1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

[Triton II]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

OK bro, what are all the rageing Aussies using for decks in their metal boats anyway??

Serious fishing tinnies mainly have aluminium decks. Family/weekender boats like my cuddy-tinny normally have carpeted ply decks from the factories with an option of welded-in, aluminium, self-draining decks. Most guys paint their aluminium decks white to keep the deck (and boat!) cooler in our hot/humid/sunny weather. (BTW, Check out the floods we're having here in Queensland. An area bigger than France is underwater - the sun has been noticeably absent for months and here in south-eastern Queensland we had over six months worth of rain in December alone!) Dark coloured painted ply decks can get very hot, so with the littlies your thoughts of some kind of light coloured, non-slip deck material is a great idea.

TII

 

[KellyC]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

Yah, I kinda figured that might be the case - spose I needed somebody to confirm. That blue is very deep/dark. No sweat! Thanks Kelly!

Hey, whats happening with that motor of yours?? What are you up to lately?

Later!

Well the last I did was engine compression which was good. I still need to pull the motor out and then start tearing things apart. The weather has nto been to good here and this boat will not fit into my garage which sucks. So either to cold or to wet or the freaking wind is blowing. But I did get an engine stand today, now need an engine hoist to go with it. Still looking for a donor boat for a newer outdrive and motor if I can find one. But need to find out how to get rid of a glass hull first. I heard that they charge by the pound here at the dump so not sure just yet.
Kelly

 

[jasoutside]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

Check out the floods we're having here in Queensland. An area bigger than France is underwater - the sun has been noticeably absent for months and here in south-eastern Queensland we had over six months worth of rain in December alone!

Wow!!!!! Holy smokes! Dude that is crazy!!! All the best to our neighbors on the south side of the planet!

But need to find out how to get rid of a glass hull first. I heard that they charge by the pound here at the dump so not sure just yet.

I am thinking you could do one of two things with a donor boat up your way...

Steal the motor and turn around and offer it up on clist as free. I bet somebody grabs it right up!

Or, (if your donor boat is really bad) over time you could just slowly cut away smaller pieces and put them out with the regular trash.

Rock on man!

I have used dye from several manufacturers. If you dont mind redoing it every now and again It will peel soner or later

Hmmmmmm....

That is some good info there PST, thanks man! Yah, not so much looking to have the die peel away down the road. OK, well, I think that pretty well seals the deal for me. Meaning, I can make two more decisions regarding my color scheme....

#1 These seats will stay blue on white

#2 This boat hull will be blue on white

Interesting. I'm pretty sure I made that decision a couple of months ago too. Thanks for sticking with me guys. OK, so that means I have one decision yet to make regarding my color scheme.




Option #1 - wood cabin walls, white deck, white/blue seats

I have something cooked up for the wood on the cabin walls. Nothing fancy at all, just kinda cool. But, to stay with the three color scheme the deck would need to be white (white, blue, wood). Like I mentioned, I am a little nervous about a white deck. I am wondering even after washing/cleaning traffic patterns will start to show over time on that white, ya know.


Option #2 - gray cabin walls, gray deck, white/blue seats

I am leaning towards this option at the moment. I lose my wood walls but gain the gray deck which I feel a bit more comfortable walking around on (worms, fish guts, shoes, dirt, kids...).


Option #3 - wood cabin walls, gray deck, white/blue seats

Maybe I am just being picky but this option gives me four colors and I think I'd rather not go that way. Though, I do get to keep the wood walls and keep the gray deck going this way.


Always happy to hear your comments guys!

Cheers!

 

[fshngho]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

Ya know I could solve your problem by buying those seats off ya, then you can get ones to color match what you want. Just an offer, no need to thank me. It's not like I would worry about a little color difference on my boat. You sure a Sharpie wouldn't take care of this problem???
Keep going Bro, looks great,
BTW, you do realize we only have two more months until spring????

 

[jasoutside]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

BTW, you do realize we only have two more months until spring????

Dude, I am in Michigan so you'll need to double that figure. I'm going to need every one of those cold winter days to make this rig water ready

 

[fshngho]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

You are now in a heated garage (see, I am paying attention) so you can't milk that goat. I know, I know,...we don't have a finish date, BUT your sons need to hit the water as soon as it becomes liquid.

 

[jasoutside]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

You are now in a heated garage (see, I am paying attention) so you can't milk that goat. I know, I know,...we don't have a finish date, BUT your sons need to hit the water as soon as it becomes liquid.

I hear ya buddy. I have to say, I am getting really accustomed to working in that heated space I hope I'm not getting too soft, I might turn into one of those whiny southern guys. You know...

"It got really cold out (50 degrees) so I had to put on a sweatshirt."

 

[kilowatts]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

Hi Guys:

If I might make a suggestion regarding the cabin partitions:

My understanding is that they are not load bearing so you could use "Starboard" brand sheeting. I've had a lot of success with this product and it can be had in several colors and thicknesses. If you do actually use it you will have no more maintenance issues as it's completely inert. It does have a couple of drawbacks, nothing will stick to it so don't try, and it is kind of expensive, although the no maintenance thing would tend to outweigh the cost. I think the applicable thickness could be from 1/8" to 3/8". Check out the website and see!

kilowatts

 

[jasoutside]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

Yah KW, I think that Starboard is some pretty sweet stuff, pricey, but excellent. I think for this application sealed up exterior plywood should fit the bill. Thanks for swinging by buddy!

 

[jasoutside]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

OK, I have been stewing on it. I think the direction this color scheme is going I feel like the wood toned cabin walls might not be the way to go. I think painted white or gray might work a little better.

Bummer, I had some ash barn beams over a century in age that I was re-sawing to 3/4" material for the cabin walls. Ah well, another project maybe.

Having said that, this is pretty well the scheme I'll be headed towards with just a few differences here and there...

I think the next thing I need to decide is decking material.

Option #1 - Rustoleum over sand or rubber granules

Obviously this option is way cost effective, using sand even more so. I'll paint up some test pieces to see what would be better - sand vs. granules.

Option #2 - Nautolex DecoDot

Nice stuff, $20 a running yard puts me at about $200ish including shipping and adhesive. I sent for some samples...

This Medium Gray is pretty cool...

Option #3 - DuraBak/Kiwi Grip

I'd really like to go this route but I am guessing that I'd be pushing the $300 mark (maybe more) to do it right. Man, that is some $$$.

 

[colobiker]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

Yo!,

I dont know if its been mentioned before..
but how about installing pickup bedliner (comes in a bunch of different colors now)
and is virtually impervious to anytyhing. Then you can install snaps and have a snap in/ snap out carpet.

just popped into my head, I dont know it is has been mentioned or if it has been done.. if its been mentioned
I blame the repeat on my stuffed up head.

Have a great day

 

[jasoutside]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

It seems like I have read mixed results on bedliner. I have found that some guys swear by it while others swear at it. The snap in carpet has crossed my mind, $$$ though.

Cheers!

 

[Huron Angler]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

I used bedliner on my 12' tinny interior(pre-iboats days) and found out the hard way that it's not the best material to use on a boat.

It's not impervious to gasoline and when my little motor spit out some fuel it broke it right down. I used the 3M bedliner too, not a cheap brand.

Jason, I didn't see where you are considering the other Nautolex, it's cheaper

Is that medium gray light enough to stay cool even in the sun? Looks almost dark enough to get hot...if the sun ever comes out here in Michigan

 

[jasoutside]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

I used bedliner on my 12' tinny interior(pre-iboats days) and found out the hard way that it's not the best material to use on a boat.

It's not impervious to gasoline and when my little motor spit out some fuel it broke it right down. I used the 3M bedliner too, not a cheap brand.

Yah, this is the kinda stuff I have been hearing.

Jason, I didn't see where you are considering the other Nautolex, it's cheaper

Well, I really like the look and texture of the DecoDot. Also, that $20 is for the 72" wide stuff (which I need) so I think that's a pretty darn good price.

Is that medium gray light enough to stay cool even in the sun? Looks almost dark enough to get hot...if the sun ever comes out here in Michigan

Looking at it my guess is it should be just fine. A wet kid climbing in from a swim would certainly cool it off if it gets too hot. I'd say that a fish flopping around on the deck would also do that but my skills as a fisherman are even worse than boat building!

I'm still not sold on going vinyl for the deck. The huge advantage I see with a roll on product (DuraBak, Rusto) is that I can re-coat if it gets nasty down the road. Vinyl, not so much (though it would take a lot for it to get nasty).

Jury is still out on this one. Once I do some test samples with the Rusto/Rubber, Rusto/Sand I think I'll know more. I think I'd really prefer the DuraBak over all the other stuff. Man, talk about $$$ though! I might end up biting the bullet on this one.

 

[kilowatts]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

Hi Guys:

In regard to the Nautolex:
Because my boat had a badly scarred and pierced fiber-glass liner, I sealed the holes properly and then covered strategic areas with "Seadeck" brand decking material. There's often a "click-on" ad on the iboats website right next to the forum section. It's very similar to the Nautolex product. It looks and feels really great and does the job extremely well with one caveat; it's very difficult to clean and regular boat type dirt sticks to it and you have to clean it off with some kind of cleaner, hot water and a scrubbing brush, it's not just a quick rinse and done!
That said, if I were in your shoes I'm certain I'd use some type of stick down decking vinyl just as they do at the factory. In fact the pics you keep posting are exactly what I'd do color and all. You can't beat gray, eh? I used "Ducan" brand decking material from one of the big box hardware stores and it's identical to the marine stuff at half the price. Hope this helps.

kilowatts

 

[Deadwood]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

Holy Crapaloola Jas, Are you too far along to do this?
(That would be an I/O ain't it EZ???)

http://www.gizmag.com/amphibious-do...nder-the-virtual-hammer/17460/picture/127174/

 

[starcrafter65]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

I did the decko dot on my first and didn't like it - it scuffs very easily, shows all dirt because it is one color and hurts to kneel on...

Just my 2cents

 

[jasoutside]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

Hi Guys:

In regard to the Nautolex:
Because my boat had a badly scarred and pierced fiber-glass liner, I sealed the holes properly and then covered strategic areas with "Seadeck" brand decking material. There's often a "click-on" ad on the iboats website right next to the forum section. It's very similar to the Nautolex product. It looks and feels really great and does the job extremely well with one caveat; it's very difficult to clean and regular boat type dirt sticks to it and you have to clean it off with some kind of cleaner, hot water and a scrubbing brush, it's not just a quick rinse and done!
That said, if I were in your shoes I'm certain I'd use some type of stick down decking vinyl just as they do at the factory. In fact the pics you keep posting are exactly what I'd do color and all. You can't beat gray, eh? I used "Ducan" brand decking material from one of the big box hardware stores and it's identical to the marine stuff at half the price. Hope this helps.

kilowatts

Great info KW!! Thanks a ton!

Holy Crapaloola Jas, Are you too far along to do this?
(That would be an I/O ain't it EZ???)

http://www.gizmag.com/amphibious-do...nder-the-virtual-hammer/17460/picture/127174/

Nah, I'd just need a few more 4" cutting wheels for my angle grinder and some extra 3M 5200 to build that rig, no sweat. Except, I wonder if Nautolex would work in there?

I did the decko dot on my first and didn't like it - it scuffs very easily, shows all dirt because it is one color and hurts to kneel on...

Just my 2cents

Excellent info SC65!l Thanks!

So, based on what SC65 is reporting (along bunch of other comments) I am backing out of the vinyl deck route. Probably the major reason is because of my seat boxes. See, I want a complete seal between the deck and the seat box. There is no way in the world I have the skills to seam any vinyl, deck to box, not even close. What that means is I'd have to wrap the seat boxes separately from the deck which will create a small void between the box and the deck for water to hang out.

So vinyl is out of the mix which means I am down to a roll on, paint on sort of a deal. DuraBak/Kiwigrip, Rusto/Rubber, Rusto/Sand seam to be my best options.

I ran some paint testing this morning with some interesting results. I'll post up later eh!

Cheers guys!

 

[Teamster]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

With a boat your size and because you have the little ones I think some decent open loop marine carpet might be a good option,...

If you seal the deck wood and try to make the floor panels easy to remove to replace the carpet if you needed to some day it would work,...

The carpet is much more comfortable to walk on and I have to imagine your kids will be rolling around and playing on the floor,...

Carpet also doesn't seem to radiate the heat like a vinyl floor dose,...

And carpet is easier to install and covers small construction imperfections much better,...

I used vinyl on my 16 footer and if I ever redo another boat I think I will use carpet,...

 

[jasoutside]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

Paint Test #1 - Rustoleum and Rubber - FAIL

So here is what I started with...

I mixed up a batch with primer and painted the bottom side of a bow hatch cover...

No good. The chunks are too big and they didn't lay down off the roller at all. The only way I see this working is to mix up a very thick layer of it so the entire deck is covered with those little granules. I'm not so interested in going down that road, ya know.


Paint Test #2 - Rustoleum and Sand (mixed) - FAIL

So the sand I started with was the finer stuff that you find sitting in 50# bags next to the concrete at the lumber yard...

I mixed it in with the primer until the consistency started to thicken up some. I started to roll it out, wasn't working very well. So, I kinda dumped it out on to the ply and tried to even it out some....

That wasn't working out so well so I grabbed some of these guys...

No marine tax on these since they are for Bondo work (cheap).

I sorta tried to level it out. Didn't work out all that well...

About a minute after I took that photo I scraped all that garbage off and started again.