good comment about the towing ratings from someone. he said the ratings are more of a suggestion. If you actually tried to tow 24500 with the F450(for example), the rear end would be overloaded and if you ever got into an accident, insurance would deny your claim. The ratings of these trucks these days are exhaggerated.

Very well spoken, however there is a silver lining today's 1/2 ton pickup's are a marvel....a far cry from what was avaible even 5 years ago.

 

[Quit It]

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Very well spoken, however there is a silver lining today's 1/2 ton pickup's are a marvel....a far cry from what was avaible even 5 years ago.

Actually, they're not rated that different than 5 years ago. The 07 1500 with the 6L could be rated at 9,900. A similar 13 1500 with the 6.2L is now 10,500, dropped from 10,700 (2012) in anticipation of the SAE towing tests. A lot of it is marketing and I'd be willing to bet that they'll drop the it even further if/when the SAE testing starts.

Oh, braking is part of the new SAE testing too.

 

[Tail_Gunner]

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Actually, they're not rated that different than 5 years ago. The 07 1500 with the 6L could be rated at 9,900. A similar 13 1500 with the 6.2L is now 10,500, dropped from 10,700 (2012) in anticipation of the SAE towing tests. A lot of it is marketing and I'd be willing to bet that they'll drop the it even further if/when the SAE testing starts.

Oh, braking is part of the new SAE testing too.

I am not speaking to test methods but the performance and quality along with price. Today's 1/2 tons are by far superior...now if you bench or test them in another fashion they will still be by far superior. I agree they have pushed the 1/2 ratings way to much but the result is again a by far better truck.....Hmm should I say that again...:lol:

 

[crabby captain john]

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Ford has a partnership with the Disabled American Veterans with great prices-- no negotiation unless on a trade in. Took a ride in a 2012 F 150. Really liked the torque at low end. Left the dealership and paid more for a Dodge with a Hemi. My boat and trailer with 'stuff' runs just over 8K#. No problem! I towed 4 horses and trailer from FL to NC estimated total weight between 11K & 12K,,, no problem. My 08 Hemi had over 130K miles in about 3 1/2 years when traded in on the '12 with no problems. There is a lot to say about a proven drive train,,, in 4 or 5 years I'll think again about the Ford eco...

 

[Quit It]

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I am not speaking to test methods but the performance and quality along with price. Today's 1/2 tons are by far superior...now if you bench or test them in another fashion they will still be by far superior. I agree they have pushed the 1/2 ratings way to much but the result is again a by far better truck.....Hmm should I say that again...:lol:

Test methods are the only way to "keep them honest".

What are you basing "far superior" on? Were the manufacturers lying then or are they lying now? Ok, not lying but overstating capacities. Obviously BM overstated capacities when they dropped one 2500 setup by 4,900 pounds.

How can it be a far better truck when "they have pushed the 1/2 ratings way too much"?

 

[JaseBosto]

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I would say the trucks are a better design than they used to be. Comparing my old 86 chevy to a new one speaks for itself. They are over rated though.

 

[agallant80]

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Just to follow up.with the facts

Same trip 150 miles each total miles 300

2012 silverado 1500 gas 5.3 LTZ
$210 in towing fuel

2013 silverado 2500 6.6 Duranax LS
$120 in.fuel

2500 diesel was way better in fuel and control.

My $.02
Can a 1500 pull 10,000lbs? Sure will it do it well? No
I don't feel like.I am a hazard on the.road pulling my boat now. I test drove an ecoboost don't care what.the numbers are. A 1500 gas will never live up to a 2500 diesel. Will never go back.

 

[QC]

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I test drove an ecoboost don't care what.the numbers are. A 1500 gas will never live up to a 2500 diesel. Will never go back.

Then why'd you ask? Not trying to pick a fight, but seems a little troll like . . . :noidea:

I don't think anyone believes that a 1500 anything will do the job of a 2500 anything. Also seems a little odd. They aren't the same thing

 

[agallant80]

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I asked before I test drove the trucks. A few days (or the next) after I started the post I decided that because I heard a few nice things on the thread I started that I would go check one out. I test drove it. The ford dealer was offering $12,000 off of F250 Lariot. I test drove one of those and fell in love the only issue was that they were trying to make up for the 12K discount by giving me nothing for my trade. I spent all day at the ford dealer. I drove the ecoboost again and it just was not anyting I was interested any more. I called the guy who sold me my 1500 Silverado, drove to the other side of town, told him what I wanted for a truck told him what I wanted for a trade. We did a bit of back and forth and I was the owner of a 2013 Silverado 2500 Duramax 6.6 shortly after.

I will give it to GM they will do almost what ever they can to keep a customer. The F250 was really nice the dealer just did not want to play ball. They tried to put me in an XLT Ecoboost for the more payment than I got my 2500 Silverado for.

 

[QC]

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Got it. 400 horsepower was considered too much for a Class 8 fleet engine 25 years ago. Funny how expectations change. Cool

 

[bruceb58]

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They tried to put me in an XLT Ecoboost for the more payment than I got my 2500 Silverado for.

Same length of loan?