1982 Skeeter SS-1 Sport Fisherman Restoration...In Progress

[JDA1975]

Re: 1982 Skeeter SS-1 Sport Fisherman Restoration...In Progress

The way things are looking right now, all I can do for now is teardown. I'll probably have to wait until tax-time to start back with it. It's killing me not being able to work on it, though.

Tear down takes longer than I thought it would, will keep ya busy til then probably, looking forward to following it!

Your Plan is sound. My only concern is the weight. that's a lot of weight for that size boat. You might find that it will throw off the planing characteristics of the boat a bit. Time will tell. I'm a bit anal when it comes to making significant changes to the engineering designs of these things. I'm not qualified at all in that area so I pretty much stick close to the vest when it comes to design. I don't mess with it much especially in weight distribution etc... Cosmetics, heck yes, but not much else. I hope it all works out well.

yeah...i did some math, 12 gallons was 72 lbs, and 2 batteries back there another 80 so 152 lbs in the back up against the transom basically...the tank full 24 gallons should weigh 145 and I am moving it about 18" forward...if I place the 2 batteries under the 2 forward seats, it should balance it well. I know it could seriously back fire on me...but if my math is right I don't see why it won't work. of course like you, I am no engineer, but if things dont work out..I can always just not fill it more than 1/2 way and it would end up being close to same as before!

 

[jbcurt00]

Re: 1982 Skeeter SS-1 Sport Fisherman Restoration...In Progress

Before running half full, I'd consider getting it cut & re-welded smaller (shorter), or have baffles put in.... I don't know but isn't there an alternative to baffles, gas-proof foam???

Actually yes:
http://www.gmpracingproducts.com.au/fuel-cells/fuel-cell-bladder-fuelfoam.php

It is of course an Austrailian company.....2nd was British.....

Just 1 of many w/ google search of gas tank baffle foam

Even half full as that gas shifts to the rear as you accelerate, it could drastically change the way the boat handles. Not to mention the stress working your hold-downs & mounting points.

 

[JDA1975]

Re: 1982 Skeeter SS-1 Sport Fisherman Restoration...In Progress

Been sitting here with wiring diagrams and pictures of my boat trying to figure out what I need as far as parts go, and I gotta say it gets a little confusing...first thought is, i wanted to go with 2 batteries, 1 for starting and one for trolling, but looks like you need 2 for 24V trolling in current/wind...So do I need to do a 3 battery system and have the trolling batteries isolated and dedicated to trolling, or is there a way to use 2 and switch it to 24V for trolling when needed...I don't care as much for this as I don't want to run the risk of running down my starting battery, and having to pull start...but I also don't want an extra 50lbs for a 3rd battery

 

[jbcurt00]

Re: 1982 Skeeter SS-1 Sport Fisherman Restoration...In Progress

Been sitting here with wiring diagrams

Yep, ya had me up until the red text above:facepalm:

I suspect there's a switch in the market somewhere to run 2 batteries as a 24V system, but?????

 

[JDA1975]

Re: 1982 Skeeter SS-1 Sport Fisherman Restoration...In Progress

lol maybe i used the wrong word....schematic? anyways i printed out a common wiring schematic for boats, to kind of have an idea of what wiring I need to buy, i know there's a switch for using bat1 bat2 or both, but does that switch you to 24V for trolling .. the trolling motor has a 12/24 switch on it, but I am lost as to how to wire 24v to trolling motor without having 2 dedicated batteries just for it...I was tired last night and might not have made a lot of sense.

 

[fmjnax]

Re: 1982 Skeeter SS-1 Sport Fisherman Restoration...In Progress

Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but I'm not so certain that adding the TM onto the starting batter is a great idea Judge. I'm not an expert, but it seems like putting the extra drain on your starting battery could leave you high and dry if you used the TM heavily and then went to start up the big motor.

I've never owned a 24V TM myself, but I have been on plenty of bass boats that did (and even some that were 36V). All of them had dedicated batteries for the TM... but we're talking 20'+ high-dollar bass boats here. They had their starting battery, their TM batteries, and sometimes a dedicated accessory battery. A lot of friggin' batteries!

Anyway, all of the 24V TM's I saw first-hand were wired as such:
TM + to BAT1 +
BAT1 - to BAT2 +
BAT2 - to TM -

 

[ezmobee]

Re: 1982 Skeeter SS-1 Sport Fisherman Restoration...In Progress

If you want a 24V TM, you have to have two dedicated batteries for it. Keep your outboard starting battery for that task (and maybe your low-draw lighting and accessories. Personally I don't see the need for a 24V TM. I have a 12V 40some pound thrust one for mine and it pulls my 18' awesome. Can't image what I'd do with more power. Now granted, I use my TM mostly for positioning and no so much actual trolling.

 

[JDA1975]

Re: 1982 Skeeter SS-1 Sport Fisherman Restoration...In Progress

thanks FM, that's what i was concerned with , but was trying to avoid the added weight of a 3rd battery... our lakes and rivers around here have pretty strong current...and a friend of mine has a 12V trolling set up and when we troll the shore line that poor motor has to constantly run just to keep us from drifting too fast. so really thought Id rather set it up for 24V for the added power. In his case we can't even make a full troll around the smaller of our lakes, which he lives on. The last time we went out the battery died and we couldn't get his outboard started, Luckily the problem I am trying to remedy saved us, the current on the lake carried us all the way back to his dock lol

EZ thanks, I will probably end up with a 3 battery setup then, that set up I understand a little better but was seeing if there was a way to use just 2...I can wire a house..but when it comes to 12V systems I dont fully understand it and just worried....

 

[Woodonglass]

Re: 1982 Skeeter SS-1 Sport Fisherman Restoration...In Progress

Judge,

For your Reading Enjoyment

http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=331876
http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=481243
http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=432964
Also, in the Electrical, Electronics, Audio and Trolling Motors Forum the GURU for Battery and Boat Electrical is a member called "Silvertip" You might PM him with your specific needs. I guarantee
you he will have the answers.

 

[JDA1975]

Re: 1982 Skeeter SS-1 Sport Fisherman Restoration...In Progress

thanks wood, i read those, will definitely be going with 3 battery system now....will post a thread in that section for further electrical help, I do think I understand the 12/24 now though so that's progress!

 

[jbcurt00]

Re: 1982 Skeeter SS-1 Sport Fisherman Restoration...In Progress

I apologize, the confusion was on my end.

I meant that I had know electrical knowledge in general, or how it applies to a boat. I was not commenting on the grammar or word choice. Sorry for the confusion.

As to the 24V system & switch, it sounded like that a switch to convert 2 12v batteries into a single 24V service, might be available in the market, but that I didn't know of such a switch, or whether it would be a good idea. Apparently, the masses agree: its not a good idea to use a 24V trolling setup as the starting battery.

Thanks for posting & asking questions, along w/ the pix, it's very helpful!

Thanks again & sorry for the confusion.

 

[bear_69cuda]

Re: 1982 Skeeter SS-1 Sport Fisherman Restoration...In Progress

Brutha JDA,

Just finished reading your thread, great work, love the hull and trailer paint scheme... I've wired a few boats so if you have any issues fire me a PM.

Best regards,

 

[guitar_picker85]

Re: 1982 Skeeter SS-1 Sport Fisherman Restoration...In Progress

Hey Judge, I actually put a 24v tm on my boat, and the boat can handle the extra weight. What I did have to do, though, was put the two tm batteries on the passenger side. I usually fish by myself, or with my wife who weighs less than I do, so it seemed to balance out alot better, both sitting and running down the lake. You shouldn't have to have the biggest batteries for your tm anyway. You can probably get away with the smaller sizes, since you won't be working a 24v motor as hard as you would a 12v tm. Just my .02. Good luck and keep up the good work!

 

[JDA1975]

Re: 1982 Skeeter SS-1 Sport Fisherman Restoration...In Progress

thanks for the info, since you have the same boat it makes me feel better......My current plan is to put the batteries just forward of the forward lounge seats...basically 1 on each side of the livewell to balance weight and offset the added fuel weight in the back by bringing that weight forward...we shall see....

I had considered once I have my deck built taking the hull over and setting it in the water at the lake then using sand bags move weight around where things wil be sitting and see how she sets before committing completely...

For now it is going to be more planning than anything, since it is my shut down time of year, so doing alot of drawing and thinking lol

 

[guitar_picker85]

Re: 1982 Skeeter SS-1 Sport Fisherman Restoration...In Progress

Plus one on the sandbag idea. that will give you the best idea of how it will sit

 

[JDA1975]

Re: 1982 Skeeter SS-1 Sport Fisherman Restoration...In Progress

I think I am going to go crazy! I haven't sat and stared at presents under the tree since I was a little kid...just itching to open them....but since the materials I wanted to work on the boat are wrapped up under the tree and I got nothing to do right now I am going crazy lol!

 

[GT1000000]

Re: 1982 Skeeter SS-1 Sport Fisherman Restoration...In Progress

I think I am going to go crazy! I haven't sat and stared at presents under the tree since I was a little kid...just itching to open them....but since the materials I wanted to work on the boat are wrapped up under the tree and I got nothing to do right now I am going crazy lol!

I don't know if this is going to be any consolation, but you have two things in your favor...You seem to be an adult..., and Christmas officially begins at 12 Midnight...

 

[JDA1975]

Re: 1982 Skeeter SS-1 Sport Fisherman Restoration...In Progress

lol 1 more thing going for me...wife decided to be nice and let her relief nurse that works her days off have 1 of the Christmas days off and work in her place...she decided since our son is only 6 we could convince him that Christmas was on Saturday and she would work Christmas day because they pay double time all day...so I get it on Satruday now!

 

[GT1000000]

Re: 1982 Skeeter SS-1 Sport Fisherman Restoration...In Progress

X-cell-ent!!!

 

[JDA1975]

Re: 1982 Skeeter SS-1 Sport Fisherman Restoration....Hull question

Re: 1982 Skeeter SS-1 Sport Fisherman Restoration....Hull question

Merry Christmas all, instead of saying it in many threads, i will just post it in one here to all my friends here at Iboats