Love, Necessity and Pride

[friderday]

Re: Love, Necessity and Pride

Thank you for the Mother's day shout out, Gus. I wanted to chime in on Kiwi Grip. My son used that on his restore a couple of years ago. It went on with great ease, water clean up, & very expensive. He doesn't use his boat as much as I do mine, & I'm sorry to say I have not been impressed with it. It has been quite easy to scuff up & has a few stains that won't come clean. My 2 pennies, not that they're worth much, is not to consider this as an option. This would also explain why I did what I did on my casting deck (& will do soon on the rest of the deck). Too much $$$$ for half-arsed results, IMHO. Glad to hear ya gettin' better..

 

[Decker83]

Re: Love, Necessity and Pride

Sorry to hear about the shoulder.. Glad to hear it's getting better..

The plywood looks great.. Your are getting her done..

 

[Trooper82]

Re: Love, Necessity and Pride

Rest the shoulder Gus, you are gonna need it...decks are coming along nicely!

i just put two coats of Rutoleum Restore 10x on the front porch. If I could mimmick the texture on a Deck, I'd do it in a heartbeat. I imagine gel coat with fine sandn it, applied with those open cell honeycomb type rollers that go with the 10x would give about the same texture. Now I think I have some experimenting to do.

 

[GT1000000]

Re: Love, Necessity and Pride

I personally would go with a "paint on" product for a fiberglass boat deck finish. Gel coat, Durabak, Kiwi Grip... something like that.

Since you have to tab your decking to the hull there is no "wrapping around" for a vinyl sheet product, and I'd be damned if I was going to penetrate my new glassed in decking with a couple hundred screw holes for edge strips to hold the vinyl.

I would tab and glass everything like it's supposed to be and then fair out and sand the seams and bumps and choose a nice light colored paint on product, something in a light gray for your color scheme probably.

You make some very good points, jig...good thing I still have a ways to go before I have to make a final decision...lots to think about.

The BA has some serious angles to cut and get right. That looks like 3/4" too, good and strong stuff and I don't see much in the way of eyes and filler either. Looking good :thumb:

Thanks WM, it is definitely some nice stuff, has a few knotty voids on the bottom face, but that's the "C" side, get it?, "C" side...:lol:...
Oh and I went with 1/2 thick to keep the weight down and will add structural support underneath it as needed...

Thank you for the Mother's day shout out, Gus. I wanted to chime in on Kiwi Grip. My son used that on his restore a couple of years ago. It went on with great ease, water clean up, & very expensive. He doesn't use his boat as much as I do mine, & I'm sorry to say I have not been impressed with it. It has been quite easy to scuff up & has a few stains that won't come clean. My 2 pennies, not that they're worth much, is not to consider this as an option. This would also explain why I did what I did on my casting deck (& will do soon on the rest of the deck). Too much $$$$ for half-arsed results, IMHO. Glad to hear ya gettin' better..

You're very welcome!
Thanks for the info on the Kiwi Grip...still something else to look into...

Sorry to hear about the shoulder.. Glad to hear it's getting better..

The plywood looks great.. Your are getting her done..

Thank you, Sir!
Sure feels good to be moving forward, even if it is at a snails pace...

Rest the shoulder Gus, you are gonna need it...decks are coming along nicely!

i just put two coats of Rutoleum Restore 10x on the front porch. If I could mimmick the texture on a Deck, I'd do it in a heartbeat. I imagine gel coat with fine sandn it, applied with those open cell honeycomb type rollers that go with the 10x would give about the same texture. Now I think I have some experimenting to do.

That is some good thinking there, sir...I would be very interested to see the outcome of any pending experiments...

Hope the work week flies...I have some work to do on my boat...
Happy Monday, Iboaters...

 

[Willyclay]

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Oh and I went with 1/2 thick to keep the weight down and will add structural support underneath it as needed...

Seriously, this is from the guy who already admits to 42 gallons of resin with no end in sight? Just kidding Gus because I think you are right on track to do this once, very thoroughly, and never have to worry about your bass boat again! Which brings to mind the thought I had looking at your latest pictures of the casting platforms. Is it really a Black Ops, high-speed, water recovery craft for drones?

 

[GT1000000]

Re: Love, Necessity and Pride

Seriously, this is from the guy who already admits to 42 gallons of resin with no end in sight? Just kidding Gus because I think you are right on track to do this once, very thoroughly, and never have to worry about your bass boat again!

Yeah right? after I wrote that I was thinking, now that is a really oxymoronic statement I made there...:facepalm:

Which brings to mind the thought I had looking at your latest pictures of the casting platforms. Is it really a Black Ops, high-speed, water recovery craft for drones?

:spy:Shhhhhhhh, Top secret info like that gets out in the open...:spy:

 

[friderday]

Re: Love, Necessity and Pride

Troop-that's exactly what I did on my casting deck & will do on the rest of the deck after seat install. Couple coats of gel, sifted some fine sand thru my aquarium tank net, & another coat of gel. Haven't put it to the "test" yet, but when I do I will update my thread. Gus will get the wheels turning on this & figure out something epic, I am sure.

 

[jbcurt00]

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It's a good trade off, IMO, just like the ply/foam/2X sandwich for bow structure stringers. Weight saved in 1 area negates some of the added weight elsewhere, like adding another layer of glass across the entire bottom of the hull. Not unlike the balsa core boat hulls.

Who fab'd their own I-joist style stringers? Decker? Plenty of structural rigidity/support and lighter weight. Also a good plan...

 

[bigdirty]

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:spy:Shhhhhhhh, Top secret info like that gets out in the open...:spy:

heh.. I'll keep my eye on you from now on.. just wait, we'll see a 300+hp motor 'appear out of nowhere' on the back one day.. then we will all know... :lol:

Just caught up on this thread, hope you are healing up alright man.. you gota rest up that arm for all that great fishing you're eventually gona do in this tub! :laugh:

 

[zool]

Re: Love, Necessity and Pride

Sweet GT, screw the bass, you got yourseft a rough water flats boat there!!....I see Tarpon spashing off the stern

 

[GT1000000]

Re: Love, Necessity and Pride

Troop-that's exactly what I did on my casting deck & will do on the rest of the deck after seat install. Couple coats of gel, sifted some fine sand thru my aquarium tank net, & another coat of gel. Haven't put it to the "test" yet, but when I do I will update my thread. Gus will get the wheels turning on this & figure out something epic, I am sure.

Don't know about epic and all what not, but stuff is a brewin in da pot 'o idears...

It's a good trade off, IMO, just like the ply/foam/2X sandwich for bow structure stringers. Weight saved in 1 area negates some of the added weight elsewhere, like adding another layer of glass across the entire bottom of the hull. Not unlike the balsa core boat hulls.

Who fab'd their own I-joist style stringers? Decker? Plenty of structural rigidity/support and lighter weight. Also a good plan...

I think subconsciously or through osmosis I must Have picked up that idea from Decker...

heh.. I'll keep my eye on you from now on.. just wait, we'll see a 300+hp motor 'appear out of nowhere' on the back one day.. then we will all know... :lol:

Just caught up on this thread, hope you are healing up alright man.. you gota rest up that arm for all that great fishing you're eventually gona do in this tub! :laugh:

Thanks for the good thoughts, BD...seems like it'll be OK, given a few years...seems to take longer the more ancient one gets...

And keep in mind if I do get GAO approval for the black Ops funding to purchase the 300 Verado, they are going to insist I camouflage it with a 150HP cowling...

Sweet GT, screw the bass, you got yourseft a rough water flats boat there!!....I see Tarpon spashing off the stern

Hmmmm, maybe someday I'll get the courage to let this 'ol Tower of Power taste the salt of the sea......
Although I gotta admit, Bass might be a bit tastier than Tarpon...now if I was to hook me some Permit, Red Snapper, Yellow Tail or maybe sneak a Grouper or two in the live well...
Actually, what I really need to do is finish this floating fiberglass bucket and catch a high fever of MBS and convince the Admiral that what we really need is a nice cruiser like you, GWPSR, bigdirty and others are workin on...yeah, that's the ticket...

Oh yeah, almost forgot...the reason for all this jibber jabber...
The 8th fiver of resin [that's gallon # 42 for those of you keeping track...] is in the house, along with 8 more yards of 1.5oz. CSM
Gonna try and get some water resistant wrap-age done on some of the casting deck blanks...
Pics proving yet to be obtained progress soon to follow...
Happy 2nd T-day...!

PS-As an afterthought, I was just thinking that it would be nice if I could finish this boat before I reach the 50th gallon of resin...not making any promises just yet, but it sure would be nice...don't ya think...

 

[sphelps]

Re: Love, Necessity and Pride

^^^ Yep , time to get splashed with something other than poly resin ^^^ :joyous:

 

[GT1000000]

Wow! Interesting new look to the forum...gonna take a bit to get used to...
Mostly I am glad it is back...I was starting to get cold sweats and the shakes from withdrawals...
Was a fairly productive weekend and now I can finally post about it...
As previously mentioned, I had picked up some resin and CSM to encapsulate the new casting deck sections...
Got to the shop early Saturday and started laying out the CSM on the deck sections and almost immediately realized that I was going to come up short on CSM...
Thankfully my supplier is only 15 minutes away, so hopped in the van and went to pick up 5 more yards of CSM...
Hauled back to the shop and started out by rounding over all the edges...
Shot a short video of the process...

Then I started using resin as fast as I could...
My original calculations led me to believe that the 5 gallons I had on hand would be enough to completely encapsulate all four major sections of the fore and aft casting deck blanks and still have enough left over for a few odds and ends...
WRONG!
Turns out I used up all but about a liter and still have the top of the rear casting deck left to encapsulate...sheesh!
Anyhow, I got most of it done and now I can start to see what this tub-o-glass is gonna really start looking like...

Here is the top side of the rear casting deck blank that will remain without its encapsulating CSM until more resin is brought in...only the bottom face has CSM and the top face has a coat of "soak-in" resin...



The front three sections encapsulated top and bottom, baking in the sun...



And here is what it is starting to look like...





This last pic is of the step riser getting the top edge encapsulated in CSM...I had not done this before and after sitting in the sun for a couple of months, it began to show proof of why using resin alone is pretty much useless...it had started to actually de-laminate in a small section and was already beginning to turn black from the beginnings of rot...amazing how persistent rot is...I dug out any bad stuff, flushed it thoroughly with acetone, blew it out, poured a few drops of thickened resin into the void, then covered it all in CSM...



Welp, that's all I got fer now...hope everyone had an awesome weekend and may the upcoming weekend be here SOON!
Happy 2'sday

 

[jbcurt00]

Yep, aircraft carrier deck going in........... Looks great, nice work

 

[sphelps]

:cold:Yep ' same here with the iboats withdrawal ! Looking good Gus ! Will ya have any type ram hinge to help support the rod locker hatch ?
Glad to have the forum back up and running !
Hmmm smilie's are not landing where I stuck them . Jumped to the top ..

 

[GT1000000]

Yep, aircraft carrier deck going in........... Looks great, nice work

Still awaiting gubmint approval for my purchase order of 15 F-18 Hornets...surplus of course...:madgrin:

 

[GT1000000]

:cold:Yep ' same here with the iboats withdrawal ! Looking good Gus ! Will ya have any type ram hinge to help support the rod locker hatch ?
Glad to have the forum back up and running !
Hmmm smilie's are not landing where I stuck them . Jumped to the top ..

Gotta make sure the blinking cursor thingy is in the place you want your smiley to appear, I think, maybe...

Actually thinking along the lines of installing a SS piano hinge along the front edge, using two 20-40 pound gas springs to help open and close, similar to what is used on car hood and hatchbacks, and a locking latch at the rear...

 

[GT1000000]

OK...Let's try this again...for the 5th time...

Been trying to post a minimal update for the last week or so and just wasn't allowed by the forum quirks...let's see if this time, it will let me do this thing...

For starters...

Right Arm Injury status: really screwed it up last week while trying to prevent big butt from slamming into ground due to wet tile floor and loss of traction...tried to stop gravity with of all things, my bad right arm...:doh:

Spent about 6-7 hours writhing in major pain until it calmed down enough to let me get some sleep at about 4 AM...had to take the next couple of days off of work...

That was last Wednesday Night, Thursday and Friday...spent the weekend doing minor chores, while alternating between Ice and Heat treatments on the arm...

Finally Monday went back to work, had a light duty day and as the arm warmed up it began to feel better...fast forward to today and it is feeling serviceable but I need to keep from putting too much stress on it to prevent it from getting re-injured...

Time, patience, Ben-Gay, Tiger Balm, Icy Hot, Ice Packs, NSAIDS, Rest, and the healing power of the body will eventually make this a thing of the past...

Actual boat progress has been minimal to say the least, but some minor accomplishments have been achieved...

Well, sort of...

One of the reasons for this post is to show why it is absolutely necessary to completely encapsulate our plywood substructure in polyester resin AND either cloth, mat or thickened resin...or why resin alone is pretty much useless to prevent rot and prevent water intrusion...

Even the dead wood that is used in plywood construction continues expand and contract for ever due to changes in temperature and humidity, because of that, using resin alone to try and seal the plywood is pointless, since resin alone, when cured is just as brittle as glass, and when the wood contracts/expands, the resin cracks and allows moisture to penetrate the wood and begin the infestation of rot...

A few posts ago I mentioned that I had discovered some rot on the top edge of the step riser and had cleaned out the affected areas, filled with some slightly thickened resin and wrapped some CSM over the top...what I had failed to do is take pictures of the rot infestation...

Well fear not my fellow iboaters...I have more rot...

Keep in mind the rot on the above mentioned step riser started to appear only a few months after the installation of said piece...

The rot that has begun to appear lately is on the cross brace that I installed over two years ago...I thought I had properly encapsulated the front edge of it with CSM at the time of installation...

Incorrectamundo!!!
As the following pictures will illustrate...
The only reason I can think of that it took longer for the rot to rear its ugly head on this particular piece, is the orientation of the exposed edge is horizontal...









These areas will eventually be treated to the usual removal of the bad, followed by the introduction of the thickened resin and required CSM to eradicate this rot!

Another minor milestone is the acquisition and test application of Sherwin Williams Tile-Clad HS Epoxy White paint to a small section of the bilge area...

First coat, awaiting the application of a second coat...



Well hopefully this post actually makes it and I also hope that all of my iboats comrades are having a great Humpday!

May the weekend be upon us all swiftly and may the boating fun continue!
Later, y'all...

 

[ahmincha]

Sorry to hear about you reinjury gt Bilge area looks good
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[jbcurt00]

Good looking bilge, bummer about the arm & finding some rot.

Rest the arm & by the time the forum stops choking & gagging regularly, the arm will be back in shape :watermelon:

HAPPY HUMP DAY: