"SUPER STORM" for the northeast?

[angus63]

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Day 4 of no power, heat, landline, potable water, cable, internet, and spotty cell phone. 38 deg F this morning meant seeing your breath in the kitchen. Crews from Illinois clearing trees and stringing new lines. Hopefully power this weekend. No fuel or perishable food available within 5 miles of the coast. Learning to appreciate the simple things.

 

[jigngrub]

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Day 4 of no power, heat, landline, potable water, cable, internet, and spotty cell phone. 38 deg F this morning meant seeing your breath in the kitchen. Crews from Illinois clearing trees and stringing new lines. Hopefully power this weekend. No fuel or perishable food available within 5 miles of the coast. Learning to appreciate the simple things.

Another good reason for getting out of the path of the storm before it hits, living in the aftermath can be more miserable than the storm itself.

 

[RotaryRacer]

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Day 4 of no power, heat, landline, potable water, cable, internet, and spotty cell phone. 38 deg F this morning meant seeing your breath in the kitchen. Crews from Illinois clearing trees and stringing new lines. Hopefully power this weekend. No fuel or perishable food available within 5 miles of the coast. Learning to appreciate the simple things.

Hang in there angus.

Have you had any contact with any relief organizations? Red Cross etc.?

 

[gtochris]

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Day 4 of no power, heat, landline, potable water, cable, internet, and spotty cell phone. 38 deg F this morning meant seeing your breath in the kitchen. Crews from Illinois clearing trees and stringing new lines. Hopefully power this weekend. No fuel or perishable food available within 5 miles of the coast. Learning to appreciate the simple things.

Ditto from New Jersey,
Where I am, (Lake Hopatcong area), we will be dark for many more days to come.

Gasoline is the absolute hardest thing to come by, everyone wants to run a generator 24/7 it seems to maintain normalcy however very few pumps are active, those that are- are quickly drained in an hour due to demand, people’s cars dying on the road, work might be open but no way to get in/ out!

NYC due to having so much power outage is trying to limit traffic which is causing MAJOR traffic congestion at the bridges and tunnels (3+ passengers per car to enter), It’s almost a riot!

Every part of our country deals with issues differently, North Jersey/ NY is un-fazed by a foot or two of snow, we are up and running in hours, that same storm in North Carolina would dictate a state of Emergency! FL would maybe consider what we had as "high winds" and up here it is devistating. Our Sea Walls/ inferstructure is designed to handle everything as usual, not these crazy one-off storms.

 

[Tim Frank]

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Little we can do individually from up here to help, other than express our support.
BUT...our utilities are pitching in.
Our municipal Hydro utility is sending some crews to Connecticut to help restore power.


"About a dozen Hydro Ottawa workers are headed to southwest Connecticut to help over half a million people without power after this week?s superstorm.

Thirteen power-line maintainers set out on an eight-hour journey to Newtown, Conn., on Wednesday morning, the first time Hydro Ottawa has sent crews to the United States.

?We?re sending two double-bucket trucks, two single-bucket trucks and a number of pick-up trucks,? said Hydro Ottawa CEO Bryce Conrad.

?They can pick up wire, they can string wire; they can do poles, install poles, take poles down . . . do whatever they need in terms of restoration efforts.?

It?s expected the crews will be in Connecticut for about a week, helping out the state that helped our region during 1998?s ice storm.

?I?m looking forward to an adventure and helping other people out that require our assistance,? said Steven Driscoll, one of the 13 now en route. ?It?s kind of ironic, going back to their territory.?

Read more: Hydro Ottawa workers Connecticut-bound for Sandy cleanup | CTV Ottawa News"

 

[ricohman]

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Long term is not the rebuild. Long term is financially what is going to happen. I am looking 1000ft home for 140K and my insurance is going to be 3000 thousand a year. There are homes that are going to be given away on the shore eventually because they don't meet insurance requirements. We see it now in FL.

If you are paying to insure, why would some houses be deemed not meeting requirments?

 

[dingbat]

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If you are paying to insure, why would some houses be deemed not meeting requirments?

It's all about risk. Would you insure a home knowing darn well that the next storm would cause more damage to the home than the customer paid you to insure it?

 

[dingbat]

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So, what your saying is, they (hurricanes) can have rising or dropping barometric pressure.

A storms barometric pressure is half the equation. You need a pressure differential to generate winds.

The air from high-pressure systems (cold air) flows to the low-pressure centers (warm air) in an attempt to equalize the pressure. It is this flow of air from one pressure system to the other that generates the winds. The greater the pressure inversion between the two areas the greater the wind speeds. A 880mb storm in an 880mb ambient atmosphere produces no wind. A 970mb storm in an 1170mb ambient atmosphere will scream.

In Sandy?s case, a much larger low-pressure system (967mb) had moved into the area from the west a day earlier so the pressure differential was not great enough to generate higher wind speeds. In the end, the much larger low over powered Sandy and collapsed its cyclonic engine (powered by convection) turning it into a post-tropical cyclone (powered by pressure inversion) prior to landfall. Soon there after Sandy was absorbed into the area of low pressure and became the Super storm.

 

[tallcanadian]

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Day 4 of no power, heat, landline, potable water, cable, internet, and spotty cell phone. 38 deg F this morning meant seeing your breath in the kitchen. Crews from Illinois clearing trees and stringing new lines. Hopefully power this weekend. No fuel or perishable food available within 5 miles of the coast. Learning to appreciate the simple things.

I'm sorry for your sorrow, angus. Keep bundled up. I'm sure it won't be too long. Think about boating and next spring. That might get you to your happy place.

 

[bassman284]

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If you are paying to insure, why would some houses be deemed not meeting requirments?

It's all about risk. Would you insure a home knowing darn well that the next storm would cause more damage to the home than the customer paid you to insure it?

Which is the main reason that flood insurance is almost entirely subsidized by the federal government. Without that subsidy, there would be no flood insurance. The only people who buy flood insurance are those likely to need it.

 

[kahuna123]

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BS move to Florida and see who pays for it. Forgive me I really feel bad for who got hurt. But I've been paying 5 grand for the same coverage that some have been paying 500 for years even after claims. Maybe now the "money" will change.

 

[V153]

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BS move to Florida and see who pays for it

Heh heh. Yeah it's wonderful news to hear the Feds are gonna pay my flood insurance bill. Uhh, when exactly are they gonna start ...?

 

[jigngrub]

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Heh heh. Yeah it's wonderful news to hear the Feds are gonna pay my flood insurance bill. Uhh, when exactly are they gonna start ...?

They don't pay the bill, they pay the claims.

We all know why Florida homeowners insurance is high... because Florida is a hurricane magnet.

I'm sure you could get much cheaper insurance if you'd move to central Mississippi or Ohio.

 

[bassman284]

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They don't pay the bill, they pay the claims.

We all know why Florida homeowners insurance is high... because Florida is a hurricane magnet.

I'm sure you could get much cheaper insurance if you'd move to central Mississippi or Ohio.

Yeah, I thought that would be understood. My mistake. Might be instructive to Google "Flood Insurance" and find out how it works.

Most people in the US don't have flood insurance because they don't live in flood plains. Your premium is based on your flood risk and whether you cover a certain amount of replacement value or just cover the mortgage. For instance, do not have flood insurance because it would take a Noah's Ark event to flood me and, of course, my banker doesn't require it.

 

[V153]

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So lemme get this straight. I pay premiums to my insurance company for flood insurance. But in the event of a catastrophy the Feds, meaning us taxpayers, are gonna foot the bill for my claim. Really. Then what the hell do I need an insurance company for?!

 

[jigngrub]

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The flood insurance is government subsidized, they pay a portion of the claim.

Insurance is just a bet, you're betting something is going to happen and they're betting something isn't. The more risk prone you are, the higher the premiums... and since Florida is flat and surrounded by water on 3 sides, there's a fair rish that something is going to happen.

... then there's the crime rate in Florida...

 

[V153]

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Insurance is just a bet, you're betting something is going to happen and they're betting something isn't

Okay fair enough, but who's holding the pot. Seen some wind'n waves but been in my house, dutifully paying premiums, for going on 22 yrs now'n never had to file a claim. Sounds like a purty safe bet for the insurance company?

 

[JoLin]

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Okay fair enough, but who's holding the pot. Seen some wind'n waves but been in my house, dutifully paying premiums, for going on 22 yrs now'n never had to file a claim. Sounds like a purty safe bet for the insurance company?

It's a 'safe bet' only until a freakish event like Sandy takes your place out. All of my waterfront friends have done the same as you- paid premiums for decades without a claim. They're making claims now that far exceed the $$ amount of the premiums they've paid. Claims in southern NY and NJ will reach into the billions, IMO.

Angus, hang in there, bud. As of yesterday, half of those impacted on LI (about a million folks total) had power restored.

I was very, very lucky. Aside from spotty power outages for a few hours during the storm, I've been essdentially unaffected and I'm very thankful for that. I found out yesterday that Escapade II emerged unscathed. I still can't get to her, but I understand from the marina owner that even my mooring cover survived without a scratch.

 

[aspeck]

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Glad you made it through unscathed, JoLin! Yeah! Also wishing the best for Angus and his family. Praying for strength and peace for the extended Angus clan.

 

[angus63]

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Thanks for the good thoughts guys. Power came on last night for 2 hrs but is on and off as repairs to the area progress. So many homes still are full of water that the power company is fearful of electricuting people.
Jolin ... Good news for you! I am in Lindenhurst by Montauk Hwy so you know what conditions are like here. The National Guard is doing a great job. Went around with them yesterday filling jerry jugs with fuel from destroyed boats. Getting fuel and non perishable food is key goal now. Water truck in town was a welcome sight. Repairs to home underway. Found most of my missing parts scatterred around. I am so fortunate as compared to many. Have a warm dry home this morning.