'78 Ebko Lebaron - Therapy

'78 Ebko Lebaron - Therapy


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Pmccraney

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Re: '78 Ebko Lebaron - Therapy

Troop, since we are at about the same place, you and I have a lot of the same thoughts running through our heads...

On the heat and humidity, my resin has been kicking way too fast at 1%. I had 650 mils kick in about 15 minutes at 1%. I was doing a long lay-up along a stringer and ended up with air pockets and dry spots because of it... I was glassing indoors outside of the sun, but the shop is hot and muggy...

I, too, know that water getting under the deck IS going to happen. So, even though its going to take me longer, I am going to try and make a drainage plan for my stringers. At this point, I am inclined to use a method that was suggested by Oops (and I think actually done by someone else that I cannot recall at the moment)... I am going to construct pvc pipe conduits along the tops of my bulkhead compartments that run down at an angle to a pvc piece that rests at the bottom of the stringers next to my weep holes... Once the "plumbing" is set, I am going to throw some shrink wrap down in the compartment (the pvc will be inside of the bulkhead compartment, but outside of the shrink wrap)... I am going to pour the foam into the shrink wrap, cover the bulk head with a temporary (weighted) top and allow the foam to expand/set. The pvc pipe will make sort of a molded impression in the foam... once its set, remove the top, remove the foam block (which should come out because the foam mold is encase is a shrink wrap "sack"; remove the pvc pipe from the bulkead compartment; put the molded foam back in its little house, and move on to the next compartment... [not to go all domestic, but think of it is baking muffins in each of the little compartments; the shrink wrap acts like a muffin or cupcake wrapper so you can remove the muffin without it sticking to the bulkhead walls or hull or the pvc which creates the molded impressions/channels for drainage].

Once all of the little bulk-head sections are poured in this fashion... Throw the permanent deck on and go for it. Hopefully, this makes some sense... I know it sounds like a lot more work, but I'm 9 months into this thing, so what's an extra weekend or two to try and avoid the ONE reason we are all on this forum in the first place... OLD rotten boats....

EDIT: Also, at least a I found a use a use for the "cooked" resin in my little buckets... If you let them fully harden, they will dump right out and make for a nice little molded, plastic drink coaster:

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Trooper82

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Re: '78 Ebko Lebaron - Therapy

That sounds intersting. Make sure you get pics or video. I think I follow but would like to be sure. I recall reading that in oops posts and it didn't make sense at the time. Sort of does now.


Ya this heat and humidity is terrible to glassers.
 

sphelps

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Re: '78 Ebko Lebaron - Therapy

Troop you already got way more done on your vacation than me !
Good progress !
 

Decker83

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Re: '78 Ebko Lebaron - Therapy

Just catching up with your thread. Man you have done alot of work over the last week. Looks great.
One thing I can say about the heat problem you are having is the clear plastic that your using is acting like a green house effect.
If you can put up some more poles and put a dark colored tarp over the plastic tent it will reduce the heat under the tent.
It will work like the double pane widow. The dark tarp will stop the suns uv rays from hitting the clear plastic and also give you some much needed shade. Put a fan at both ends of the tent with one blowing in and the other blowing out.
I do my glass work outside also and I do not have the problem of it setting to fast. I mix the resin and cat @ 1oz to 1 gallon of resin.
or 1/4 oz cat to 32oz of resin. My cover does not completely enclose my boat like yours so I don't get as hot under it.
You really need to figure out how to prevent this problem when you start to glass your deck in.
Just my 2 cents worth.
 

Trooper82

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Re: '78 Ebko Lebaron - Therapy

..........
EDIT: Also, at least a I found a use a use for the "cooked" resin in my little buckets... If you let them fully harden, they will dump right out and make for a nice little molded, plastic drink coaster:

resincoaster.jpg

I have a few of those, even some with chip brushes sticking out of them. Was considering auctioning them off as a part of iboats history. Use the procedes towards some soft resin, lol.
 

sphelps

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Re: '78 Ebko Lebaron - Therapy

^^^No scuba just swimming, tubing , and snorkeling. Not necessarily in that order.
Now what to do with the rest of the week..:rolleyes: :D
 

Trooper82

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Re: '78 Ebko Lebaron - Therapy

Just catching up with your thread. Man you have done alot of work over the last week. Looks great.
One thing I can say about the heat problem you are having is the clear plastic that your using is acting like a green house effect.
If you can put up some more poles and put a dark colored tarp over the plastic tent it will reduce the heat under the tent.
It will work like the double pane widow. The dark tarp will stop the suns uv rays from hitting the clear plastic and also give you some much needed shade. Put a fan at both ends of the tent with one blowing in and the other blowing out.
I do my glass work outside also and I do not have the problem of it setting to fast. I mix the resin and cat @ 1oz to 1 gallon of resin.
or 1/4 oz cat to 32oz of resin. My cover does not completely enclose my boat like yours so I don't get as hot under it.
You really need to figure out how to prevent this problem when you start to glass your deck in.
Just my 2 cents worth.


Good advice Decker. I do have a tarp I could use for shade. Have ben wondering about how your progress is going too.
 

Decker83

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Re: '78 Ebko Lebaron - Therapy

Haven't done much the last week. Got outside and turned my ankle pretty bad and trying to stay off it for a while.
If nothing else just throw that trap over the tent and see how it works.
 

Trooper82

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Re: '78 Ebko Lebaron - Therapy

199 days...

Got the stringers and bulkhead in the ski locker capped.
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And the bow section too!
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I might have a gallon of resin left...would like to start on the deck plates...doubt that is going to go very far when it comes to 2 layers of CSM and 1 layer of 1708 on the bottom side of deck...

When it comes time for the top side, I just want 2-3 layers of CSM? I plan on putting down white gelcoat on the deck with a roller.

Happy Hump Day :)
 

Woodonglass

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Re: '78 Ebko Lebaron - Therapy

You're gunna tab the deck to the sides of the hull with 1708...Right????
 

Woodonglass

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Re: '78 Ebko Lebaron - Therapy

Well, ALRIGHTY THEN!!!!! Really nice work Troop!!! When you're done with her She'll be in the Family for a LOOOOOOONG Time!!!!;)
 

Pmccraney

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Re: '78 Ebko Lebaron - Therapy

Looks really, really good! Keep on truckin...
 

craigweaver

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Re: '78 Ebko Lebaron - Therapy

Troop, wow man, I finally caught up on your progress from the past couple of weeks. You cranked out a lot on your "vacation" ! She's lookin good. We're just about at the same point floor wise. I'm ordering my pour in foam this weekend for under the deck and thinking of picking up the 1/2 ply for the deck as well. I can't wait to actually stand on a deck again.

Keep up the great work!
 

Trooper82

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Re: '78 Ebko Lebaron - Therapy

Troop, wow man, I finally caught up on your progress from the past couple of weeks. You cranked out a lot on your "vacation" ! She's lookin good. We're just about at the same point floor wise. I'm ordering my pour in foam this weekend for under the deck and thinking of picking up the 1/2 ply for the deck as well. I can't wait to actually stand on a deck again.

Keep up the great work!

Thank you CW!..I stayed a little busy...got a lot of catching up to do...

How much you ordering? I was not sure what I would need so got the 2 5gal pails...Not going to be able to start foam until I get more resin to get the deck put in. I may do the section under the tank and lay some glass over it. We'll see....
 

Trooper82

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Re: '78 Ebko Lebaron - Therapy

I started this thread exactly 200 days ago..what a ride!

Have learned tons of information, with all the helps from all you great folks.

Starting to cover the bottom of the deck plates....
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I tried to actually calculate the amount of resin I needed to cover this piece. 4 oz resin per sq ft on 1.5 oz resin..15.25 sq ft here...that comes out to about 750 ml....but...I needed twice that, because I had not coated the wood before hand. The ply drank a lot of it up. Hard to believe, but I learned how to use my bb roller the right way I think...I wet this all out underneath then on top. Didn't have any glass lifting anywhere, but notice lots of tiny bubbles in the resin. Very light steady pressure on the bb roller, they all disappeared :)

I also recall reading somewhere recently about a phenomenon that I experienced laying this up. Too much resin and the glass will float on top of the resin. I used the bb roller and got as much as I could out of it. Worked pretty good. I may try another section later tonight after this kicks off. I have nowhere else to hold my boards up. Getting very close to the end of my resin supply, so won't be able to do much once I get these done. Should be getting some resin next Friday.
 
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