Hunting party Slaughtered, 6 killed, 2 wounded

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Wille making friends again.(snic)<br /><br />Yeah weez all kkk members here, ...how did you get in here with[out]edit) a hood?....same ole liberal play book...
 

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Originally posted by oddjob:<br /> Wille making friends again.(snic)<br /><br />Yeah weez all kkk members here, ...how did you get in here with a hood?....same ole liberal play book... [/QUOTE<br /><br />Thanx oddjob, needed a lift after my last post here. Keyboard got hot.....
 

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Originally posted by NYMINUTE:<br /> ..If 6 minorities (of any variety) had been killed there would be marches protests and riots.<br /> Can that be Understood??
If there is anyone here that believes different of NYM's statement.. I feel sorry for your ignorance.<br /><br />good statement to bring out NYM.. ;)
 

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CNN>"Barron County Sheriff Tom Richie said the victims were "well-known, well-respected members of the community."
 

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Lets just suppose for a minute it happened the way the perp claims... They insult him, he turns to leave, at 40 yds they fire a warning shot. he opens fire on them ...None of witch I believe for a moment except possably a slur was uttered but even that is very questionable in my mind. Why did he return? why did he persue them? why did he reload after the only one that was armed had been shot? Is this racial....NO. If the perp were of the same race as the victim it would still be the same unexplicable horrer.<br /><br />Why does the perp plauy the race card, I suppose for him to justify his actions in his own mind.<br /><br />But why anyone else would DEFEND his actions with the race card is beyond bizzare it is absurd!!!
 

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After reading some of the comments on this thread, seems to me there's a few here ready to don flour sacks and burn crosses. I'd hoped we'd grown-up as a nation since that dark time. Apparently not. <br />
Dear Mr. Willy. I am insulted and offended by your remarks. You sir are the one who appears to be rascist and biggoted against whites. In fact, everyting you post is an insult to thinking forum members.
 

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Funny, I thought he was an American...
 

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Cut and paste from www.wcco.com Channel 4 news site, I am not validating this but WOW ....<br /><br />The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, meanwhile, quoted a Clark County Sheriff's Department detective as saying authorities are looking into whether Vang might have been involved in the unsolved slaying of another deer hunter three years agos. <br /><br />Detective Kerry Kirn said the probe involved the Nov. 23, 2001, shooting death of Jim Southworth as he hunted on family land near Neillsville, about 80 miles from this week's shooting.
 

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Vang was a 6 year veteran of the California Reserve/Guard or US Army. (Report was a little sketchy)
 

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http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/news/1025er County Probable Cause Statement in case of Chai Soua Vang, released Nov. 23, 2004<br /><br />Editors note: The below information contains graphic information and content some people may consider offensive.<br /><br /><br />Probable Cause Statement<br />Chai Soua Vang 09-24-1968<br />810 4th Street<br />St. Paul, MN 55106<br /><br />On November 21, 2004 at 12:30 p.m. Sawyer County Sheriff's investigator Gary Gillis was contacted by chief deputy Tim Zeigle who advised that there has been a shooting with multiple victims in southern Sawyer County. Chief Deputy Tim Zeigle requested that investigator Gary Gillis respond to the scene.<br /><br /><br />November 21, 2004 was the second day of the 2004 Wisconsin rifle deer season.<br /><br /><br />Investigator Gary Gillis was advised that the incident occurred in the woods behind a cabin at 394N Deer Lake Road in the town of Meteor in Sawyer County, Wisconsin. Investigator Gary Gillis learned that there had been some sort of dispute that developed between a hunting party at 394N Deer Lake Road and at the time an unknown male subject of Asian descent. Reports indicated that the Asian male wandered onto property owned by Terry Willers and Robert Crotteau. The Asian male was located sitting in a tree stand on the private property. The asian male was confronted by Terry Willers and told by Willers to leave the property. Willers used a walkie talkie to advise the rest of the hunting party that were located at the cabin that Willers told the subject to leave and Willers was going to wait and make sure the subject left. <br /><br /><br />Lauren Hesebeck was able to provide the following information. At this point Robert Crotteau, Joe Crotteau, Lauren Hesebeck, Dennis Drew and Mark Roidt left the cabin and went to Willers location. During another verbal exchange with the Asian male one of the members of the property owner's party wrote the back tag number of the Asian male subject in the dirt on a "mule" which is a 2 side-by-side seat ATV. The back tag number that was written down was 0685505. The Asian male was also advised that law enforcement was going to be called. <br /><br /><br />Records check of the back tag indicated that the tag was registered to Chai Vang 09-24-1968, 810 4th ST E, St Paul MN 55106. 5'04" 145 lbs black hair and brown eyes. Vang was later arrested and was in possession of this back tag. The Asian male from this point will be referred to as Vang. <br /><br /><br />Vang started to walk a way and got approximately 40 yards a way. Then Vang appeared to remove the scope from his rifle and turned around and started shooting. Vang shot several times and hit Willers. Prior to being shot Willers returned fire but did not hit Vang. Vang shot several more shots and struck Dennis Drew and Mark Roidt. Lauren Hesebeck attempted to hide behind the "mule" but Vang moved around the "mule" and shot Lauren Hesebeck in the shoulder. Robert and Joe Crotteau ran away from the scene. Vang then pursued Robert and Joe. Both Robert and Joe were located away from the initial scene and had been shot to death. <br /><br /><br />While Vang was pursuing Robert and Joe, Lauren Hesebeck was able to call on the walkie talkie to the cabin and advised that he had been shot and needed help. Help arrived and removed Terry Willers from the scene. A short time later Lauren heard another ATV approaching and then heard more gun shots. Lauren advised that Vang then appeared again where the shooting originally started. Lauren Hesebeck heard Vang say something like "one of you fuc kers are still alive". Lauren Hesebeck indicated that he returned fire at that time but is unsure how many times. <br /><br /><br />Robert Crotteau, Joey Crotteau, Mark Roidt, Jessica Willers and Allan Laski were all deceased at the scene from what appeared to be gun shot wounds.<br /><br /><br />Terry Willers was shot in the neck and was taken to the hospital. Dennis Drew was shot in the abdomen and was transported to the hospital. Lauren Hesebeck was shot in the shoulder and was transported to the hospital.<br /><br /><br />On November 22, 2004 investigator Gary Gillis was advised that Dennis Drew had also died from the wound he received.<br /><br /><br />Vang was later apprehended by Wisconsin DNR Warden Jeremy Peery. Vang was still in possession of his hunting gear, including back tag and also his rifle. The rifle was a Saiga SKS 7.62x39 caliber, serial number HO-3104079. Vang did not have any ammunition with him when taken into custody. Vang made no comments to Warden Peery.<br /><br /><br />On November 22, 2004 at approximately 10:15 a.m. investigator Gary Gillis and FBI agent Ken Mammoser interviewed Chai Vang at the Sawyer County Jail. Vang was read his Miranda rlghts which Vang indicated that he understood and also signed the form indicating that he understood them. Investigator Gary Gillis also asked Vang if Vang could read and write the English language. Vang stated that he could. Investigator Gary Gillis asked Vang to read out loud the waiver of Miranda rights. Vang read the waiver out loud to investigator Gary Gillis and S/A Mammoser. Vang stated that he understood the waiver but at this time wished to talk to a lawyer first before making a statement. At this point the interview ended.<br /><br /><br />At approximately 10:30 a.m. Investigator Gary Gillis was contacted by the on duty jailer. Investigator Gary Gillis was advised that while jailer Frank Metzinger was going to move Vang back to Vang's cell, Vang advised Metzinger that Vang was willing to talk to investigators. Investigator Gary Gillis advised Lt. Kurt Barthel of this and advised that the request by Vang needed to be in writing. Lt. Barthel then met with Vang and gave Vang a Sawyer County Jail inmate request form. Vang wrote out and signed the form. Vang wrote "I would like to talk to the investigator now. I don't want a lawyer at this time." Investigator Gary Gillis and S/A Mammoser again met with Vang in the interview room at the Sawyer County Jail. Investigator Gary Gillis showed Vang the inmate request form and asked Vang if Vang had filled it out and signed it. Vang indicated that he did. Investigator Gary Gillis advised Vang that Investigator Gary Gillis needed to read Vang his Miranda rights again. Vang stated that he understood. Investigator Gary Gillis read the Miranda rights and Vang stated that he understood his rights. Investigator Gary Gillis then advised Vang to read the waiver of rights which Vang did and signed the waiver of rights at 10:35 a.m. indicating that Vang wanted to talk with investigator Gary Gillis and S/A Mammoser.<br /><br /><br />Vang stated that Vang had been hunting on public land and got lost. Vang stated that Vang located a tree stand next to a swamp. Nobody was in the stand so Vang climbed into it. Vang stated that after approximately 15 minutes another hunter approached Vang. the hunter asked Vang "Why are you in the stand, you're on private property," Vang stated that Vang told the subject that Vang did not know that the land was private and that Vang did not see any "no trespassing" signs. Vang stated that Vang climbed down and started to walk away. Vang stated that while walking away Vang heard the other male subject call on a walkie talkie. Vang did not hear what was said.<br /><br /><br />Vang stated that a few moments later 2 ATV's approached his location with 5 or 6 guys on them. Vana stated that Vang was confronted by this group also. Vang stated that one of the subjects that Vang believed to be the owner of the property stated "why were you in my son's stand"? Vang stated that Vang told the man that Vang did not know it was private land. And that Vang did not see any signs indicating that land was private. Vang stated that this man stated "you just trespassed through 400 acres of private land." Vang stated that the others in the group surrounded Vang. Vang stated that the man that Vang thought to be the owner then started calling Vang names like "gook, chink, fuc king asian." Vang stated that at this point the only one that Vang saw with a gun was the first subject that kicked Vang out of the stand.<br /><br /><br />Vang stated that Vang was told to get off the fuc king property and never come back. Vang stated that at one point they wrote down his license number and stated that they were going to call the law enforcement. Vang stated that some of the others in the group started calling Vang names (gook, chink) and were also swearing at Vang, Vang stated that Vang started walking a way and got approximately 20 yards a way and turned around and observed the man that had the rifle walking towards the rest of the group, Vang also observed the man take the rifle off his shoulder and took the rifle into his hands. Vang stated that Vang stated that Vang was approximately 100 feet away and looked back again, Vang stated that Vang observed the subject with the rifle point the rifle at Vang. Vang stated that Vang immediately dropped to a crouch position and the subject shot at Vang and the bullet hit the ground 30 to 40 feet behind Vang.<br /><br /><br />Vang stated that Vang removed the scope from his rifle. Vang stated that Vang shot 2 times at the man with the rifle and the man dropped to the ground. Vang saw all the others run towards the ATV's and Vang continued to shoot. Vang stated that 2 or 3 more men fell to the ground. Vang stated that a couple of the men started to run, Vang stated that Vang chased after one of the men that ran towards the cabin. Vang stated that the man was yelling "help me, help me". Vang stated that Vang shot at the man several time while chasing him. Vang stated that Vang stated that he got to about 15 to 20 feet of the man who was still running away and Vang shot him in the back. Vang stated that the man dropped to the ground. Vang stated that the man did not have a gun. Vang stated that Vang walked up to the man and heard the man groan and then Vang walked a way. (This is believed to be the body of Joey Crotteau.)<br /><br /><br />Vang stated that at this point Vang heard one of the other men call on the walkie talkie and state "we've been shot and need help." Vang stated that Vang observed 3 other subjects coming on an ATV. Vang stated that Vang then turned his reversible coat from orange to camo. Vang stated that he also reloaded his magazine with 5 or 6 bullets. Vang stated that Vang did not shoot at these men because they had guns with them. Vang stated that the men were in by the other injured men for less then a minute and then left. Vang did not know if the men took any of the wounded out with them.<br /><br /><br />Vang stated that Vang then observed another ATV coming with 2 more people on it. Vang stated that the driver of this ATV had a gun on his shoulder. Vang stated that Vang began to run and Vang stated that they saw Vang running and were going too fast to stop and drove past Vang. Vang stated that they stopped approximately 10 to 15 feet past Vang at a 45 degree angle. Vang stated that the man removed the gun from his shoulder with one hand while the other hand was on the handle bars of the ATV. Vang stated that Vang shot 3 or 4 times and both people fell off the ATV and onto the ground. (these are the bodies of Allan Laski and Jessica Willers.)<br /><br /><br />Vang stated that Vang then started to run back towards where the original shooting started. Vang stated that Vang looked up the trail and saw that one of the men were standing. Vang stated that Vang yelled "you're not dead yet?" Vang stated that Vang shot one more time in the direction of this man but doesn't know if he hit the man or not. Vang stated that he continued to run away and did not return. Vang stated that at one point while running Vang decided that he did not want to shoot anybody else, so Vang threw his remaining ammunition into a swamp.<br /><br /><br />Yang stated that approximately an hour after throwing the ammunition away Vang heard the airplane overhead. Vang stated that Vang was thinking that they were looking for Vang so Vang was thinking about turning himself in. Vang stated that Vang came upon a hunter with an ATV and asked the hunter for a ride to the road. Vang stated that the hunter drove Vang to the hunter's cabin. Vang stated that the wardens were at the cabin waiting for him.<br /><br /><br />At the scene there was only 1 rifle located. That rifle was located near the body of Mark Roidt.<br /><br /><br />All of the victims were dressed in blaze orange clothing.<br /><br /><br />Preliminary autopsy results conducted by the forensic pathology team under the direction of Dr. McGee of the Ramsey County, Minnesota Medical Examiner's office are as follows:<br /><br />Robert Crotteau -gun shot<br />Joey Crotteau -gun shot<br />Al Laski -gun shot<br />Jessica Willers -gun shot<br />Mark Roidt -gun shot<br />Dennis Drew -autopsy pending<br /><br />Investigator Gary Gillis<br />November 23, 2004
 

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Willy your qoute of <br />"After reading some of the comments on this thread, seems to me there's a few here ready to don flour sacks and burn crosses. I'd hoped we'd grown-up as a nation since that dark time. Apparently not." <br />is about as true as some of the other previous qoute comparing the left wingers to nazis..........<br /><br />you got alot of nerve saying any poster on here is like the K.K.K. <br />I for one mentioned culture not race, if you cant see the difference than I truly feel sorry for you. Can you honestly say that some cultures are not completly backwards from the American culture..........You know like we have laws here that it is illegel to beat your wife. Well guess what in Tailand where the hmong come from it is not illegel and expected if she gets out of line......Hmmmmmmm could this reaction this indevidual had to being called names be partially due to in his country it may have been acceptable to do what he did. Maybe but maybe not. YOU should be more carful when accusing people of things like being ready to don flour sacks and burn crosses.
 

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he is an American but he is an immagrant......or at least I thought so...........
 

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All I was tring to say is that that in my experience the culture of the Hmong people are different to those who have been brought up here. Unfortionetly (in my opinion)the Hmong immigrants from where I lived seemed to have different values than most of the outdoors men I have met in my life. I was posing the possability that it comes from them haveing to hunt and fish for survival being that they are a people from high up in the mountians and living in the stix.(I hate to stereo type, but its just the way the world works) Now please hear me when I say it has nothing to do with race........but it does have to do with culture.Not all rappers are gangsters, not all muslems are terrorists, not all southern whites are rednecks and not all Californians are Liberals but there is a reason that stereo type started...... Is he American? I think he must be or it would have been mentioned. Does he live by the values that his people from accross the sea do? maybe and that is why I posted what I did.
 

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Funny, I thought he was an American...
 

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Mike,<br /><br />We were or are all immigrants to this land. Funny how identifying one type over another type has anything to do with anything.
 

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Posted by M&R
Not all rappers are gangsters, not all muslems are terrorists, not all southern whites are rednecks and not all Californians are Liberals
Couldn't agree more. I too grew up in a town with a Hmong population and they don't want to be "americanized". A similiar situation arose on the breakwaters into Manitowoc years ago. Nobody killed but a big old fight broke out cuz they tried to reclaim a fishing site they had used the day before.
 

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Mike I'll stand by you here .. seen it myself.. MANY TIMES in the outdoors! <br /><br />Fishing #1 ... over bagging of limits, under sized / over sized fished per regulation, ill equipped boats, netting of Gamefish, Spearing of Gamefish .....I'm getting sick typing it!<br /><br />Hunting #2 ... over bagging on many species; Ducks, Squirrels, Grouse, Deer.. most recently this fall being Doves where I saw two guys with well over 30 birds on the tail gate of thier truck...<br /><br /> I could ramble on about it as frustrating as it is to me..<br /><br />..total disregard of any Sportsman like behavior or responsabilities!<br />!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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Pointer ....<br /><br />I've seen that same thing up there in Sheboygan on the shoreline of the Sheboygan River in towards Kohlers 'River Wildlife' <br /><br />.... Bastages were trespassing there too!!
 

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As I keep saying, I am not excusing this, just trying to understand it. This guy isn't the Devil incarnate. He is a man with human frailities that has a limit just like everyone else. Enough buttons were pushed and he cracked. There is no justification for his actions. But there is a reason for his actions. That's what I'm trying to understand. What pushed him over the edge? Sounds to me like he might've been justified (if you believe his version) in shooting back at first. Had he been still standing instead of crouching, he could be the murder victim. After that he was crazed, over the limit, past the point of no return. We all have that point. Enough buttons were pushed and he reacted. I think at least one of the victims may bear some responsibility for what happened (There, that should get some of you riled!). But again there is NO justification for all that transpired that day. Regarding the story that a 3 year old hunting death investigation is being reopened, that's normal operating procedure. He may not even have been in the state that year. But the possibility should be investigated.<br /><br />Still waiting for the survivor's version.
 

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Willy try to understand this contrary to what you seem to believe there are bad people who do bad things. He no matter what is a bad man who did a bad thing. Nothing makes this ok even if they called him names or fo that matter threatned him. Anybody trespasses on my proporty and I tell them to leave they freakin better or I will handle it one way or the other. Even if ( I do doubt this) they fired first, they only had one gun and that guy was shot first then he systematicly hunted down the rest of the unarmed people and even had time to speak to them. This Vang dude is garbage and I hope he someday relizes how much pain he has caused the people who survived and those who are related to the victims family over just words...........I doubt he will until he meets his maker.<br /><br />Oh yes FYI there is not enough words in the world to push my buttons and make me kill defensless people. My guess most here feel the same. :confused:
 
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