Here I go again!! 1995 Sea Ray 220 Signature Deck and Stringer Restoration SPLASHED!

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Jay,

Here is a link to a new thread that has a picture of a pretty stout looking wooden gantry in it. The weather looks like it is getting cold up there. We are looking at the high 20's Tuesday night so I am sure you will be close to the teens. Stay warm and post up all the pics you feel compelled to. I am sure they will come in handy. Thanks, Steven

http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=455426


YES!!!! It is freaking COLD here!!!! We got about 5 inches of snow on Sunday and I spent all day driving back and forth to the storage place when the Glastron is to brush the snow off the cover. It sucked. The high today was 29, so you can imagine I have not done a whole lot.

Here I am dressed like a ninja after building a little fort.

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WAR!!!!!!

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You build that high enough Jay, you can store you new boat in there. I can't believe the amount of snow you have down there. Actually you have more snow than we do, at least right now.
 

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I hear you on the cold, its 12 right now....its really weird that we don't have any snow and you have 5"! Its usually the other way around! Looks like the upcoming weekend will be a little warmer, hopefully it will be down there to.
 

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Just saw this Jay, sorry about your purchase but I think that will be an awesome boat. Composite one in the HEB area had poly for $80-90 for 5 gallons and cheap glass, but a min. $125 purchase. I really think you can knock this out pretty quickly, heck you have already done a transom! The hardest part I can see you will have is the finish work. Good luck! I almost forgot, I didn't read or see it but did you sell the Glastron? If not then no worries and take your time.
 

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Thanks alot for the referral. I thought I called them last year and they did not sell to the public. I will try again.
 

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Crazy how much snow and cold the south is getting...

I hope it warms up soon for you brutha!
 

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Wonder if you could buy it through your company? I have done that with a few things before, amazing how many doors a company check or CC can open sometimes!
 

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Wonder if you could buy it through your company? I have done that with a few things before, amazing how many doors a company check or CC can open sometimes!


Ding ding ding... we have a winner. You have to buy in bulk, but guess what... I need ALOT!
 

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I wanted to drop in and give you guys a little update. This past week and weekend were pretty much shot due to the weather and work. I got a little work done yesterday and I have a little good news. I do no think I will have to take all of the deck out. Only 3/4. The very front of the bow (where it is hardest to get to) can stay. I still have to take out the bow seat bases, but that is not bad. This weekend I should be able to get some really demo work done, and maybe get the engine out. We shall see.

Also I have been talking to my local west marine ans they now sell poly in 5 gallon pails, and they got the price really close to what I can get it online. I will save on shipping cost, but have to pay tax. It all works out, and I can get it quicker. They are also looking into rolls of glass for me. I have spent so much money with them I feel like Norm on Cheers. I walk in the door and they all know me. They really hook me up on pricing.
 

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That's good news. The forward curve can be tuff. If it's the shop in Lewisville, the younger, dark haired fellow knows his stuff. Not to knock the others, but he does this kind of work for sailing clubs on the side. He's saved me more than once from traveling down the wrong path, because he's used what they sell. I bought the majority of my resin there also. I've hit specials that have paid back pretty darn well. Like, spend $300 and get so $50 back. Makes up for shipping and tax usually. No doubt you can get it cheaper elsewhere, but at least they have good stuff and they're local. But their glass prices borders on insane. Would not buy biax there.

Not sure what's available in East DFW, but Fort Worth Plywood company has great marine fur ply. No knots, smooth finishes and it doesn't warp when you cut it. May be overkill, but it's nice to work with.
 

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My advise to you at this point before pouring more money into it is to check the transom for rot and do a compression check on the Motor, plus drain the LU Oil and check for metal shavings or water.
Your findings clearly shows the symptoms of a neglectful owner, do NOT trust unless you verify at this point.
If it is when you remove the engine it will be another monster project replacing the transom.
I done a complete restore of my Boat trust me I know the a thing or two about surprises. No doubt when you are finished you will enjoy the fruits of your hard labor.
You have a deadline and weather not cooperating is not good for moral. Hopefully you can get an extension on the deadline :)
I was watching your video, to undertake a project like this by circumstances beyond your control like this not a good thing. You mentioned the fact you were NOT looking for a project.
I wish you were close by I would have been happy to assist in any way if I can.
Be very careful with the exposure to fumes working in an enclose area, epoxy or polyester they are all very dangerous period.
You may want to see if this Boat was an insurance loss or sank, hence the water logged foam and deterioration, pay attention to those electronics they may be telling you something you don't know.
My blessings and good luck to you.
 

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I think I addressed the compression and the outdrive in a previous post or video. They both check out. I am prepared to do the transom if I have to.

I got alot of work done this weekend, and I think I found the end of the rot. It stops just before the bow section, and I think i will be able to make scarf jonts and replace from there back. I took of the outdrive yesterday, and got another little surprise when I took the prop off. At some point the prop struck something and twisted the shaft. Now I did not feel any vibration during the lake test all all, and I made a little jog the would sense any play with a dial indicator. According to that little jig the shaft is still straight. It is just twisted a little. Worst case I will have to buy a new lower from SEI for a grand. I will post some video and pictures later.
 

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Jay, glad to hear you are making progress, sorry to hear about your latest find. Looking forward to seeing your pics.
 

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Hey, if the prop will come off and the shaft is straight (no vibrations), I'd just run it and keep an eye out for a good used shaft.

Even though both stink, the weather has been good for demo work, eh? How's the hand healing?
 

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Thanks clock, that hand has healed up nice. After doing lots of research and thinking, I do believe I have a plan for glassing the stringers in. Let me know what you think.

I am using poly for all my layups.

1. All the wood will get a light layer if 6oz and resin for water proofing since resin alone is not penetrate well, and is brittle. It will eventually crack and let water in.
2. I will tab in the stingers with one or two layers of CSM and then follow with two layers if 1708 in two different widths.
3. I will then cap the stringers with 1708 in two different widths.

Is this enough?

When you cap stringers, do you need to take them all the way to the hull? Some of my stringers will be about 18" tall.

Also the stringers that are in there are maybe 1/2" thick. I was thinking of using two 3/8" ply glued together to get this thickness. Should I go thicker?

The stock stringers have 2X2 on them to support the deck. I was thinking of gluing those on after the stringers are capped due to the complexity of the turn for the glass. What do you guys think?

Anyway, here is the video from the weekend.

 

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Hey jay, Not real sure if you would be interested, but i found a company that sells composit stringers that are lighter and just as strong as the wood ones. The web site is www.preforms.com. I am getting ready to redo my boat and i am seriously considering there stringers. Your thread and videos have really been helpful to me! thanks and keep up the good work! O ya! They also have a video that covers y they put all that gook between the hull and stringer
 

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Those preforms look like they could save a whole heck of a lot of time if you can get the right sizes. I think Cigarette uses those now.

Jay,

I see you have a hard working helper there with you in the back gorund. Atta boy.

I may be wrong, but the red line in the snapshot below looks like the bottom of your stringer. It doesn?t look like you have much more to go to remove it all. The floor could help hold the stringer in place when you set it.

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Etching out the stringer is where your small vibrating saw with shine. Just cut through the glass and don?t worry about the wood. Try to remove as much as possible in one piece to use as a template and try to cut right where it bonds to the hull. That will save you on some grinding dust too. I probably went through 6 half circle blades. When the blade gets hot and starts to discolor, rotate the saw or take a break and let it cool down. The blades will last longer. I was amazed at how quick it would zip through the glass once the planets aligned. I don?t know if the resin was melting or the harmonics were just right, but mine would cut through it like a cheese cutter when things synced up. It didn't work too good on wood though. It wanted to burn it rather than cut.

Your layup will surely be plenty strong (2xCSM & 2x1708). You may have trouble laying that 1708 down in the corners though. 12 oz tape (no CSM) makes the turns easier. You?ve worked with the 1708 before on your transom, you know. It lays down nicely on flats, but it can be tricky to get it to turn much without raising up and getting an air bubbles. You may want to try it on some scrap first. Router the top corner edges of your stringers. You could probably cap them in your garage, then put them in. It you tab them in well enough, I don't think they have to go all the way to the hull.

2 layers of 3/8 is what I used to get the 10? length that I needed. If I didn?t need 10? stringers, I would have probably just used .5? ply. It was hard for me to get a good, void free bond between the 2 long ply layers without some sort of big press. The plys would shift and my edges would become unaligned and I didn't have a ton of cinder blocks laying around.

I glued 1x3 cleats onto the vertical edges of my stringers and frames to increase the bonding surfaces to the floor (sole/deck whatever people want to call it). The tops of my stringers were rounded so I filled up the edge voids between the cleats and stringer with glue, set the floor ply down. All should be sealed up air tight.

Not sure about the Bravo drive, but the Alpha can leak water past the shift linkage into the bellows area. You Bravo looks completely different though.

Weather should be good this week/weekend. The job will look a lot smaller once you get that motor and fuel tank out.

Good luck,
JH
 
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Hey jay, Not real sure if you would be interested, but i found a company that sells composit stringers that are lighter and just as strong as the wood ones. The web site is www.preforms.com. I am getting ready to redo my boat and i am seriously considering there stringers.

I have seen those preforms before being installed. They use them in larger boats to save time installing the hull structure. Another thing to note is that you have to use epoxy resin only with those. No poly resin.
 

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I have seen those preforms before being installed. They use them in larger boats to save time installing the hull structure. Another thing to note is that you have to use epoxy resin only with those. No poly resin.

My boat is a 21ft open bow. My question is will they b good for my application or should i just use same as factory. Not tryin to hi-jack this post, sorry guys!
 

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Thanks for all the great info Clock!! I am going with just the wood back in my boat and seal it up good, and that should get me down the road for the ten years I need it to. I hope to get the engine out this weekend, as it is supposed to be just perfect weather.

I thought the 1708 was supposed to g around the corners better. I am going to use poly, and you need to have mat in between the cloth layers. That is why I thought 1708 would work.
 
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