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jigngrub

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The blue and pink polystyrene sheet foam aren't petroleum distillate resistant and will break down if exposed to gasoline and oils (turns to goo eventually).

The expanding urethane foam is resistant and that's why manufacturers use it to foam and secure below deck fuel tanks in place.
 
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ahmincha

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Hi jig thanks for the reply So I guess its back to some sort of bracket
 

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Is the tank floor permanently installed yet?
You can use marine toggle bolts to hold some aluminum straps front to rear, just be sure you use neoprene as an insulator and not rubber...the carbon in rubber can cause corrosion on the aluminum...
Here is a sketch of one way to do it...




If the floor is not permanently attached, you could install some Stainless Steel T-Nuts on the underside of the floor and bolt through the straps into them or you can use these marine toggle bolts as a substitute for the SS T-nuts, to secure the straps...

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BTW, be sure to use neoprene to insulate the straps from the tank, also...
 

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Thanks gt no the floor is not in yet I alreadt bought the ss t bolts just was not sure if running long ways was ok. If I use aluminum straps do I still need the neoprene under the straps
 

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Thanks gt no the floor is not in yet I alreadt bought the ss t bolts just was not sure if running long ways was ok. If I use aluminum straps do I still need the neoprene under the straps

Yes, the vibration of metal on metal may cause issues in time...
 

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I personally would pour it... unless you plan to neglect your boat and expose it to the elements after all the hard work you've done.

Not only will the foam secure and isolate your tank, it'll also seal off any leaks that may occur in the future... waaaaay in the future.
 

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I thought foam was a no no around tank. Also my bilge will be open on top for the fuel lines come through. The place where i had it built said to foam in the corners. I just figured that where the lines come through water could get in there
 

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I thought foam was a no no around tank.

That's a myth that's perpetuated by those that don't know any better.

If it was a no-no manufacturers wouldn't be allowed to use it and the USCG wouldn't endorse/permit it.

There are things that make foaming a fuel tank in place better, the biggest one is painting the tank before it's foamed in. Painting the tank will ensure corrosion resistance should the foam ever become saturated. The paint is a barrier between the foam and the metal tank.

This circular by the USCG and Underwriters Laboratories explains it:
http://www.uscgboating.org/assets/pdf/recalls/BSC79.pdf

Also, 2 part expanding urethane foam doesn't saturate overnight. It takes a long time of constant exposure to saturate expanding foam of 2 lb. density and even longer for 4 lb. density. A lot of people think that foam sucks up water like a sponge, and that's just not true:
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14. Is this foam water resistant?

Yes, but with the following caveat. The foams that we sell are considered closed-cell, which means that each cell that makes up the foam structure is completely closed off from surrounding cells which prevents it from acting like a sponge. It is completely safe for this foam to be in contact with water for hours/days/weeks and even months with no adverse effects. However, it should never be submerged in contact with water permanently. Over a period of years the water contact can begin to soften the foam and cause it to lose its closed-cell status. This foam is designed primarily to be used as an insurance policy in case of damage/holes that could cause a vessel to lose buoyancy. Pinhole sized openings would essentially have no effect on the foam since the amount of exposure is so minimal but you should always make repairs as soon as possible to keep the foam effectiveness as good as possible. This will be the case with all after market closed-cell polyurethane foams and even manufacturer installed foams.
From the FAQ section of USComposites urethane foam section.

What people don't realize when they're digging the wet foam out of their 10-30 yr. old boat is that the boat has been neglected for years and the foam has been constantly exposed to water for years.

I have 16 yr. old foam in my boat that's light as a feather and bone dry, it gets wet every time I hose down and scrub the inside of my boat and every time I forget to put the plug in when I launch my boat... but other than that, my boat is kept covered with the plug out outside in the weather and always has been.

It's your boat and you can build it any way you want, I'm just trying to help... and if it was my boat that tank would be foamed in with 4 lb. density foam and I wouldn't ever worry about it.
 

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JNG is a proponent of foaming tanks. I am not. Pro's and Cons of both. There are those who say that foaming promotes corrosion but other's that say coating the tank will prevent this. I just am of the opinion that If I ever had any kind of issue with the tank I would want to be able to remove and replace it in a convenient way. I think Gus's diagram using the bolt down straps would work very well. But as stated, it's your boat and you should make the decision based on what makes the best sense to you. Either way will work.;)
 

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JNG is a proponent of foaming tanks. I am not. Pro's and Cons of both. There are those who say that foaming promotes corrosion but other's that say coating the tank will prevent this. I just am of the opinion that If I ever had any kind of issue with the tank I would want to be able to remove and replace it in a convenient way. I think Gus's diagram using the bolt down straps would work very well. But as stated, it's your boat and you should make the decision based on what makes the best sense to you. Either way will work.;)


One mans passion is another mans poison eh Woody?!
 

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Need advice opinions The kicker bracket obviously hits the top rail should I cut out the area, pack it out or not add the kicker
It would need to be packed out about 1 1/2"
 

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If your going to do any trolling I would want the kicker,..

Is there a way to bolt a Panther static bracket on to mount the kicker??
 

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I'd move it out another 2" and not worry about it. You'll love that little motor when it comes time for trolling!!!:joyous:
 
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