HUGE PROJECT!! 30' Scarab Sport overhual

[projecthog]

Re: HUGE PROJECT!! 30' Scarab Sport overhual

Ok John,

I'm going to say this but it doesn't feel comfy as an answer to your question.

Because others said that Imron may be ok, I'll tell you that I had it put on a Highway truck I owned in '81.
The paint was pretty near bulletproof for two years of booting around country roads, highways, in dust storms and all other weather conditions.
I would think that that in itself should have dulled the finish and made my old truck look well used, it didn't, the paint was still about as shiny as when it went on, it was expensive, but well worth it. I sold the truck because someone offered on account of that paintjob.

Now.., how it would do on glass is something I can't comment on, and I can't answer for the submersing in water all the time either.

I can only say that I still used it when I needed patches and panels done on the trucks after the last time painting up til just a few years ago, and I was always impressed with the wet look it gave and the close colormatches it offered from old to new paint.
That could have been the painters skill as much as quality though I suppose.

It will most likely be just fine but I can't tell you that.

Good luck, and take care,
PH.

 

[5150abf]

Re: HUGE PROJECT!! 30' Scarab Sport overhual

Been watching this thread for a while, you are a brave man.

Don't know anything about glass but I am familiar with paint and I think you will want to stay away from base/clear coat and go with a good single stage .

Imron has been around forever for a reason , it is a very good paint but it is made for cars and I can't vouch for how it will hold up in the water but it is one of the best single stage car paints, I have also used a Sherwin Williams product called Ultra One Stage that was really good.

For the record I would paint my own boat with Imron.

I would imagine all the painters you talked to work on cars and are not familiar with marine paint but you may want to look into that as you certainly don't want to do this twice and it can't be that much more $.

When you order paint red is spelled $$$, it is the most expensive color paint you can buy so take a deep breath now, paint is one of the things you can't cheap on.

Just prepping a 30' hull could take 30-40 hours depending on what you want fixxed but I would go with a good single stage paint, preferably marine but the Imron should do fine also.

Good luck

 

[jserb]

Re: HUGE PROJECT!! 30' Scarab Sport overhual

now see! I knew i could depend on your guys! I think Emron is the choice for me! projecthog i think it will be just as durable its not going to be submerged cuz all im doing is the top side of the deck. As for it sticking i will do some more research on it, but i dont see if i can stick to aircraft aluminum and steel why it wouldn?t be able to adhere to fiberglass. I know its expensive but id rather to it right! Thanks guys! any other info you have keep sendin my way!


Now how bout that bracket installation? anyone??

 

[redfury]

Re: HUGE PROJECT!! 30' Scarab Sport overhual

I'd go with the Imron paint based on recommendations and what I've seen of it also. It was highly recommended to me by a guy that used it when I mentioned my Glastron restoration as being a paint that will hold up because it's tough.

If the paint held up that good when it was manufactured in 81, I'd bet it'll be just as good now unless environmental regulations have killed the original formula...the best stuff is usually the worst for your health.

 

[GO OVRIT]

Re: HUGE PROJECT!! 30' Scarab Sport overhual

My brother had a truck that was painted with Imron over 15 years ago and it'll still shine like new. A good friend of mine use it for his boot stripe on a boat that stays in an inlet just off the atlantic and its holding up great too.

As for the bracket...You generally want the cavitation plate of the engine to be at the bottom of the hull or slightly below. I'm sure somebody here will give a better more specific answer than that, but that'll get you close.

 

[Mark42]

Re: HUGE PROJECT!! 30' Scarab Sport overhual

If I were painting my boat, I would be reading all the info on the marine paint manufacturers websites. ALW Grip, Petit, Blue Water, etc.

There is top side paint, below the line paint, anti fouling paint. If auto paint satisfied all these specialized paint products, there would be no special marine paints.

Auto paint is for autos. Marine paint is for the marine environment. If your boat is going to sit in water for more than a two or three days, you will definatelly want a marine paint.

 

[5150abf]

Re: HUGE PROJECT!! 30' Scarab Sport overhual

Agree, but he is talking paint for the top side.

Painting fiberglass is no different than painting anything else, prep it, prime it and paint it.

On the top side it is no different than a car, for the hull that is in the water definately go with a purpose made marine paint, as I said before, paint is not something you will wnat to do twice.

 

[jserb]

Re: HUGE PROJECT!! 30' Scarab Sport overhual

hey all, well im still looking for the knowledgable person that can help me install this bracket! its gotta be installed in 2 weeks!
BELOW____________
First two photos are of the areas i ground out of the transom, i fixed and patched these babys and man its lookin good, ill take some photos for you tomorrow.


Here are some photos of the transom, i cut the holes for the fuel lines and steering cable. What you see here is 2 3/4'' sheets of ply and then 5 layers of 1708 BIAX, what do ya think?

 

[ondarvr]

Re: HUGE PROJECT!! 30' Scarab Sport overhual

I think DH's explanation on how position the bracket was pretty straight forward, I don't think you'd have a problem.

 

[salty87]

Re: HUGE PROJECT!! 30' Scarab Sport overhual

paint is not something you will wnat to do twice.

you got that right. prep the heck out of it but i also think you should use the right paint. i like interlux but it ain't cheap.

i haven't seen a big selection in stores though, mail order. and, if the hull isn't prepped properly it will show. don't rush a paint job.

 

[jserb]

Re: HUGE PROJECT!! 30' Scarab Sport overhual

Hey everyone! Well about the paint i have a painter and it looks like i am going with Imron! The boat is goin for paint in 2 weekS! Its getting their, i have included a few photos, one is of the boat after i cleaned it down, it was SUPER dirty after all the sanding, grinding, and filling of the stress cracks. I started mounting the bracket and did mount the Trim Tabs. Boy i was close on the trim tabs. I mounted them first, thinking i was going to have plenty of room, then i went to mount it and found i cut it close and mounted it within a 1/2 incih to spare on each tab!!!!! few! This is where the bracket will sit, it has as of right now 1 bolt in it holding it on, the rest is being held by straps from the ceiling. i am planning on totally mounting it throughout the week. stay tuned! I took DH's advice on how to mount the bracket, i have learned throughout the week that this bracket thing and mounting it in the right location was pretty serious stuff. DH in my prop thread told me that its a ratio of 5 to 1. that is for every 5 inches you go back away from the transom you go up 1 inch. I have a 25'' set back on my bracket, so i mounted the bracket 5 inches above the bottom of the boat relative to my lower units. The easiest way i can tell anyone how to mount these things is to make something that represents the lengh of your lower unit on your engine(in my case a 2X4) and put it on the bracket and then hold the bracket up to the boat and make the necessary adjustments(up and down) in order to get the bracket at the right height. This worked out quite well for us and this is where it falls on my boat, the swim platform is just 5?? above the waterline.

 

[triumphrick]

Re: HUGE PROJECT!! 30' Scarab Sport overhual

Good to see your progress. Looks like you have had a productive winter!! Lookin fine....

 

[BigB9000]

Re: HUGE PROJECT!! 30' Scarab Sport overhual

I still love Scarabs

I would have bought this boat in a heart beat.. even for more than $700

 

[benlb22]

Re: HUGE PROJECT!! 30' Scarab Sport overhual

John,
I had fun reading through the project tonight. Good job on everything so far. In April when you are out on the water I think you should be able to smoke this guy out of the hole.

http://www.boattrader.com/listing/1988-SCARAB-Sport-30-93932261

Then you can put the $40,000 difference between the two boats in the gas fund.

Ben

 

[jcsercsa]

Re: HUGE PROJECT!! 30' Scarab Sport overhual

Hay there John, man its getting there isn't it !! and just think the ice is going to be melting out there today !!! lol

Yep we are moving along at about the same speed here , racing to get her ready to hit the water asap !! Have you set a time line yet ?? I am looking for may 13 !! want to give mine a month to dry !!

Ok John , keep at her and keep up the great work !! and I am in for a meet some where when were done !! How far are you from Anchor Bay ??

Ohh and i will keep up with you till we hit 40 , and what thats going to be quarter throttle ??? LOL My little old 1962 merc 100 hp might get jealous and try running a little harder !! hahaha John

 

[triumphrick]

Re: HUGE PROJECT!! 30' Scarab Sport overhual

John,
I had fun reading through the project tonight. Good job on everything so far. In April when you are out on the water I think you should be able to smoke this guy out of the hole.

http://www.boattrader.com/listing/1988-SCARAB-Sport-30-93932261

Then you can put the $40,000 difference between the two boats in the gas fund.

Ben

This was great.....

 

[jserb]

Re: HUGE PROJECT!! 30' Scarab Sport overhual

hey all!!

Well this post is a question post for all of you. There are some loose ends i need help solving and i know my buddies here will be able to help me! Please try to answer all of these Q's

Q1 on my boat there is a "pad" that goes all the way around the interior of the boat, i have noticed that on these you do not see where they are "screwed" to the hull. Without getting behind to the back side of the hull, however heck do they mount these "pads" with no screws showing? (see photo 1 for example)


Q2 I have spoke to the previous owner about how the boat sat in the water when he owned it, he said his one complaint was that the scuppers on the sides of the hull were allowing water to come in the floor drains if you got 2 ro 3 people back therer( i didnt have the heart to tell him it might have been becuase he had a water logged boat!) but anyway my plans are to put 2 valves(one on each drain) on the hoeses feeding the floor drains so i can shut them off when i know im going to have a full boat. the nice thing is i have two access hatches at each location where these valves would go so accessing them is very easy, however my question to all of you is where do i get a 1'' valve?? shoot plastic would be more than fine for me, however iv been to lowes and HP and i can tell ya they only have 3/4 valves and i have a 1'' hoes not to mention they are like 20 bucks!!! where do you all recomend i go (website or whatever) to find these?


Q3 is kind like Q2 i am planning on useing 1 deck fill for my oil. however i have two tanks, so i need a Y fitting which will take my one deck fill ans split the hoes to go to the two tanks, i THINK i need a brass fitting, you guys tell me, either way this is something i can find either! where could i get this? its a 1 5/8 hoes.

Q4 Anyone know where i can find those cheap "side deck lights" that you see on the sides of CC? I need two of them and you go on line and westmarine sells em for like 30 bucks a piece, they arnt anything speicial and most older boat have em, you know they are SS and have a bulb in them there prob only 3 1/2 inches wide?

 

[jserb]

Re: HUGE PROJECT!! 30' Scarab Sport overhual

Welllll its sunday, come on you guys should know by now that sunday nights are my posting nights for what work was done over the weekend!!! Man i can tall ya this was a productive weekend! I had a small army over here this weekend helping out!
We got the bracket mounted
spot primed painted the boat
and Painted the hull

#1 the first set of photos is the bracket! it is set in place! We used 1/8 aluminum plates for our backing plates. We drilled the holes, then i took VERY SLOWLY kicked resin and coated the insides of all the holes so INCASE resin ever got in the transom would be sealed, then we went around each bolt hole on the bracket and transom and caulked them and put a nice bead of caulk along the bracket to form a gasket so the bracket would be water tight. The photos are of the bracket in place! The other is of my buddy drillin the holes in the Aluminum plates, and the other give new meaning to the phrase grab *****ing.

 

[jserb]

Re: HUGE PROJECT!! 30' Scarab Sport overhual

heres the Army,.....the first two are the the bottom paiting team....poor guys had to lay on that cold concrete floor and squeez under the boat and cart..





4 guys lots of help!!

 

[jserb]

Re: HUGE PROJECT!! 30' Scarab Sport overhual

Here are some photos of how the priming went. the plan is i want to spot prime all of my work and then when the painter comes by he will prime the entier project. But by me priming my area's i know i will never see anything bleed through on those hot sunny summer days!!!! i have put this coat on and then i will come back this upcomming week and sand them down and then maybe coat it one more time, we'll see.