Disgraceful activity. update!

snapperbait

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See what we mean? Out come the silly comparisons to Hitler and jack-booted thugs and using them boots to march in lock-step with the fuerer, Bush and all that rot....<br />
Well? Think I'm not sick of it? Think again.. <br /><br /> But ya boys keep on spewing crap, don't ya? "G.D. liberals are pulling some kinda crap again, kerry's a flip flopping terrorist buttpipe, look at what the communist-socialist ba$$turds are doing today", yada yada yada... Then ya get your shorts in a wad when Plywoody, Rolmops, Mrbscott, Woodrat, Myself, or anyone else with an opposing view speaks their mind to refute the spun up garbage news you conservative gentlemen spew forth daily...<br /><br />Want a piece of advice? Well i'm gonna give it to ya'll anyway... <br /><br />Take off the rose colored glasses my conservative friends.. Take care of your own GOP business and weed out the scumbags, liars, and crooks amongst yall'... Maybe then the DNC would not have to waste the time to refute the spun up lies put forth by less that reputable sources on the right, and vice-versa.....<br /><br />I for one don't need to be informed daily about who the scumbags are in the DNC or the GOP, and I don't think anyone else here needs to be "informed".. Kerry's a scumbag.. Bush, Edwards, Cheney too....<br /><br /> Fair fight is all I ask for... If ya don't want to play fair, I for one will continue to pay ya back in spades... ;)
 

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:rolleyes: <br /><br /><br />It's only a fair fight if we let ya win, huh snapperbait? We're suppposed to keep quiet when the leftists resort to any and all means to hijack America, otherwise it's not fair?<br /><br />You may get your way in the end, but in the meantime get used to getting your butts kicked around with vigor. As long as you all play by the rules and keep the dirty tricks down to the prank level, all will be rosy. But we are not going to let the whacko left steal the country outright to establish a socialist paradise here, not without a fight.<br /><br /><br />-dd-
 

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Well, lets hope that when the right has the place well in hand they don't resort to any police-state socialistic corporate rule hanky- panky of their own, OK? They say that absolute power corrupts absolutely...
 

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I find it funny the left says bush didnt do enough before 9/11 to protect America but now he is doing to much with homeland security and the patriot act .......dang man you guys need to make up your minds.
 

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They've already started, Woodrat... Homeland security.. The Patriot act, and the proposed renewal and expansion of it... Forget the fourth amendment...<br /><br />Of course the conservatives are for smaller and less intrusive government... :rolleyes: Sure they are....
 

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I never said Bush did'nt do enuff.. <br /><br />Here, stick this in your pipe and smoke it.. CLINTON did'nt do enuff (yep, i said it!).. Bush sr. did'nt do enuff.. Reagan did'nt do enuff(actually, he did something, just in the wrong direction).. Carter, Ford, Nixon, Johnson, JFK, IKE, on and on....
 

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Not identifying myself much with the left, I can't speak for "the left", but I have never said that Bush or clinton or anyone else didn't do enough to "protect" us. I'm not one of the type who looks to the State for "protection". I do think that our appetite for oil and the way we've gone about meeting it no matter what administration has been in charge has done much to aggravate those who are now so set against us. And I think soon we will be running low on crude no matter how many wars we fight.<br /><br />besides, what is it about the feds getting warrantless secret searches of anyone's library records that protects us? Why does the justice department want that in there if they've got no plans to use it?<br /><br />Now we're really getting off topic again...Not that this thread doesn't have a pretty good title either way...
 

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Snapper Im not saying that you per say said he didnt do enough but the left as a whole have attacked the prez for not enough and too much......
 

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I think you most CERTAINLY identified yourself with the left---the extreme left, when you admitted to having voted for "Ralph."<br /><br />And this comment: "I have to say the weird threatening language about civil war and an end to tolerance of left leaning viewpoints is pretty creepy, though." To that, I say this: no threats, pure warning. And no one is announcing intolerance of viewpoints, it is disgraceful incivility and disregard for others' rights that won't be tolerated, nor any attempt to stage a coup (like was attempted in 2000 in Florida). Now those are creepy things.<br /><br /><br />-dd-
 

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Extreem left, ultra right... <br /><br />Can someone here please direct me to the middle ...? :confused: <br /><br />Is there a middle ...? :confused:
 

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The democratic mayor of Milwaukee has requested 900,000+ ballots for the upcomming election. But why? Last election 240,000 people in Milwaukee voted. The city only has 460,000 eligible voters? Why would someone want this many additional ballots? What could be the only reason but fraud?<br /><br />Voter fraud spauned by the left is going to be huge. This is overt and disgraceful. <br /><br />According to the left:<br /><br />In florida dogs and hoses were used to intimidate black voters in the last election. Fact: Never happened. Apology? Nope.<br /><br />1 million black voters were disenfranchised. Well there were 11 million blacks in florida, 7 million were eligible to vote, assuming a high voting rate that means about 4 million blacks voted, which means 25% of them were prevented from voting and yet not one case can be documented. Voter error was high but how does voter error become a republican plot. I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for an apology. If I am wrong please provide just 10 names.<br /><br />New democrat flyer in Tenn, "Voting for bush is like running a race in the special olympics, you might win but you are still retarded." Disgraceful.<br /><br />Nice touch by Kerry trying to leverage Cheney's homosexual daughter for political gain. Shameful<br /><br />Someone want to bring up Haliburtan? Intensional misrepresentation, Yep. Pathetic.
 

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Originally posted by woodrat:<br /> <br />My comment about the constitution is related to running arnie for prez. maybe I'm mistaken but I thought it was you last time who proudly stated that the repubs were working on a constituional amendment to allow arnold to run for prez. If I'm wrong, sorry , but you do have a arnie/zell tag on your posts. Does the constitution allow a VP to be foreign born? I know it prohibits a prez candidate to be foreign born.<br />
Firstly, I'm sorry the "Plywoody" thing offended you, and will refer to you as whoever you initially post under. I just thought it was funny, aned meant no offense.. :) <br /><br />Back to your question regarding constitutional conservatism.---<br />If you had read what I posted,(apparently, you read stuff like I do), you'd know that I addressed your concern. I posted that I was solidly against ANY ammendment, even the ones I would benefit from.I would love to see Arnold doing for America some day,what he is doing for one state now. But I would vote against ANY ammendment, even that one.<br /><br />
Originally posted by woodrat:<br /><br />I have been to plenty of church in my time and seen plenty of mean spirited bigotry, hypocrisy and intolerance disguised as loving christianity. Had enough of all that. I respect anyone's right to worship however they want to whoever and whatever they want. My main beef with christianity is the idea that is the ONLY path to God and all the rest of us will rot in hell. I think that god and humanity are much bigger that that.
Being raised Catholic by my parents, I have seen the some extreme abuses too, maybee even worse (let's not go there).<br />But i've learned to seperate man from God. I will pray that someday, you are allowed to do this too. Man is and allways will be a sinner--Every one of us, from Hitler to the Mother Terresa (sp).<br />Our goal should be to rise above such things as murder and the rest of our sins.<br />You claim to have had enough of all that. I was there many times in my life too. All I can say is the same thing Joshua said ----" As for me and my house,we will serve the Lord" (24;15).<br /><br />Essentially what Josh was saying is..."Y'all do what you want.As for me, I will do what God wants me to do, or at least TRY".<br />If you wanna stick pins in chickens and light candles in skulls, whatever, dood. The same part of the constitution that protects me, will also protect you too!<br /><br />Don't let my Christianity offend you, but I will fight for my right to worship the God I love. The constitution provides for this---for now, at least.<br />Back on-Topic: This thread has come to the point where it deals with low-ball attacks by both parties. The only difference between cival war and what we are seeing is the bullets have yet to fly. OH WAIT....THAT'S RIGHT....THEY ARE FLYING, AREN'T THEY?<br />And that is disgraceful for any Christian society.
 

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Dogsdad;<br /><br />Who I vote for is not what defines me. I voted for ralph not because I believe everything he does, but because he was talking about issues that no other candidate was dealing with (well Pat Buchanon was a little bit, but a little too rabid for me, thanks). Peak oil, Globalization of our job market, corruption in party politics, things like that. I would still love to see the dunces running for prez right now answer a couple of questions about peak oil. Because its coming, and it might be coming sooner than we think, and neither candidate or party has any realistic plans to deal with it, except the repubs bold grab for the last deposits of the stuff. I do give them that; they do seem to have a short term plan anyway.<br /><br />In the last race here, I voted for a republican county commissioner and a democratiic sheriff. When I lived in the city I voted for republican coucilmembers several times. That does not make me a republican or a right winger. If you EXTREME partisans want to look at the world as black and white, go right ahead. Maybe they'll go to voting machines soon where you can only pick one major party or the other. I think that would probably make plenty of folks on this board happy enough. <br /><br />While we're here discussing my extreme liberalism, how does my aversion to bigger government, gun control, and all the do-gooder bans on smoking, eating horse meat (CA actually passed that ridiculous piece of dung a few years back), driving without a seatbelt and anything else they can think of that might be harmful or too much fun fit with that? still, you already seem to know much more about who I am than I do, so I guess there's no point in trying to argue with someone so smart as that.<br /><br />The line between "threat" and "warning" is a thin one, and you seemed to be applying your "warning" pretty broadly to "the left" who has been pushing their "agenda" (the nerve! No republicans would ever do THAT!). This is hardly the first time in US history that one party or another has engaged in election year hanky-panky, petty vandalism and the like. I'm sure that both parties are full speed ahead right now with whatever they think will work. You only seem to believe and be offended by what already fits with your worldview. The idea that you represent the center seems pretty off to me, but hey, to each his own, right? this is still america, land of the free etc etc.<br /><br />Snapper:<br /><br />there is no middle allowed here. You have to pick democrat or repub when you come in the door, and then wear your choice on a prominently displayed tag. That way there won't be any of this business of sneaking into the other side of the room to hear what the other party is talking about. We wouldn't want THAT.<br /><br />Pointer:<br /><br />Can you point me to where the left claimed that dogs and hoses were used on blacks in FL in 2000? I never heard that one. Halliburton is a relevant piece of news. they won many millions in no-bid contracts while their pal was in the white house, and were caught overcharging the pentagon for gasoline among other things. Why is it that in times gone past, conservatives like you guys could actually get upset about pentagon boondoggles, but now you all act like it could NEVER happen under W and ****? You really, really believe in the whiteness of their hats, huh?<br /><br />12 footer;<br /><br />Must have ben someone else last time who was all for amending the constitution. Sorry!<br /><br />Your christainity doesn't offend me one bit, until it becomes the state religion or you or anyone else start shoving it down my throat. I'm sure christianity works for a lot of people and I'm sure there are good examples of people living the bright and loving side of that belief system all over the world, just as there are moral and good people practicing islam, hiunduism, buddhism and many others, all having the same degree of success in relating to god as you do. I hope you also will fight for everyone else's right to worship as they see fit, too.<br /><br />When you call it a Christian society though, where does that leave those of us who are not christian? Outside of society i guess, but if this christian society is ready to start shooting over which doofus we're allowed to choose from for president, then I don't mind being outside of it. In fact, I prefer it.
 

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So the left wants a fair fight. Does this mean we get to shoot up some DNC HQ's? Storm in and break some bones and shout what ever we want?
 

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hey, go for it. maybe while all the extremists are out there shooting and breaking glass, the rest of us can get on with the business of getting ready to live a life with gasoline that costs $5.00/ gallon.
 

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I know it is difficult to keep track of all the lies the Democrats told, but here is some information to help refresh your memory.<br /><br />..........There's no evidence of systematic disenfranchisement of black voters. The myth of a nefarious plot to thwart black voters from casting ballots is wholly unsupported by the evidence. Inconvenience, bureaucratic errors and inefficiencies were indeed pervasive. But these problems don't rise to the level of invidious discrimination. (There was one case in which a black woman alleged that she was turned away from a poll at closing time whereas a white man wasn't.)<br /><br />Much has been made of the "felon purge list", i.e., a list of those individuals who, under Florida law, were to be barred from voting due to felony convictions (see the "Felon Franchise). The list had been prepared to prevent the kind of fraud that had occurred in the infamous Miami mayoral election in which a number of ineligible felons voted.<br /><br />The list was inaccurate; it included people who shouldn't have been on it. Thus, the myth holds that the purge list was somehow a tool to deny blacks the right to vote.<br /><br />But facts are stubborn things. Whites were actually twice as likely as blacks to be erroneously placed on the list. In fact, an exhaustive study by the Miami Herald concluded that "the biggest problem with the felon list was not that it prevented eligible voters from casting ballots, but that it ended up allowing ineligible voters to cast a ballot" (This quote, as well as many of the facts contained herein, come from Commissioners Abigail Thernstrom's and Russell Redenbaugh's dissent to the Commission report.). According to the Palm Beach Post more than 6,500 ineligible felons voted.<br /><br /><br />__________________________________________________<br /><br />National Review<br /><br />Florida Forever<br />The political urban legend that facts won't kill.<br /><br />By Peter Kirsanow <br /><br />Several pundits have predicted that there will be a huge turnout for the Florida Democratic primary Tuesday, particularly among black voters. This, despite the fact that John Kerry has effectively secured the nomination. <br /><br /> <br />The reasons are twofold: (1) Democrats will make every effort to get out the vote to demonstrate that Florida will be in play during the general election; and (2) black voters, incensed that they were systematically harassed, intimidated and prevented from voting in the 2000 presidential election — the "stolen" election — will stream to the polls in droves. <br /><br />The second reason is a political myth repeated ad nauseum during the Democratic presidential primary. But political myths can overcome facts through sheer repetition: The New Deal ended the Depression; tax cuts caused budget deficits in the eighties, etc. These myths serve vital partisan imperatives — especially when the policy cupboards of the partisans are bare or vermin-infested.<br /><br />Even before the last vote had been cast in the 2000 presidential election, activists had descended upon Florida, claiming a widespread conspiracy to disenfranchise black voters. Allegations that state troopers put up roadblocks and checkpoints to prevent blacks from voting were rampant. Dogs and hoses were allegedly used to drive black voters from the polls. Bull Connor's heirs had been unleashed — all at the direction of Governor Bush and his sidekick, Secretary of State Katherine Harris.<br /><br />The U.S. Commission on Civil Rights investigated over a six-month period beginning in January of 2001. Its 200-page majority report, "Voting Irregularities in Florida During the 2000 Presidential Election," excoriates Florida's election officials for various acts of misfeasance. But the conclusions drawn by the report often bore little relationship to the facts contained therein. And media descriptions of the report did little to dispel the widespread belief among the black electorate that blacks had been systematically targeted for harassment, intimidation and disenfranchisement.<br /><br />Of course, very few actually read the report. But the handful that did (especially the incisive dissent authored by Commissioners Abigail Thernstrom and Russell Redenbaugh) discovered the astonishing mendacity underlying the myth.<br /><br />There's absolutely no evidence that a single person was intimidated, harassed, or prevented from voting by Florida law enforcement. Despite claims of rampant police intimidation and harassment, the only evidence of law-enforcement "misconduct" consisted of just two witnesses who described their perceptions regarding the actions of the Florida Highway Patrol. One of these witnesses testified that he thought it was "unusual" to see an empty patrol car parked outside a polling place. There was no evidence that sight of the vehicle somehow intimidated the witness or any other voters from casting ballots. There was no evidence that the erstwhile occupant of the vehicle harassed voters. There was no evidence that the empty vehicle was there for the purpose of somehow disenfranchising anyone assigned to vote at that location.<br /><br />__________________________________________________<br /><br /><br />As facts are the only thing we should base our decisions upon please point out exactly where the Vice President had contact with, colluded with or was involved with granting of contracts to Haliburtin since taking office.<br /><br />This is just more democratic lies and inuendo, if it was so important where was our friends at the DNC, while the contracts were granted. <br /><br />Name any domestic company that could do the job Haliburtin was contracted to fullfill.<br /><br />I didn't know that being under investigation means you did anything wrong.<br /><br />FYI, Deferred compensation is what the IRS takes money out of my check for every week. I consider it theft, but please explain how this isn't a tax.<br /><br />Facts and intellectual honesty are just one of the reasons I am voting for W.
 

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samagee:<br /><br />For the umpteenth time, I am NOT a kerry supporter. Get over it already. I couldn't care less what last minute tidbits you or any other partisans come up with about each other's heros. Why do I never hear you guys yapping about w's disgraceful absences from the paltry little bit of service he was supposed to do? Not because you actually care about these kinds of things in principle, but because you only care about your partisan figurehead and making sure he stays in. If you all had any kind of balanced set of values about war records for example, you would probably have to be ashamed to be supporting a rich boy who essentially bought his way out of any meaningful service at all. How does that qualify him to be "commander in chief"? And just in case you start chanting some mantra about dan rather and all that, there were many many other sources for this info before that debacle came about, and the white house or the RNC has never really denied that W bailed out on his obligations. If W's vietnam records are irrelevant, then so are kerry's.<br /><br />Pointer:<br /><br />How on earth would anyone ever be able to point to facts regarding **** cheney and halliburton's no-bid contracts? Everything **** does is a state secret apparently; we still aren't allowed to know anything about his energy policy meetings. If a democratic VP pulled that kind of BS you guys would be having an aneurism screming for impeachment and summary hanging. And if a democratic VP left a big company to become the VP and then almost immediately his big company started getting huge no-bid contracts and ripping off the taxpayers, I don't think you all would be meekly sitting around on your hands saying "well, there's no real PROOF that he ever spoke to his old pals at HugeCo. again, so we'll just have to wait and see what develops." heck you guys were all ready to impeach the last prez for lying about a blow job. When the issue is national energy policy, **** Cheney can look you in the eye and tell you to mind your own business and you promptly comply. Like the guy has a right to privacy around something like that!<br /><br />This whole thread seems to pretty much be a partisan diatribe and not much else. I could probably hunt around and find some magazine article that said something different than what your magazine article said. Would you then take that as "proof" or as "factual"? Only if it came from a magazine that you are inlcined to believe already, and it held forth "facts" that you already believe.<br /><br />Our friends at the DNC, for the billionth time, are every bit as corrupt as our friends at the RNC, hence the almost unanimous cowardly congressional votes that authorized the "patriot act" without anyone having read it, and the craven vote that handed congressional war-making authority to the president to do as he saw fit with it.<br /><br />I don't know if stubbornness and blinder vision count as intellectual honesty, but I can see where you're coming from there. W does inded seem to stick like glue to whatever he set out to believe in, regardless of the facts on the ground. A lot of folks seem to really admire that.
 

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You know woodrat. I am not going to re-hash old things with you. You are new here, you don't have a clue what I have posted in the past about draft doggers. If these candidate's military careers were as pointless as Clinton's was, maybe everyone would be getting down to the real meat. Yet, if they did that. Kerry would be jailed for treason right along side Clinton.<br /><br />The importance of this election is to keep people like Kerry out of the Presidency. Bush is doing a good job, and what we disagree with, we can lobby against in congress. However, the dems do not want to play that way.
 

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Can you point me to where the left claimed that dogs and hoses were used on blacks in FL in 2000? I never heard that one.
Please, your earlier point was you never heard the claim of blacks being prevented from voting by dogs and hoses.. HERE IT IS. IT WAS CLAIMED DISPITE THE FACT IT WAS A LIE. In fact the DNC used it as grounds to litigate that a recount was necessary. They were wrong. If they chose not to find the truth before claiming it was that is <br />DISGRACEFUL...<br /><br />Your question now answered.<br /><br />Perhaps the tone of the article is in reaction to made up charges, lies, and the attempt to overturn an election, or the fact it was used to keyhole the "MAJORITY" of the floridian voters. This thread is about disgraceful activities that have occured. THIS IS DISGRACEFUL. Your opinion of the article doesn't change the facts.<br /><br />With regards to your comment about Cheney, you don't know if he did anything. You seem comfortable speculating and at times stating as fact things you don't know to be fact, while at the same time destroying a mans reputation. THIS IS DISGRACEFUL.<br /><br />My thoughts in starting this tread was to point out that there are crimminal and illegal and charactor asassinations that are going on and most of these are going on with the Left of which the DNC and the Socialist parties are part of. (what the difference is I don't know) They don't like what they hear they do whatever they want in their self-rightous manner. I am not saying that the right is a pure as the driven snow, but when you look for lies, distortions, and now voter fraud, the left are the ones hip deep in it while blaming everyone but themselves. To this day, they claim that the GOP "stole" the election. Even after dozens of recounts using any type of "INTERPRETATION OF VOTES" by liberal and conservative organizations and after all charges that there was some kind of conspiracy to prevent minorities, from voting, BUSH WON. Kerry continues to perpetuate what he knows is a lie. If he doesn't, he is incompetant and unworthy of the highest office.<br /><br />FYI, W is 180 degrees away from my idea of how to address a domestic spending policy gone bad. Throwing money has never worked. Now it doesn't matter who you vote for they promise more money for more thing for more people who pay little or nothing.<br /><br />My alternative, Nader or Kerry? Why not vote for the communist of socialist candidate, they all share the same platform. I am also not accusing you of this type of activity or even the mindset, but it is easy to ride the wave of opinion. Most people feel spreading rumors and lies about political candidates is nothing more than sport. They are wrong.<br /><br />
If a democratic VP pulled that kind of BS you guys would be having an aneurism screming for impeachment and summary hanging.
Funny, that's what Hillary did with her health care task force.. I didn't have an aneurism. ;)
 
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