Disgraceful activity. update!

rolmops

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Dogsdad.<br />It was in 1931 that the German Reichstag was made useless by the Nazi representatives.Although they were only 1/3 of the reichstag,they just kept on shouting everybody else off the podium.The nazis were/are extremely rightwing fundamentalist fanatics<br />In Russia,the communists used naval cannons to change reality.Bush hired his own army of lawyers for the very same purpose that Kerry hired his lawyers for.
 

POINTER94

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rolmops,<br /><br />Gore filed suit not Bush. Bush was forced to hire lawyers to answer to the charges and secure the integrity of the process. Kerry is hiring lawyers in advance to again muddy the waters without so much as knowing if there are any infractions. Does this mean that democrats are the party of optimists?<br /><br />Which party do you think will benefit from more illegal votes?
 

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Dont bother to correct them pointer....there not concerned with truth or fact..same as cbs,nbc,mnbc, ap, globe and on and on.
 

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Originally posted by rolmops:<br /> Dogsdad.<br />It was in 1931 that the German Reichstag was made useless by the Nazi representatives.Although they were only 1/3 of the reichstag,they just kept on shouting everybody else off the podium.The nazis were/are extremely rightwing fundamentalist fanatics<br />In Russia,the communists used naval cannons to change reality.Bush hired his own army of lawyers for the very same purpose that Kerry hired his lawyers for.
One word for ya, rolmops...."KRYSTALNACHT"! (or Night of the broken glass, November 9th, 1938).<br />And your minions call US "Nazis"!!! Get a grip on yer lunatic-fringe before they bury you.
 

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Yeah, It seems to me that a LOT of people on here doesn't bother with the truth.
 

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12footer,That one word has a deeper meaning for me than for most.It was also done by the same Nazis.<br />If you read the second message on this thread,you will see that we agree on this one. Your rightwing views are a world apart from theirs.<br />Pointer,both candidates have hired lawyers for the same purpose for this upcoming election.
 

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Originally posted by RetNav:<br /> Yeah, It seems to me that a LOT of people on here doesn't bother with the truth.
and thats the truth!
 

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And it's truely disgraceful, whatever you want to call it.<br />That's what I meant, rolmops. The same mentality back then, is alive and well in Knoxville and other cities. If it continues, it will bury the liberal party by association. Terror tactics worked in Germany back then, but not many places since. It is seen for what it is, and in some cases, has the exact opposite of the desired effect on those it is executed-upon.<br />If liberals cannot win in the court of issues and ideas, they surely will fail with strongarm tactics as dated as the Watts riots.<br />EDIT: I just re-read your initial post as you requested,rolmops, and I totally agree. It's the same type of lunatic fringe of society that perp'd 11/09/38, only the core politics were reversed. Us right-wingers STILL get called "hittler" and "MAZIS", and we "walk lock-step with our leader" and all that rot... I'm just making the point that this is not only unacceptable behavior, but the resultant cival war could destroy this country in these times of more-global conflicts, no longer seperated by ocean barriers---and they hate libs as much as us. They do not descriminate.<br />In short, this distraction is as dangerous underneath as it is upon the face of it.
 

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Originally posted by rolmops:<br /> Dogsdad.<br />It was in 1931 that the German Reichstag was made useless by the Nazi representatives.Although they were only 1/3 of the reichstag,they just kept on shouting everybody else off the podium.The nazis were/are extremely rightwing fundamentalist fanatics<br />In Russia,the communists used naval cannons to change reality.Bush hired his own army of lawyers for the very same purpose that Kerry hired his lawyers for.
Read your history, rolmops. It happened as I said. And, while we're at it...the Nazis were the National Socialist Party. The so-called liberals in this country, while not exactly ideologically aligned with the Nazis, are more like them in their tactics. The liberals are the ones who have attempted to hijack this country over the last 50 years and take it where the majority do not want to go. And their aims, methods, and motives are more transparent now than ever.<br /><br />Oh, and for a good history of modern Russia, read a book called The Russians, by Hedrick Smith.<br /><br />And I am sure you realize that Bush would be a fool not to anticipate another attempt by the democrats to steal an election as they attempted to do in Florida. What Gore staged in 2000 was planned and orchestrated by the DNC, pure and simple.<br /><br /><br />-dd-
 

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I don't get the logic: The DNC is a bunch of crooks and scumbags, so therefore the RNC is made up of pure-hearted patriots who always do the right thing, and never break the rules...<br /><br />ho-hum...
 

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That's pretty much it Woodrat. Really. There are fundamental differences between us. We value integrity, and Dems value winning above all, regardless of what you have to do or say, regardless of what position that you have to adopt to get there.
 

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I agree woodrat, that if they had nothing better to do - than they should enlist. But have they invoked a swastika or fired off rounds into election headquarters? In Madison that is how the DNC and the university types portray Republicans. Been there, got the T-shirt. What do you suppose the intent of shooting off rounds into an election headquarters might be? INTIMIDATION???? But how can that be? The DNC has such high moral ideals, and is and always has been the party of inclusion and tolerance. (civil rights act, civil war, tax policies embracing class warfare, killing the unborn, Etc.) And the use of guns, my god, we shouldn’t even have the right to own them. Those who attacked the offices in TAMPA, AND MIAMI, AND ORLAND, AND WEST ALLIS, identified themselves as union employees who publicly support Kerry/Edwards. Unions never want to squelch free speech. Right???<br /><br />On the other hand, they could be real patriotic Americans, and go and negotiate with the enemy. Hang out with the French and meet rich widows. At the same time they could undermine the diplomatic policies of the administration and the country as a whole. Perhaps they could enhance the torture that our prisoners are receiving by misrepresenting fantasy for fact. They could throw any High School awards they have in the river in symbolic rage at an unjust conflict. They could march through the streets with “Saddam for President” signs. They could then make up stories of their 90 days in country and how they managed to be injured to the point of being discharged from duty, but nary a missed day or can produce a permanent scar. HERO’S!!!!!<br /><br />Btw, did the boy’s identify themselves as members of the RNC or supporters of Bush?
 

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Wow. I don't even know what to say to that. I think that's pretty willfully blind and not very realistic to say that the republican party is about "integrity". And let me remind everyone that I am NOT a Democrat or a Kerry supporter, as I so painfully established here at Dockside Chat some weeks back.<br /><br />I think if the Repubs were about integrity, we would, for example, have clear and transparent insight into **** Cheney's energy policy meetings and the possible links with enron and the like, and there certainly would have been no need for all the BS rationalizations about the Iraq war. They would have just laid it out plain and simple:<br /><br />"Iraq has a lot of oil that we need to maintain our lifestyle up until the last possible drop, and saddam has gone and cut deals with the russians, the french and the chinese for when the sanctions are lifted, and priced the oil in euros instead of US dollars. We simply cannot abide this sort of thing, especially after all the years of pandering to saddam and all the support we have given him ( for example in his war with Iran). He betrayed us, and that's why we need to take him out and replace him with someone who will deal with US instead of all those other countries and deal in US dollars to boot. It will be a long, bloody and extremely costly conflict, but, given the potential instability of the Saudi regime, the diminshing supply of oil in the world coupled with the ever increasing demand, we really have no other choice if we want to stay on top and retain the lifestyle we've become accustomed to. Buckle up, it will be a bumpy ride!"<br /><br />If any of the republicans had ever said anything like this in public, THAT would have been integrity. Because it's a lot closer to the truth about the situation than ANYTHING that has been offered up so far. <br /><br />As far as the draft goes, integrity would demand being up front about that, too. These guys have many more wars in the planning stages and it is folly to think that that will be possible with an all-volunteer military. Its been said that the military brass don't want a draft; well, a lot of them didn't want this iraq war either, especially not this version of it.<br /><br />And that is just the tip of the iceberg. I think George and the gang have been dishing out lies and BS since day one, about almost everything, so I just don't get the "integrity" thing. I'm pretty much with you on your analysis of the Democrats though.
 

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I think our soldier's disgraceful behavior at Abu Ghraib probably has done plenty to "enhance" any torture our POWs might receive in iraq. <br /><br />And that disgraceful behavior was pretty much condoned and encouraged by this administration saying that Geneva conventions don't apply to certain of our enemies. Well guess what guys? The geneva conventions and those standards of conduct are as much for OUR guys as the enemy. Duh!<br /><br />Oh and yes, the lame dunces with nothing better to do than vandalize campaign signs DID indeed identify themselves as W supporters. All I'm trying to point out there is that disgraceful behavior is not limited to supporters of Kerry, although you would think that anyone with a little common sense and some experience in the world would already know that.<br /><br />Gee its great to be back!
 

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con't..<br /><br />Just think, the laws limiting our personal freedom are so great that most lawyers have no ability to know them all, or half, or one tenth, or one one-thousandth. This is a “Free” country? And more are on the way, and some of us celebrate this. Not I. According to the records released by Kerry and Terri they only paid 12.8% Federal income tax. Not bad for a declared income of 6.8million dollars. How many catsup plants are left here in the US while he demonizes other corporations for doing exactly what he and his wife are doing? When was the last time a group of Republicans shouted down a liberal speaker? Berkeley won’t even book a conservative speaker anymore. Why, the guardians of free speech shout them down before they even start. Institute of higher learning, as long as it is their kind of pre-subscribed learning. Today’s bomb throwers are the liberals and they are sending us running to a communistic form of government as fast as they can. Do conservatives steal yard signs, yes, but can you equate a couple of kids taking yard signs to others taking over other peoples election office, and burning swastika’s into lawns with chemicals or shooting into the offices with weapons. Stealing signs is stupid, shooting and using universal signs of hate is disgraceful. Apples and apples.<br /><br />I pray if I am taken prisoneer that my torture every day is to wear womens underwear on my head. I encourage humilitiation of prisoners, but by the simple act of mincing words we now call humiliation, torture. COOL! But it works here too, hell up until the last debate democrats claimed I was Rich!!! JFK turned me back into middle class, but I still can't afford a new car. But I have JFK's promise not to raise my taxes. (He will just call it a sur-charge :D )<br /><br /><br />
Posted by woodrat: BTW, those of us who dared vote for Ralph the last time around already know what vicious little weasels the partisan democrats can be.
OH, well OK, never mind.... :) <br />There is an intellectual honesty to Ralph Nader. Ross Perot as well....
 

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I am still waiting for the Bush twins to enlist. In anything other than their dads reelection. How many on this board have anyone they know over in IraQ? <br /> I know of one. A sweet woman who has been trying to do it on her own. A friend of my daughters who is several years older. She works and saves money so she can go back to school for a few quarters. She joined the Natl. Guard(Now Dubya's international guard) so she could get extra money to go to college. <br /> You guessed it her unit was activated. On home on leave we had her up at the cabin to do a little fishing. She also had plans to head farther North so we did what we could.<br /> She is now in Kuwait. She will be ferried in on a convoy(sitting on sandbags in her humvee) as only the officer's and other bigshots get the aromored vehicles. When was the last time you heard of an officer getting it?<br /> I would pray for her but I would pray that the people in charge would get a clue. Will that happen? I doubt it. One needs faith. I have no faith in Bush. I am affraid the next election will have another minority President. Faith will not always win out. All I could tell Rhiannon is to have faith. Guess I am a hipocrite too!
 

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BTW Pointer94, I saw some pictures from abu ghraib that went well beyond a pair of panties over the head. How about getting your face split open by a soldier's fist and then having the same soldier stitch it up for you sans anaesthetic? How about getting bitten by dogs and then stitched up the same way? These are things that I saw pictures of, and even the repubs admitted that there were many, many photos including MUCH worse than what we saw. Including rape and murder.<br /><br />Do you encourage the humiliation of American prisoners as well, or just the Iraqi ones? I remember the hue and cry at the beginning of the war when some american POWs were shown on arab TV being interviewed by their captors as to where they were from and so forth, and this administration and its supporters had a FIT that these soldiers weren't being treated humanely under the geneva conventions.
 

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telmanmn, I know quit a few over there right now. I also have a son who turns 18 in a couple of weeks. I have another son who turns 16 in a couple of weeks. The 16 year old is in JRROTC, right now in high school. The 18 year old will probably not enlist. He is way to short, almost to the point of being a disability. He has talked about going into cryptograph work in the Army. He is exceptionally smart and would do well in that. However, he has not even made up his mind about a colledge yet. So we will have to wait and see what he does next year after he graduates. BTW, I have two more boys after those who are going on 13 and 11 in a few months. It is a rough time for us all right now, but it is apart of being an adult. And my boys know this.<br /><br />I myself am thinking about looking to see what the age limit is for the Reserves or National Guard. Although if things keep going the way they are, I may end up on the right wing side of the civil war here in the States.
 

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Telmanmn, I have little sympathy for people that enlist in the guard to earn some extra money and then cry about getting called up for active duty. Isn't that the point of the guard? Not saying that is what your friend has done, but you were doing that. If you don't want to run the risk of being called up, then don't sign up IMO.<br /><br />The Guard does a great service to our country and I honor and respect their choices and decisions. Without them, we would be in trouble. This post is to no way discredit any member of the guard, I am just tired of hearing stories of people wanting to get out of the guard because they never signed up for going to war, only wanted some extra $. Okay, I am done with my rant. Sorry if I offended anyone.
 

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Typical of liberals: when called on the disgraceful behavior of some very influential members of their socialist coalition, they can respond only with inuendo and the equivalent of "Haliburton! Haliburton!"<br /><br />The end justifies the means to a dyed-in-the-wool communist. The difference between the democrats and Soviet-styled communists is diminishing rapidly.<br /><br />The LEFT has been the polarizing force in this country the last forty years, and the warning is that the LEFT has pushed about as far as will be tolerated. And now they want to enlist the help of the communist-inspired U-feekin'-N to hijack the upcoming election.<br /><br />Hear the sound of rattlesnakes.<br /><br /><br />-dd-
 
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