1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

[jayhanig]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

OK, just for reference, here is what I am using for the paint work.

So yesterday, not very impressed with my roll and tip job at all. I was out and about, ended up at Lowes and found myself standing in the air tool isle. Well, I grabbed this guy and headed for checkout...

Wow, what a difference! What a breeze! It looks great !!!(I know it's tough to tell in the poor/dark photos) It took me less time, it was less work, less paint, and in the end, I think it will cost less to spray this boat than roll/tip. It even made my poor roll/tip job look a lot better.

This sprayer is superior to the other I was using. I think it was money very well spent. One thing this one has is a gauge at the handle. My other didn't and with 50' of hose I'm not sure I was getting accurate pressure readings with the gauge clear back at the compressor.

I was just on the Lowes website and didn't see anything that looked like your gun. What make and model are you using? And what are you supplying it with? Regular air compressor? How many CFM? Or HVLP rig? I'm impressed with your results.

 

[boatguy94]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

I'll post of a couple of shots of the final top coat when I get that wrapped up and I'll give you a heads up on my screw ups so you don't make the same mistakes I did, eh!

Cheers!

Thanks! Very helpful! Paint is really looking good, and from you pictures I can't even tell that there are runs. Looking great . I'm going to need to get some better lights for my garage now that you bring it up. Were you going to use another color to do a stripe of some sort, or just all white? Happy New Year also!

 

[jasoutside]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

Hey Jason, it looks pretty good from 11,000 miles away!

Happy New Year mate and keep up the GREAT work. Cheers,

TII

Yah, but if you come within about 17,700 km it really starts to look like carp. Rock on buddy!

Looks great man. I always prefer to spray when I can. Never had the skill for a brush.

Yah, I have struggled so much in the past with spraying I am really glad I gave it another chance. Cheers!

Is there a difference between the Rusto Pro and Rusto Topside?

It seems most people here use them interchangeably...

I have absolutely no idea. I wish I did, anybody know? I was going to give them a call one day to find out the difference - got side tracked. Sorry man!

I was just on the Lowes website and didn't see anything that looked like your gun. What make and model are you using? And what are you supplying it with? Regular air compressor? How many CFM? Or HVLP rig? I'm impressed with your results.

Yah, I don't seem to be able to pull it up on their site, hmmmmm.

Well, this is the one I have...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180606273408#vi-content

I paid more for it though, rats!!! Ah, weak moment, darn!

I'm using this air compressor (picked it up for about $100 years ago)...

http://www.amazon.com/Campbell-Hausfeld-WL6501-Horizontal-Compressor/dp/B00080ODUK

Don't be too impressed man - check back when I do the rest, eh! Hopefully I can turn out some better results.

Thanks! Very helpful! Paint is really looking good, and from you pictures I can't even tell that there are runs. Looking great . I'm going to need to get some better lights for my garage now that you bring it up. Were you going to use another color to do a stripe of some sort, or just all white? Happy New Year also!

Yah, I really wished I had about a dozen big work lights in there so I could see better. I really wanted to get moving, my bad, live and learn.

Ahhhhh, color. Good question. I continue to struggle with that decision. Stay tuned!

Cheers guys!

 

[jasoutside]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

Got up way too early again...

But I got the boat upright, suspended, and the hull never touched a thing!

Uh, well, except I rocked it a little on my ladder when I forgot to move it out of the way. Got my first scratch. Aaakk!

Oh well, now that's out of the behind me

It took me probably 2, almost 3 hours to get her upright without crashing and burning. I was working way slow and careful.

I ended up with two keeper straps at the stern, my chain hoist at the bow and two keeper straps hitched through the fuel/vent holes. I set it up this way so the hull is supported all around. That way I can get in there and work on it and the paint can take as long as it wants to cure, cool!

After getting all the paint stuff cleaned up and put away I started putting stuff back in the boat. Fuel tank set in place (loose at the moment) and the stringers riveted back down...

And today, working in shorts and tshirt! Outside temps at 45 and the garage at 65, nice. Won't last though, long winter yet to go!

Welcome 2011!

 

[fshngho]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

With a boat that size and your self proclaimed "nominal skills", you sure are making it look too easy. You sure you haven't done this before?
Still da man Jas.

 

[tomynoks]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

QUOTE:

Bruce has me thinking about a straight on, totally flat deck, no seat boxes now though, ugh. Never even crossed my mind till he mentioned it.

I'd really dig the super clean look of just a straight forward deck with no seat boxes. I could also cut my deck building time and materials down by at prolly 1/2. Rig would be lighter too.

But man, I'd be giving up some storage space. And no fish box/livewell either!

Here would be the kicker - with no seat boxes that would be two less seats for riders (maybe four less depending on how I build em). The other stuff I might be willing to sacrifice but seating is probably the deal breaker for me.

Jason, I went with a totally flat deck too.. at first, I built seat boxes... It was horrible to fish out of... Now I have a flat deck... (side panels going in tomorrow!!) I'm using lock-n-pin seat mounts, which are "ALMOST" flush with the deck and the posts and seats can be thrown up front when not in use. I rarely use seats while fishing or even cruising... So it's nice to have all that walking room. You can add seat boxes later or even make them removable.. I'm going to make the cabin removable on mine one day... for nice warm fishing days.....

 

[jasoutside]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

OK, got some stuff done this am...

This bow arch was rotted so it needed to come out. I have left it in so far as it's somewhat structural.

A bit of a pain since I could hardly reach the screws. Took me a while.

I also picked away at some more rivets and such.

Man, it's HOT today! I think it's like 50 out today, sun is out and the snow is nearly gone, wow.

 

[jasoutside]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

OK, so tomy brought it up - I went ahead and mocked up what seats might look like...

Option #1 - Seat Boxes

You have to imagine that this cooler would be enclosed with epoxied wood (painted or vinyl too) and would serve as my livewell. On starboard side the box size would be identical but all storage. There would be a raised section (maybe 8" in front of the cooler there, kinda level with the bow hatch, all built in). Behind the helm seat there would be a cushion that I could lift up and access the inside. Same on both sides. Seating for a grand total of 4 boaters, plus two jump seats which makes for 6.

Kinda sorta something like this...

I think I can swing something similar.

For the helm my challenge will be fitting in a steering console. With me sitting in there you can see that I have about 10" or so to work with...

Advantages for seat boxes would be that I have a livewell/fishbox, tons of storage and total seating for six.




Option #2 - No Seat Boxes

Helm seats on poles...

Advantages for seats on poles would be less weight, less building I'd need to do, lots of room on the deck.

Both would be fine options. I'll need to stew on this a little I think.

As always, comments welcome!

 

[drewpster]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

To me the deciding factor would be the amount of stowage on board. Our other boat has seat posts similar to the last picture. The benifit is the amount of room it offers to move around the deck. No boxes taking up space. But sometimes it sure is nice to have the boxes to stow stuff in. I was reminded of that everytime we took a roll and something skated across the deck because I had nowhere to stow it secure.
First rule: You will have more stuff on board than you want to have, especially if you have a family.
Rule two: You will never have enough places to stow it.
Personally, I'm building boxes.

go with your gut
drewp

 

[jasoutside]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

I think I would really like the wide open spaces with no boxes, but I am with ya drew. With my big ol family comes stuff! Life jackets, towels, sweatshirts, snacks, tackle, lunch, water, rain gear, stuff, stuff, stuff. And I hate a cluttered deck. Plus the extra seating, plus the built in fish box - I think I may be ok with sacrificing the open space for what I get in return building seat boxes.

Thanks for stopping in!

 

[Huron Angler]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

I've had my 16' SS for a year now and storage is a major issue so far, so I know that's a big concern and seems to always be lacking on any boat I've ever been on.

I think that in your case the cabin provides most of the storage you will need, so I'd opt for maybe a box on the portside for the livewell and keep the helm open.

When you need to jump into the stern to set the hook on a 20+ lb Chinook you don't want anything in the way

Keep in mind that not many people will want to be riding in the bow when it's bouncing so the cabin will usually be vacant and available to keep stuff dry and out of the way.

I can't believe the weather lately, all our snow is almost gone over here too!

Nice work, looking forward to seeing what you decide to do with the seating.

 

[djpeters]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

Man, your making some serious progress! Looks good.

 

[tomynoks]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

I agree w/ HA... except trhat i wouldn;t have any permanent boxes anywhere..lol He's right on the money about fighting big fish and tripping over boxes... I want as much flat deck as possible... I tried it with two 4' boxes, one on each side.. wow.. it really sucked for fishing IMO... but that is the beauty of building your own... eventually, hopefully you come up with what will work for you. I'd hate to see you build in two boxes, just to find out later that you didn;t like them, like I did. If you are converting that cooler into a livewell, you could have two places to put it...one way up front port-side and against the splashwell in back. They make little corner brackets to keep your cooler in place or you can build your own. Using this type of seat base, http://www.basspro.com/Springfield-Marine-Kingpin™-Stainless-Steel-Deck-Bases/product/22452/-501362 you can keep your deck completely open with no posts or seats in the way.. Walmart carries a cast aluminum one for around $20.. Another thing you could do is to cover your deck first, then build in removable boxes and have the best of both worlds.. I like how that paint is coming long man!!... Mine will get paint in the spring... or probably summer when it's too hot for anything else!!!

 

[havingfun2]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

when it comes to actually landing (not fighting) fish..where is the entry point?

I'll suggest the stern!

On ya..you will have another big i/o dog house there!!..anything(seats/boxes etc etc) on either side?

On a 20 ft something boat..I'm not sure why one would give up "up front" storage space for captain pedistal seats.

 

[tomynoks]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

Wherever you can get a net on the fish is the entry point!! lol I don't know about anyone else, but actually prefer standing even when cruising at WOT... I rarely sit in a boat unless I'm out all night just relaxing... but when the action is on, I'm on my feet. I think the Chieftains have plenty of storage in the cabin and I'm using the space under the splashwell for additional storage. I can even hatch-in the space in the bow if I need more storage..

 

[jasoutside]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

I've had my 16' SS for a year now and storage is a major issue so far, so I know that's a big concern and seems to always be lacking on any boat I've ever been on.

I think that in your case the cabin provides most of the storage you will need, so I'd opt for maybe a box on the portside for the livewell and keep the helm open.

When you need to jump into the stern to set the hook on a 20+ lb Chinook you don't want anything in the way

Keep in mind that not many people will want to be riding in the bow when it's bouncing so the cabin will usually be vacant and available to keep stuff dry and out of the way.

I can't believe the weather lately, all our snow is almost gone over here too!

Nice work, looking forward to seeing what you decide to do with the seating.

Well, here is the thing on my bow hatch storage. The front bow hatch will be taken up by the fuel tank and flotation. I really cant fit anything more in there. Except maybe a "groover" that is just the right size (anybody know what that is). The port/starboard hatches will easily be filled up with PFD's, safety gear, tool box, and the anchor. So, now I need space for all the other stuff. Port side seat box would be the fish box, that is where I keep that 20# salmon (in my dreams, insert purple dancing unicorn here) and sodas. So now I have all the tackle, clothing and what not stuff. Yup, I think I need that starboard side box.

It's great to kick these things around! You guys are really helping me talk this through. Thanks!

Man, your making some serious progress! Looks good.

Thanks bro!

Hey, I am looking for an update on that V5 of yours buddy. Your Starcraft is an 2011 launch too!

I agree w/ HA... except trhat i wouldn;t have any permanent boxes anywhere..lol He's right on the money about fighting big fish and tripping over boxes... I want as much flat deck as possible... I tried it with two 4' boxes, one on each side.. wow.. it really sucked for fishing IMO... but that is the beauty of building your own... eventually, hopefully you come up with what will work for you. I'd hate to see you build in two boxes, just to find out later that you didn;t like them, like I did. If you are converting that cooler into a livewell, you could have two places to put it...one way up front port-side and against the splashwell in back. They make little corner brackets to keep your cooler in place or you can build your own. Using this type of seat base, http://www.basspro.com/Springfield-Marine-Kingpin™-Stainless-Steel-Deck-Bases/product/22452/-501362 you can keep your deck completely open with no posts or seats in the way.. Walmart carries a cast aluminum one for around $20.. Another thing you could do is to cover your deck first, then build in removable boxes and have the best of both worlds.. I like how that paint is coming long man!!... Mine will get paint in the spring... or probably summer when it's too hot for anything else!!!

I think there are a couple of notable differences between your rig and mine which could surely make for different layout directions. First, the Chief has a bigger cabin than the Islander so more storage space for you up there. The Islander has a bigger deck than the Chief so there is a little more room to walk around. With the seat box in place I'll still be able to easily sand on the deck and reach my bow most rod out of the rod holder.

The other difference is the IO vs. OB. With my IO there is space taken up in the middle but I can walk all the way to the stern to mess with rods and downriggers. Back there I'll have a removable (or fold down) jump seat on each side of the doghouse.

For your Chief tomy, I think no boxes makes a lot of sense. I think for my Islander, boxes seem to be the ticket, eh!

By the way...

When you mentioned that you were going to make a removable top for your rig I kept thinking of my old Bronco XLT that I had in high school. It had the removable fiberglass top. Man that truck was awesome with the top off! Mud bogging became a bit of an issue for my passengers though, whoops!

when it comes to actually landing (not fighting) fish..where is the entry point?

I'll suggest the stern!

On ya..you will have another big i/o dog house there!!..anything(seats/boxes etc etc) on either side?

On a 20 ft something boat..I'm not sure why one would give up "up front" storage space for captain pedistal seats.

Yah, I am with ya. Rare that a fish would be landed midship. Stern, yup!



OK, guys. Decision made. Seat boxes it will be!

Happy Sunday!

 

[fshngho]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

Once again a little slow, but I gotta chime in. I like the set up in the pic and you need boxes. Why? You have young un's that will want to bring all the toys and on overnight trips (actually everytime ) you will need snacks, drinks, clothes, etc. I do love an open deck but, a cluttered deck is dangerous. I would rather have a smaller clean deck than a larger cluttered one. Now do realize I am basing this on my grandkids and the way they can spread 'stuff' from one end of the den to the other. Obviously organization is key. How about a realistic list of items that will be staying onboard and things that may be brought aboard? Then you can plan and allow room for everything without wasteing space.
Yeah, like I could do that. LOL

 

[jasoutside]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

Yah, I am with ya Dale^^^

Thanks buddy!

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OK, next decision that I need to make is color scheme. It seems like I have already made this decision several times, probably because I have! Ugh.

Exterior Options...

Option #1 - Black

I still really want to go black on my hull, I think it looks really sharp!

Option #2 - Blue

I do like this a lot, just not quite as much as the black route though...

Option #3 - Grey

I really like the way Jeff's boat turned out, very cool. He posted this up the other day and just made my life a little more complex, rats...

Interior Options...

Now here is the trick. I really wanted to stay with a three color pallet for the interior. Grey for the deck, white for the seats and vinyl, and then wood tones for the cabin wall, console and a couple of other small items.

So white, gray and wood is what I'd like.

But my new seats are throwing me off a little with that extra blue...

Option #1

Ditch the wood cabin walls and paint them gray or white?

Option #2

Live with a four color pallet: gray, white, wood, blue?

Option #3

Go with a white deck, white seats, wood cabin walls, lil bit a blue in the seats to stay with three colors? (white deck is a little scary for me)



And, I have to keep in mind the exterior color I choose in order to tie the two together.


This decision is a little tougher for me. I want it to look right, ya know?


Here is another question....

Anybody out there in iboats land ever die vinyl? I am thinking about dyeing that little bit of blue vinyl white or gray so I can kick the blue out of the mix.

I dunno, maybe I am stewing over nuttin!!

I am happy to hear any comments or suggestions!

Cheers

 

[Teamster]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

Personally I'm not a fan of white on the bottom of a hull,........

It looks great,....

However I think it spooks shallow water fish,........

If not sure that little bit of blue in the seats is enough to keep you from the black that you want,.......

If your going to go with white in the cabin take a look at "milk house" paint,......I would think it would work great in that environment,...

Yous would have a whole lot more room to move around if yous lost the cabin and hung a 200 tiller in the back!!!!,..............lol....

 

[Teamster]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

so I can kick the blue out of the mix.

Did I just see someone from Michigan say they wanted to "kick blue out of the mix"????