86 Sea Ray Restoration [Splashed Oct 2017]

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I'd Like it better if It was a full Hooded suit but at least it's a suit. Keep those gloves on!!!!! Still too much dust in Your Hair!!!! Boat IS looking good though!!!!!:D;)
 

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:thumb: Great intro to your latest video :)

Looking forward to when you are laying out and glassing in the new structure. (I bet you are too :D )

Have we had the wood versus synthetic stringer discussion on this thread yet?
 
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What about foam stringers? My next boat restoration will have this material. Check you tube videos about foam stringers.
 

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Might price the materials out using foam for stringers. The ease of cutting foam stringers vs wood stringers is over come, IMO, by the added prep, protection & additional fiberglass required to use them. Unless you are going 100% synthetic, then a wood deck & transom are still susceptible to problems even if you use foam stringers.

Again, IMO, pour in foam & wood components aren't the problem. They too are 'victims' of improper care & maintenance...........

Your son didn't want a fancy bunny suit & a face mask/respirator for Christmas? What are you doing wrong?

Yeah, ok, I didn't want them for Christmas either.:facepalm:
 

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Looking good Goldie. Not a bad idea to just grind it all, as you said. Would be just my luck to that I'd miss something and have to mess up the whole boat later on if I missed something by 2 inches.

If this really gets to the best type of stringer material to use there are lots of options. Plywood is by far the most popular choice around here and has been used for a long time. I started in the marine industry back in 1966, and I worked at several glass manufacturers over the years building boats from 14' to 165' including boats made under military specifications for our Navy. Plywood or sometimes lumber was what everyone used. Since then I was through several changes before I retired, first to higher density foams in range of 6lb/cuft and up, then mold made hollow stringers tabbed in and then mold made hollow stringers bonded in with an adhesive. IMHO what matters most is the laminate that is put over the stringers. I think that the stringer material should not be considered as the strength but just as a form to hold the laminate in place until it cures. At that point the laminate should stand on its own and support the hull and everything attached to it. Someday no matter what core material is used it will either rot or absorb water and the hull will depend on the laminate to keep things together. So again IMHO if you put together a strong laminate over whatever the core is you'll be very happy. Plywood is probably the most cost effective and if the layup schedule is correct who cares if the wood rots 20 years from now? A foam cored stringer system would probably be a bit lighter but I don't think the weight difference over plywood is worth the added cost.
 

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Nice work! You made a ton of progress. I really like how you are doing this the right way, grinding out all the hull, not cutting any corners. That will absolutely pay off when you start rebuilding.

Do you have a goal for when you hope to complete this project?

Looking good....

Jim
 

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Nice work! You made a ton of progress. I really like how you are doing this the right way, grinding out all the hull, not cutting any corners. That will absolutely pay off when you start rebuilding.

Do you have a goal for when you hope to complete this project?

Looking good....

Jim

Given that everything has been removed down to the bare hull, it looks like he cut-out all of the 'corners' :D
 

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Hey Goldie,

I'm tagging along with ya...

I've spent some time catchin up on the videos... I'm happy you have the suit and other safety gear on... Glass dust is nasty! It gets better after all the demo grinding is over and you lay that first piece of glass down.... You guys are doing a great job!

The intro music to the suit walk was tight!
 

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Woodonglass - It's a hooded suit, the key factor of it's effectiveness is actually keeping the hood on! =) On day 16, I tried to keep the gloves on the whole time =)

tpenfield - Yeah, in that walking intro all I needed was a gallon of paint and I'd look just like John Travolta!! LOL the young guys don't remember "Saturday Night Fever" what was his name on welcome back kotter? dam... i'm not gonna google it =) I wanna say it was Vinnie Testerino?? I will undoubtedly be elated when the grinding is done!!! But, I gotta be honest, there is a glimmer of trepidation that is associated with the completion of the deconstruction. I have never fiber-glassed! Not knowing how to do something has never stopped me in the past but this time it's a little different. In this regard, the quality of my workmanship will play a large part in our safety out on the water. I'm definitely going to take my time and do the absolute best job possible.

Jayboat66 - From a humble noob, it seems like anything with a foam core would add much more glass work to make it comparable to wood as far as strength and stability. Not sure about longevity though. I'm to scary anyway to venture from the mainstay of glass on wood. Maybe when I learn how to swim I'll do a restoration with foam stringers =)

jbcurt00 - I don't know where I went wrong with that boy, how dare he rather watch the super bowl than be with me in a cloud of deadly dust!! LOL I tried to lay a guilt trip on him and it kinda actually worked =) but I let him enjoy the game =)

Georgesalmon - Thanks George, that means a lot coming from you. I think it's looking good as well, so far so good. I'm definitely going wood just haven't decided on marine grade or exterior ply. Your right about 20 years, when I'm done with the restoration this boat will be around long after I'm gone =) Too bad we cant be restored =)

JASinIL2006 - Thanks Jim, no short cuts allowed! :) I've inadvertently developed contempt for grinding so I want to get it done right the first time, then I can hide my grinders waaaaayy back in the back dark corner of my tool box never to be seen again!! No finish date really... i'm only able to work on it one day a week, but like they say, slow motion is better than no motion =) Pffffft..... I wanna go fishing tomorrow dam it!! LOL But all this anticipation and hard work is making the end result that much sweeter...

tpenfield - Because of my experience and background in Fiberglass I thought it would be best to have a clean canvass :) If I am actually able to pull this restoration off, man.... this is gonna be a beacon of inspiration to all who endeavor!! LOL

bear_69cuda - Welcome aboard! thanks for joining us, watch your step as there is no deck yet =) I'm really looking forward to the next phase of the restoration which is ordering fiberglass materials and cutting boards. I think there's about two more days worth of grinding.

 
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Uhhhmmmm Ok I watched it again, and Yeah, Hooded and even goggles but...Hood down and goggles up!!!!! Uhmmm DUHHHHHH!!!! That's NOT STAYIN ALIVE!!!!! Even a Big Ole' Dumb Okie Knows That!!!!!
 

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Even if you haven't fiberglassed before in your life, I feel confident in saying you will like it better than glassing! At least you won't have to wear the Tyvek bunny suit and heavy gloves! :D

Also, pretty much any mistake you make while glassing can be ground away and done a second time... But you're taking to this boat restoration so well (a little TOO well, Mr. Travolta) that you will most likely have no trouble. Just be sure to wear a proper respirator, or we'll have to sic Woodonglass on you!

Jim
 

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Hey Goldie, good to see youre back at it!!...looks like youll be over the hump soon...If you wanna keep the hood on, put the respirator on over the hood, it wont go nowhere...and man, my hands are breaking out just watching you....i was careless about the gloves in the beginning too, the nitrile gloves just tear right off. I switched to solvex gloves since I started getting rashes on my hands...they dont tear and are worth their weight in gold when slopping around PB resin..

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Goldie, I did more research about the foam stringers and needs more resin and more work to do. Let't keep doing the old way! Wood is the way to go.
 
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IMHO in order to create foam cored stringers you'll need to have a minimum of 4 layers each of 1.5oz CSM and 1708 or 1808 Cloth/Fabric. This would give you the bulk required. If you did this the extra resin and material would be cost prohibitive. Again this is just an Old Dumb Okie's opinion. It's your boat and your Choice!!!:D
 

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I've been following your thread. Great job so far. Getting ready to do my 84 Seville cc in the spring. What type of trailer are you on? Bunk or roller? Did you block up the hull any to keep it from flexing? Mine is on a roller and need to figure a way to support it better. Keep up the good work.
 

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cdoo1972 - First of all, my apologies for getting back to you so late. Welcome aboard!!! I am on a bunk trailer. I would think that picking up a used bunk trailer would be less expensive than the wood, time and energy of building a support structure from scratch. I'm not sure if there is a way to add supports to a roller style trailer, maybe the experts can chime in on this. I wonder if there is a way to convert your rollers to slats as a temporary fix to the problem. I wish I could be more help. Please let me know how it worked out.
 

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