1961 Lonestar Flamingo - SPLASHED w/Pics

[Woodonglass]

Thanks Lisa!!!

Red, If I take the cables off the motor I can manually shift it into forward or reverse all day long!!! Prop engages with No Problems!!! Nothing wrong on the Lower Unit side of things. Also if the cables are off, the shift handle moves into forward or reverse but... When cables are in place...It Shifts into Forward but Won't budge into reverse!!! Or if it does budge and move into the Reverse position on the handle the motor Moves the cable forward putting it in forward instead of pulling the cable back and putting the motor in reverse. Like I said I am BUMFUZZLED!!! If I have to I'll video the dang thing so everyone can see what's happening with it.!!!

 

[89 resorter]

WOG, I'm not real familiar with outboard controls but I had a similar thing happen on an old inboard where I replaced a broken shift cable and it did the same thing. It turned out that I had used all of the cable adjustment for forward which left none for reverse. I corrected the problem by disconnecting the cable from the motor, putting the throttle in full forward, then adjusting the cable to only allow the minimum adjustment needed for the full forward position. Not sure if this will apply to your setup but by all of the things you checked I can only think that it has something to do with the cable.

 

[Woodonglass]

I thought about that a bit. I've looked at the Pics and attempted to adjust the cables to what they appear to be in the old pics so they would be at the same settings they were in when they were working with the old 10 ft cables were on it when I bought it. It was working fine then. That doesn't seem to be doing the trick. I'll look into that. Don't suppose anyone has a Service Manual for a 1976 85hp Johnson?? I found one @ Amazon for $85 bucks but I hate to buy it and only use it ONCE for this issue. I called a shop and they said they'd fix it for $125 bucks. Couldn't or wouldn't tell me much over the phone. Said they'd have to take a look at it to see what the problem was. I'm hoping the guys here on the forum will come thru for me, if not I guess I'll have to take her in cuz I'm gettin no where FAST!!!!

 

[mercurymang]

WOG, have you had anyone move the controls while you watch them at the motor to see if the sheath is moving? Particularly where its secured to the block. I think 89 may be on the right track and I would guess that you problem is probably related to your cables.

 

[Woodonglass]

Thanks MM, I have done that!! everything is in Place and tightened down as should be. Nothing appears to be working incorrectly or slipping at the motor connections. It seems to be internal to the control box. As stated. It all works perfectly going into forward gear but Nada when attempting to go into reverse. Except on one particular configuration I can get the shifter to actually pull back to reverse but then the cable actually slides forward and put the motor in to forward gear. I have yet to find a combination that will pull the shifter, at the motor into reverse. I can do it manually with ease. The cable is in a configuration to where if the shifter pulled it correctly it would travel backwards and pull the shift lever into reverse position.

 

[Corjen1]

Hey Mike, I was poking around looking for similar problems found this:


Re: 1976 70hp johnson wont shift into forward

You may have a broken or streched cable. Also, if the warmup lever on the remote is out of adjustment, it wont shift.

 

[GT1000000]

Stopped by the J/E forum and left a couples pennies worth...not sure if it'll be of any help, but I had to try...:noidea:

 

[tallcanadian]

I just got all the updates today and all I got to say is ARE YOU KIDDING ME??? That Johnny looks awesome. That puppy is gonna fly around the lake. You will be the envy for sure. I can't help you with your controls, sorry but very very impressed with the job you did on the motor. Congrats.

 

[sphelps]

I'm with Lisa .. To much help karma for this to go on for to much longer . I would try and help but I'm sure it would prolly make things worse ..
Btw , Lisa .. I could use some of the #3 prayer please ! ray:

 

[Woodonglass]

Hey Mike, I was poking around looking for similar problems found this:


Re: 1976 70hp johnson wont shift into forward

You may have a broken or streched cable. Also, if the warmup lever on the remote is out of adjustment, it wont shift.

I've checked all the internal parts on the Controller and confirmed that they are in good working order. The Cables are Brand new and in perfect working condition.

 

[Corjen1]

I've checked all the internal parts on the Controller and confirmed that they are in good working order. The Cables are Brand new and in perfect working condition.

Sorry Mike , I was thinking that if the warm up leaver was out of rig, maybe that was contributing to the issue....

 

[Woodonglass]

Sorry Mike , I was thinking that if the warm up leaver was out of rig, maybe that was contributing to the issue....

No, No, don't go apologizing!!! I NEED everyone to check me. Heck, I've been tinkering with this thing so much I'm crosseyed!!! It's good to have all these questions so I can crosscheck myself and conirm that I've tried that. It's just burns my biscuits that it worked fine with the old cables and I did NOT pay attention to how they hooked up and what went where when I took em off. I usually do that but did NOT this time and look what It did to me!!! Got no one to blame but me!!! Hard Lesson to learn!! But that's why I AM an OLD DUMB OKIE!!!

 

[Sasquatch1821]

Double post

 

[Sasquatch1821]

Wood, I have been watching but don't post much. I found this video on youtube. It at least shows the operation of the controls disconnected from the motor in forward and reverse along with the warm up lever. It's not much but it may help.

I have a similar set up on my boat 76 Johnson 70hp with the same control. I'll be near it later tonight. If I can I'll take a few pics of how the controls are in the center and on the motor and post if I'm able.

later. Bryan

 

[Woodonglass]

WOW Thanks Bryan, That helps a Bunch. I know for a fact my cable action is NOT working like that and that's EXACTLY how they should work!!! I'm gunna take it off the boat and mess with em inside where its cool until they DO perform like that. THANKS SO MUCH!!!!

 

[Woodonglass]

Ok, this IS a really crappy video that I shot this morning before coming to work. Hopefully you can make sense of it. I'm trying to show how things are currently working. The bottom cable on the motor is the one thats hooked to the shift lever on the controller and the top cable on the motor is hooked to the Warm up lever on the controller. As you can see, Hopefully when I move the lever into forward gear it actually pulls the cable back and shifts the motor into reverse. When I pull the contrl lever back into reverse it pushes the cable forward and shifts the motor into forward gear. The throttle never moves. If I switch the cables then it all seems to work correctly. When I move the Controller into forward the motor shifts to forward and the throttle advances as the lever is advanced as it should. But...When I try to put it into reverse, either it won't move at all or it again moves back forward into forward gear. I am really getting agitated and confused. This is the shift lever I

replaced with the plastic gear teeth.

It says shift and thats what I have the cable connect to it connected to on the motor...the Shift lever. I believe it actually connects to the throttle linkage on the motor. But Hey, I don't know!!! I'm gunna keep pluggin away and maybe I'll luck out and stumble onto the right combination.

 

[Woodonglass]

Wood, I have been watching but don't post much. I found this video on youtube. It at least shows the operation of the controls disconnected from the motor in forward and reverse along with the warm up lever. It's not much but it may help.

I have a similar set up on my boat 76 Johnson 70hp with the same control. I'll be near it later tonight. If I can I'll take a few pics of how the controls are in the center and on the motor and post if I'm able.

later. Bryan

After watching this video, can someone tell me which way the shift lever on the Johnson motor should move when shifting into reverse? Does it move towards the prop or towards the front of the motor? If it moves towards the prop then I think I have this stinkin thing fixed!!!!!!ray::horn::triumphant:

 

[lakelover]

!!!

 

[Woodonglass]

Thanks LL, but..Ya know, I had a wrestler do that to my hand one time when I messed with his GirlFriend!!!:faint2:

 

[mercurymang]

Lookin at the way it moved in the video, it would be moving towards the prop.