"SUPER STORM" for the northeast?

[DayCruiser]

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I was watching this scientist on CNN. The Gray haired Chinese guy who is on many of the Universe shows. He was saying this was a type storm rarely seen before. Very much different than your average Hurricane, not because of wind speeds, but because it was 800 miles wide. Hurricane hunters found tropical storm winds out 250 miles and the hunter said that was the widest he has seen in his 5 years of being on the job. The weather channel showed the circulation at 1200 miles, reaching all the way down to Florida. The science guy said this was due to several factors coming to together at once--Jet stream and other low pressure systems. This storm had a tremendous amount of energy spread out over a wide area. When it hit New Jersey we were getting winds and clouds from it way down in SC. The storm had a lot of power to push a major storm surge. Barometric pressure was very low for a storm that just was 90 mph at its center. We also had a dramatic drop in our pressure when the storm went onshore. 18 or 19 states have been effected including causing a blizzard in a state 100s of miles away. High wind damage in Indiana while the storm was still in PA! So yea it was a Monster storm in it size and scope. So they got it right in my opinion. This was a unique storm that caused a lot of damage. The damage to New Jersey is unreal. Trees down everywhere. Extensive flooding. NYC got quite a bit of wind damage and storm surge. The Hype definitely matched this storm. Many now wish they had evacuated like they were told to do. I think the cost will be much higher that $20 billion when the assessment is finished. True, Summer time southern Hurricanes with 110+ winds, carrying thunderstorms and tornadoes are a different breed of destruction

 

[angus63]

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Phone works this morning. Daylight makes it real again. Every voicemail I had this morning had or brought tears.

 

[jigngrub]

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Many now wish they had evacuated like they were told to do.

This is always the case with major hurricanes.

 

[gtochris]

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In this case, media 'hype' in this area was dead-on accurate, and mandatory evacuation of waterfront communities saved a lot of lives. I have no idea if Escapade II made it through, and probably won't know before the weekend. It's impossible to get into most areas along the south shore of LI, which is where my marina and boat are. I've lived on LI all my life (59 years), and I've never seen anything to equal this.

My .02

I have to agree, I'm the first to blow off the media and news accounts, but by Monday afternoon you could tell it was going to be something much more extreme than ever before- It could be felt in the air. They were dead on with the predictions.

 

[64osby]

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Sending prayers out to everyone Mid Atlantic and NE. Hope everyone is safe and sound.

Property can always be replaced. Yes, that even means boats.

Whom ever says this wasn't a big storm, it created 15' to 20' waves on Lake Michigan 800 miles from where it came a shore.

 

[Thalasso]

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Nice to see everyone/family is okay.

 

[Thalasso]

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Hurricanes and North’ Easters are areas of low pressure. The pressure drops, not climbs.

Barometric pressure values do not reflect wind speeds. The wind speed of a hurricane depends on both its size and how rapidly the pressure drops as the hurricane's center approaches. Thus, a hurricane in an environment of high pressure will have stronger winds than a hurricane in an environment of low pressure, even if they have identical central pressures. While Sandy's pressure was low, so was the surrounding atomsphere, thus the low wind speeds in relation to pressure.

Sandy made landfall as a post-tropical cyclone with sub-75 MPH winds. Sure, lots of damage, at least on the north side of the storm, but hardly the monster storm it's being made out to be by the media. Had a category 3 storm like Katrina (111-130 mph) or a cat 5 like Camille (155 mph+) came on shore last night and passed within 40 miles of the house, I sure as heck wouldn't be at my keyboard this evening.

So, what your saying is, they (hurricanes) can have rising or dropping barometric pressure.

So the central pressure and pressure tendencies (rising, falling, or no change) are a good gauge for hurricane strength now and in the near future.
Lower pressures correspond to higher winds so a hurricane with a 935mb central pressure will be a major one (Cat 3 or 4) while one with 990mb central pressure will likely be only a “weak” (Category 1) hurricane.

However, there is not an exact relationship. The surrounding pressure structures, storm size, upper level winds, etc. all come in to play. For example, Alex's 947mb central pressure yielded winds of 105mph; other hurricanes such as Alma in 1966 generated 125mph winds with a considerably higher central pressure of 970mb.Sandy's was 940

 

[Thalasso]

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The Day - New London residents get front row seat on damage, drama of storm | News from southeastern Connecticut

 

[DayCruiser]

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What I found amazing was around 80 something miles away from the coast the Hurricane had picked up wind speed from 75mph to 90 mph. A little before that it had picked up forward motion speed to 28 mph. Many times a Hurricane will slow down just before it hits shore and the friction of the land will cause wind speed to slow down also. The storm picked up and and wind strength. The main reason I think was because it hit a high pressure system that made it turn west and also made it spin faster? You have a low from coming from the west and that will also usually block a Hurricane. But looks like the Hurricane won this time with the help of the High pressure. Combine the speed with New Jersey high tide. Then it went inland and the winds shifted toward NYC high tide. Just a huge mistake to build and live along rivers and Oceans unless you are sitting way up high

 

[Tail_Gunner]

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Ive watched this now for day's. Big problems on the horizon..not only the devistation and personal loss. Newyork's subway is a loss 8 million people?? can't commute in that city. This will become a nightmare

 

[64osby]

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The Day - New London residents get front row seat on damage, drama of storm | News from southeastern Connecticut

Earlier in the day, others who live in the same area behind Harbor Club said they watched Shane Carrier, their 31-year-old neighbor, use a shotgun as he tried to sink a boat in the water that was threatening his house at 204 Pequot Ave. The home sits right on the river.

Police charged Carrier with unlawful discharge of a firearm, interfering with an officer, breach of peace, weapons in a motor vehicle and carrying a shotgun in a vehicle. He was released on a $25,000 bond.

Maybe he should have just pulled the plug. I'm sure he is regretting his actions now.

 

[Yacht Dr.]

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Storm Surge Overview

I guess we should trust NOAA

"The impact on surge of the low pressure associated with intense storms is minimal in comparison to the water being forced toward the shore by the wind."

Not sure where I got 485 and 450 from! :facepalm:

1013-951 = 62 which is equivalent to 24" water

If you mean by 2 feet of Rising ocean all around the storm eye Minimal .. then yea I dont trust NOAA. A wave/wake that breaks over a sea wall head is still damaging time after time. But a 2 foot Dead Rise of the Water would create a Flood.

As far as this thing being Over Hyped .. I dont think so. In fact it might have been a little under-hyped where I live ( MI ). Nobody really even payed much attention to this storm here. When I suggested that everyone secure there lawn gear and loose items around there house all I heard was " for what ? .. hurricane ? what hurricane ? Bah.. thats way over there on the east coast. Its gonna be nothing to us ". Wrong they were. Here in the Detroit area we had trash cans + trash flying across the streets. Tree limbs falling on your car while driving. Everyone now saying .. "wow...this is kinda crazy.."

I hope everyone is safe.

Next time when they say "Big storm commin' your way" be on the safe side of things eh. The storm might hit YOU in that sweet spot. You never know.. and They never know Exactly where things will hit the fan.

YD.

 

[bruceb58]

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then yea I dont trust NOAA.

YD.

LOL...its not just NOAAA that states this. Of course Yacht Dr knows a heck of lot more than the scientists whose job it is to know these things.

 

[DayCruiser]

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LOL...its not just NOAAA that states this. Of course Yacht Dr knows a heck of lot more than the scientists whose job it is to know these things.

I said rarely but the science guy actually said "never" seen before. I guess he means since people have been keeping records of storms

 

[kahuna123]

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Wow I was wrong. you guys are gonna get hard east around high tide.

Down here we consider NOAA idiots. Or anyone who listens to them idiots. This time they were close. What I cant figure out was how bad the weather channel missed buy. Battery Park? That coverage was embarrassing. Wow the jersey shore is 13 ft under and they were standing there looking at the seawall. And when it did come over it went 50 ft in the park. Wow did you see the garbage can that got loose?

 

[DayCruiser]

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I wouldn't call them idiots. Just impossible to forecast the path of a Hurricane 99% of the time. Hurricanes are like one of those spinning tops you tie a string to and pull. Looks to me like they are constantly updating the forecast path hourly because a Hurricane has a mind of its own. Ya we sure didn't get the scope of the disaster going on from the WC coverage for sure. CNN mainly focused on the dayum Crane LOL

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Wow I was wrong. you guys are gonna get hard east around high tide.

Down here we consider NOAA idiots. Or anyone who listens to them idiots. This time they were close. What I cant figure out was how bad the weather channel missed buy. Battery Park? That coverage was embarrassing. Wow the jersey shore is 13 ft under and they were standing there looking at the seawall. And when it did come over it went 50 ft in the park. Wow did you see the garbage can that got loose?

 

[jigngrub]

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I'm pretty sure you get the scope of the disaster after the storm has passed.

 

[kahuna123]

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Long term is not the rebuild. Long term is financially what is going to happen. I am looking 1000ft home for 140K and my insurance is going to be 3000 thousand a year. There are homes that are going to be given away on the shore eventually because they don't meet insurance requirements. We see it now in FL.

 

[V153]

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I'm pretty sure you get the scope of the disaster after the storm has passed.

A sobering experience to say the least. Been there. Reminds us of just how insignificant we are in the eyes of Mother Nature.

 

[bowman316]

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I remember watching a show on the history channel about a hurricane in the 1910's down in galveston, TX. They had no clue it was comming until that day. And basically the island of Galveston got turned into the open ocean. And the show reinacted how those people had to deal with it. A non was taking care of 10 children, and tied them all together, and they tried to swim to safety, once they were flooded out. and they all died i think.

That show really showed me what can happen if you are in the wrong place during a bad hurricane. anyone on that island during that storm was basically dead. you don't think something like that can happen till it does.