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[woodrat]

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Dogsdad:<br /><br />When I first jumped into dockside chat a few weeks back in another politically loaded thread, it was CONSERVATIVES who insisted that if I was not for George Bush, then I must be for kerry and that there was no other place to be. That is polarization. It was conservatives way back when old Newt was around that started talking about waging a "culture war" on those who disagreed with their politics. It was this president, supposedly a conservative, who threw out that famous "you're either with us or you're against us" line. More polarization. I assume that those of you on this forum making noises about waging a civil war are conservatives. I also assume that your post here is a response to my last post, so once again you are calling me a liberal and a socialist because I don't support this president. This is after I spent many many posts a while back establishing my credentials as a regular old american with politcal beliefs that spanned both sides of the spectrum. Who's doing the polarizing here?<br /><br />As far as the end justifying the means goes, that seems to pretty much sum up the Bush adminsitration's policy towards everything.<br /><br />And what is all this about civil war, anyway?

 

[dogsdad]

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Woodrat, since you addressed me, then I will respond to you directly: I repeat...it is the LEFT who has been pushing this country to towards socialism for the last fifty years. We, the conservatives, did not start this "culture war." We want to preserve the good things that have made America great. The left wants to mold America in the image of European socialism and appeasement. Europe is a cauldron of decadence, corruption, and decay, and anyone who admires that should emigrate.<br /><br />Your "credentials" mean nothing, and your attempt to redefine polarization is laughable.<br /><br />As far as civil war goes, it is again the left who is calling the shots (no pun intended) by invading and attacking Republican headquarters across the country.<br /><br />The left has been mobilized and on the offensive for years, engaging in subversion and perversion of the system and the like. I am sure that I am not the only one who sees an end to tolerance for this behavior.<br /><br /><br />-dd-

 

[woodrat]

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Well, I just heard on the radio this am that there is to be an investigation into allegations that someone involved with voter registration in OR was told by ? to throw away those registrations that were democratic, and only process those for repubs. Once again showing that there are plenty of corrupt nutcases on "both" sides (for those of you who like to believe that there are only two sides). Personally, it sounds like some people need to go to jail for any of these offenses on either side, but you are ready to declare civil war over it. Gee, that sure sounds like a smart expenditure of energy when we are already at EXTERNAL war.<br /><br />Yes Europe is no doubt a cauldron of corruption just like the good old US of A has become under BOTH parties' rule. The repubs have nothing to offer except more polarized good vs. evil distractions while their pals shovel all the money they can carry into their own bank accounts and laugh all the way to Bermuda. If you all want to believe these guys are all pure and good hearted, go right ahead. But keep your civil war off of MY doorstep.<br /><br />As far as appeasement goes, please refer to **** Cheney and Halliburton continuing to do business with saddam until about 1999 or so. those guys don't care who they make money off of, so long as money is made. And where was our great big american heart at when saddam was gassing the Kurds? Not a peep out of us!<br /><br />The fact that I should even NEED "credentials" to be treated with respect here is a pretty bad sign, and even worse that for some folks I guess I fall into the "evil" camp just because I don't support the latest right-wing administration in the white house. Oh well. There's always boating and fishing to keep me happy.<br /><br />Have a nice election guys. No matter who wins, we ALL lose.

 

[KennyKenCan]

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I see it must be the conservatives who vandalize and burn cars with "W" stickers on them, huh?<br /><br />4 cars at my train station alone, has met this demise!<br /><br />All where scrawled with anti-Bush statements carved into the metal, because they had "W" stickers on them! You could still read them after these cars were tourched! Police recovered multiple full finger-prints, and a sample of blood, with DNA, but told owners that there was nothing more they could do, than file a report!<br /><br />Then, the one Kerry supporters car, that was minorly vandalized (1 broken window) after the other 4 were set ablaze, Police went apon a man-hunt to find this individual, based upon a partial fingerprint! Found the individual's address, and went to arrest him, only to find that he was in China for the 3 days prior to the event, and was still in China!<br /><br />So, why wasn't the Kerry supporter given the same statement, that the Bush supporters where given?<br /><br />Why was the Kerry supporters claim so diligently persued?<br /><br />Sounds awfully biased to me!

 

[woodrat]

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BTW, speaking of socialism, hasn't the W administration presided over one of the largest expansions of the federal government in recent times? Why, as someone in favor of limited government, should I be happy about that? His apologists analyzing the debate said its really not fair to say that his administration's term has seen the loss of 1.6 million American jobs, because that was just the private sector. The feds created about 700,000 new jobs to help offset the private sector loss. Somehow that doesn't sound very conservative to me.<br /><br />And a lot of that job loss has been SUBSIDIZED (see "socialism") by yours and my tax dollars. Way to go repubs! And he still says that outsourcing our jobs overseas is a good thing.

 

[snapperbait]

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Don't sweat it Woodrat.. <br /><br />All "communist socialist liberals" or anyone else that disagrees with the administration and their ultra conservative adgenda will prolly be rounded up, labeled as "enemy combatants", and thrown in concentration camps by the conservative nazi party...<br /><br />Time will tell the truth..

 

[12Footer]

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LOL..I KNEW it was you, Plywoody!<br />Comon, quit playing games. Tell us what YOU think, not the Socialist Party playbook garbage.<br />And if you start replying to yourself, I'm gonna have to call the guys with the straight jacket.

 

[oddjob]

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Naw!..then we'd have to raise taxes to fund that initiative. Better we deal with you like the Nazis did the poor jews, and saddam with the kurds. Ya'll can consider yourself marters(sp). Forget the camp thing, we would need productive people to work in a camp. <br /><br />Now then, let me go and read some of these posts I've been avoiding for awhile.

 

[12Footer]

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See what we mean? Out come the silly comparisons to Hitler and jack-booted thugs and using them boots to march in lock-step with the fuerer, Bush and all that rot....<br /><br />I for one, am sick of it. We are Americans. We have differing views on what is acceptable behaviour, and what is a disgrace to one's self and the country he claims to represent.<br />Socialism is not against the law here. Niether are "neo-Nazis", (no contest on the K K K), but this propsed tactic of yours to "be rounded up, labeled as "enemy combatants", and thrown in concentration camps by the conservative nazi party" crap is fairly frequent from you guys. You need to step-back and look at the real, clear and present danger of the tactics employed by the Kerry/Edwards campaign. <br /> Don't believe me? Here is thier real playbook in PDF! <br />These tactics involve saying or doing whatever *it takes to elect them, including ;<br />the claims that they can make qaudroplegics walk again!<br />*Bush stopped the us military from going in capturing OBL when he they had the chance, going so far as to state that he facilitated this escape thru his contacts with the Suadi government.<br />*And you've all heard the adds claiming the saudis bailed-out his failing oil firm.<br />This stuff is disgracefull and despicable!!!<br />To SUGJEST that the conservative party is a Nazi front is proof of the fear and loathing that colors rational thought of Socialists. Some even fear the very compassion of the religious right! That simply is not rational. <br />I am a Christian constitional conservative, and very happy with, and proud of my moral and ethical stand on all issues So go ahead and disagree witth me or Bush all you want, but do not call me a Nazi again. This has gotten quite of hand, and must stop, and never be repeated.

 

[oddjob]

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Thats why I spend less and less time delivering facts or legitiment responses to them 12. I'd rather illustrate the upsurd with the upsurd. Feels alot better, and they dont bother to respond back as much. Sides, talk is pretty cheap anyway. specialy on a forum.

 

[woodrat]

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Jeez! 12 footer, you are still convinced I am someone else? Didn't you guys happen to notice that the last time we went through all of this BS, the actual "plywoody" was posting under his own moniker in different threads? I linked my website here, which carried my name and street address, why don't you all just get over it already? I've said what I think over and over again. To boil it down to a nice easy bumper-sticker length read: "No matter which one wins, we the people ALL lose."<br /><br />Is that simple enough? I'm not voting for Kerry and I'm not voting for W. Simple as that. I have not vandalized any cars, campaign signs or party headquarters and do not make excuses for the lame-brains that do, whoever they are and whatever their partisan leanings. I am not responsible for the varying ways that cops in some faraway place responded to different reports of vandalization. I cannot explain it, but I somehow doubt that it has anything to do with some vast, dark conspiracy between the Kerry campaign and the local police department, although I suppose anything is possible in these strange times. (BTW, sounds like the cops who chased down the anti-kerry vandal got the wrong guy anyway, huh?) I am not a socialist, a communist or a democrat.<br /><br />I have to say the weird threatening language about civil war and an end to tolerance of left leaning viewpoints is pretty creepy, though. Do you right wingers really believe that only your particular viewpoints and ideas have a right to exist in America? Who amongst the right wing gets to decide which ideas are "right" enough? You might accidentally get a few right wingers in your sights if you are not careful; I know several ultra-conservatives who are totally against W, saying that no real conservative would have undertaken many of the radical changes and policies that W has. And no, they aren't for Kerry either. Turns out that I am not alone in being for neither major candidate, there are many others, left, right and center who feel the same.

 

[woodrat]

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BTW, I thought all the limp-wristed commie pinko democrats and leftist tree huggers and so forth were all afraid of guns, and the next thing you know, they're all armed and shooting up the place. What gives?

 

[wajajaja]

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BOY WILL I BE GLAD TO GET BACK TO BOATTING SEASON!

 

[oddjob]

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Damn it! Woodrat, I just wrote an essay for you and I must of hit the wrong key and poof. <br /><br />Well, I gotta go now. Next time I attempt to articulate intelligently I'll do it in the word perfect first.<br /><br />long story short: Thanks for not voting against Bush and stay inthe middle while you verify the diff,. of each parties. I started as a dem. then went to the middle, and ended up a conservative. And I started paying attention to politics in 1988.<br /><br />This happens everytime i write something good on this forum{save}....add reply....

 

[woodrat]

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Hey 12 footer, If you are a christian constitutionalist conservative, how do you rationalize amending the constitution to let one man run for office? seems pretty non-conservative...

 

[moderator1]

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Just a reminder. Keep it civil.

 

[12Footer]

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Originally posted by woodrat:<br /> Jeez! 12 footer, you are still convinced I am someone else? Didn't you guys happen to notice that the last time we went through all of this BS, the actual "plywoody" was posting under his own moniker in different threads? I linked my website here, which carried my name and street address, why don't you all just get over it already?

OK, "Woodrat". Whatever you say (well allmost whatever you say). The experts claim it's not a dangerous condition unless you start jumping from personallity-to-personallity in mid-conversation, or one of you becomes violent... I do not care. I still respect all three of you <br /><br />

Originally posted by woodrat:<br /><br /> I've said what I think over and over again. To boil it down to a nice easy bumper-sticker length read: "No matter which one wins, we the people ALL lose."

Notihng wrong with that.<br />

Originally posted by whoever:<br /><br />I'm not voting for Kerry and I'm not voting for W. Simple as that. I have not vandalized any cars, campaign signs or party headquarters and do not make excuses for the lame-brains that do, whoever they are and whatever their partisan leanings. I am not responsible for the varying ways that cops in some faraway place responded to different reports of vandalization. <br />

I'm with you there, except for the voting thing. I will vote for bettering my future. How dare anyone blame you for the actions of the lunatic fringe of your party!? <br />I must've missed something. I don't believe anyone is linking you to the gun or getaway car.<br />But this thread topic deals with just this type of activity. It is real. It is happening in America,and I've even lost a "BUSH/CHENEY" yard sign myself last night. It was replaced this afternoon, and "protected" discretely.<br />I'm sure there have been many cars with "twin-John" stickers that have been keyed too. It is no less hideous IMHO. It is disgraceful.<br /><br />

Originally posted by woodrat:<br /><br />I cannot explain it, but I somehow doubt that it has anything to do with some vast, dark conspiracy between the Kerry campaign and the local police department, although I suppose anything is possible in these strange times. (BTW, sounds like the cops who chased down the anti-kerry vandal got the wrong guy anyway, huh?) I am not a socialist, a communist or a democrat.

It has been documented for you, and links provided, yet you are free to believe what you will. I choose to believe only what I see, and only what I know hasn't been "photoshopped".<br />'Bout time we got back on-topic, huh?<br /><br />

Originally posted by woodrat:<br /><br />I have to say the weird threatening language about civil war and an end to tolerance of left leaning viewpoints is pretty creepy, though. Do you right wingers really believe that only your particular viewpoints and ideas have a right to exist in America? Who amongst the right wing gets to decide which ideas are "right" enough? You might accidentally get a few right wingers in your sights if you are not careful; I know several ultra-conservatives who are totally against W, saying that no real conservative would have undertaken many of the radical changes and policies that W has. And no, they aren't for Kerry either. Turns out that I am not alone in being for neither major candidate, there are many others, left, right and center who feel the same.

Again, you must do your own homework. A link is provided above to a PDF file published for democrat volunteers and campaign workers.<br />I sugjest you glean-thru it. It is not a conspiracy, but it sure gives instructions on HOW to conspire,and "find and publish whatever you feel would discredit the republicans and be industrious if you need to fill in details".<br />All that to say -- There are conspiracies and plots to undermine the integrity of the republican canidates. It has been fouind and documented. As for any conspiracy or slight-of-hand on the part of republicans, well---do your own homework.

 

[12Footer]

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Originally posted by woodrat:<br /> Hey 12 footer, If you are a christian constitutionalist conservative, how do you rationalize amending the constitution to let one man run for office? seems pretty non-conservative...

One man? Explain.<br />I never vote for ammendments in any way, shape, or form. And that is what I mean by "constitutional conservative".<br />I believe the founders left no stone unturned in the original. I do not think any constitution "lives and breathes and is changeable". It is what it is. My proof of this is, that with each and evry ammendent to the original document, someone-- in some way , was harmed by it, while someone else benefitted by that harm. EVERY ammendment--EVERY one of them, including the ones even I presently benefit from.<br />As for the Christian part, you'd have to believe in God to understand that proud self-label.<br />Have you looked-into Christianity with an objective eye yet? If not, I invite you to do so.It is life-changing, and all for the "good",as opposed to bad or evil influences we are surrounded by. The faith has no "gray area". Check it out.

 

[dogsdad]

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Weird language?<br /><br />The left has pushed and cajoled the country so hard through judicial activism and other means, such as brainwashing, for the last 50 years that the Republican party now stands about where the democratic party stood then. The democratic party has moved so far to the left that a word needs to be coined to describe their position in the political spectrum. And now more and more leftists are out there using terror tactics in an attempt to intimidate the centrist Republicans. <br /><br />The EXTREMISTS are on the left, and they spew lies constantly about who the extremists are. They use the old tool of repeating a lie over and over again until it is accepted as truth. Any sneaky or underhanded deception they engage in is accompanied by an accusation against so-called conservatives of engaging in that very behavior.<br /><br />The EXTREMISTS on the left are the ones who are pushing the envelope. And they are the ones who are pushing this country to the brink with POLARIZATION. And the LEFT are the ones resorting to violence and intimidation.<br /><br />If you, woodrat, think that all of us in the center should just stand around with our hands in our pockets wearing vacuous grins while the leftist extremists hijack America, you had better think again.<br /><br />So don't stand there and pi** on my leg and tell me it's raining.<br /><br /><br />-dd-

 

[woodrat]

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hey 12 footer;<br /><br />well, I have to say the "plywoody" thing is wearing thin. I am who I say I am , and do not post under any other handles. I never have. if my commentary bears some remote similarity to someone else, well, too bad. I will again link my website here, you can look at my name and address and then go check out whatever you can find about "plywoody", whoever the heck he is.<br /><br /> http://www.specialtywoods.net <br /><br />the fact that people are pulling out all the creepy stops in this election year to get their party elected is not really very surprising. The vote last time was very close, indicating a fairly evenly divided electorate and nothing that has happened in the last four years has done much to bring people together more in one direction or another. So this one will undoubtedly be closer still and hotly contested by lawyers of all stripes.<br /><br />the fact that the dems have a "conspiracy" to discredit their opponents hardly even counts as news. Of course they do! And of course so do the repubs! They're not angels or anything! That's what I don't get about partisans of any stripe. They actually believe that their guy wears an unstained white hat, and that their party alone carries forth the banner of truth and purity of motive. No matter how hard you or dogsdad or anyone else tries, you simply won't be able to hang a partisan label on me. I'm not a "joiner" and I never have been. I have voted republican several times in my voting career, including the last local election here for my county commisioner. Try finding a partisan democrat who can say that with a straight face.<br /><br />anyway, to get back on topic, I just don't believe for a minute that ONLY democrats are pulling creepy campaign tricks. That is such a silly notion that I can hardly believe that ANYONE would believe it. And like I said, as someone who voted for Raplh last time, I know firsthand about creepy democratic thuggery. they managed to boot ralph off the ballot in neighboring Oregon, with some BS about fraudulent signatures and then a very strange judicial interpretation of the law. the dems can't STAND the idea that ralph won't just go away.<br /><br />My comment about the constitution is related to running arnie for prez. maybe I'm mistaken but I thought it was you last time who proudly stated that the repubs were working on a constituional amendment to allow arnold to run for prez. If I'm wrong, sorry , but you do have a arnie/zell tag on your posts. Does the constitution allow a VP to be foreign born? I know it prohibits a prez candidate to be foreign born.<br /><br />I have been to plenty of church in my time and seen plenty of mean spirited bigotry, hypocrisy and intolerance disguised as loving christianity. Had enough of all that. I respect anyone's right to worship however they want to whoever and whatever they want. My main beef with christianity is the idea that is the ONLY path to God and all the rest of us will rot in hell. I think that god and humanity are much bigger that that.<br /><br />I know I know, its long and somewhat off topic. Sorry! <br /><br />12 footer, I respect and appreciate your respectful and reasonable tone (except for the "plywoody" bit). I don't get the impression that you'd like to shoot me down in the coming civil war between the pinkos and the right-wingers. Thanks for that! Hopefully I and my family can stay out of the crossfire and I wish the same good luck to you.