1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

ezmobee

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Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

Rubber in Rusto? That doesn't sound like a durable combo to me.
 

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Nice hardware. That parts boat was a deal and a half.

Those nodules look good too. I wonder if you can mix them in and use the same durabak rollers to get the texturedlook and so they don't get pushed around by a regular roller. Interlux interdeck does something similar.
 

Huron Angler

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Take a little piece of ply and do some tests with rustoleum and then walk on it, etc to see how it holds up. Not a bad winter project.:)

I've been very impressed with the rusto on my little tinny. Not sure how it would work with granules.

I just love seeing all that "Thumper" still has to contribute to this project. Can't wait until I own some property that is suitable for storing "parts boats.":D

Nice work, keep it up or you will get cold!
 

jasoutside

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Rubber in Rusto? That doesn't sound like a durable combo to me.

No, not so much? Bad idea ya think? Because the Rusto isn't up for the job or those granules? Or, the whole works is just dumb? Whatduya thinking buddy?

I'm pretty sure I read that somebody went the Rustolium route on their deck around here maybe??

Nice hardware. That parts boat was a deal and a half.

Those nodules look good too. I wonder if you can mix them in and use the same durabak rollers to get the texturedlook and so they don't get pushed around by a regular roller. Interlux interdeck does something similar.

Yah, that Baja just wasn't for me but a bunch of the parts were!

Hey man, I am trying to estimate my costs if I go the Durabak route. I re-read your thread and it seems to me you ended up using 1 gal of textured and 1 gal of smooth, bout right?

My guess is that I'd need prolly 3 gal (maybe even 4 gal) to cover everything. My current plan is to Rusto/Durabak/Kiwi Grip/Interdeck the deck, lower gunwale curtains, inside gunwale storage, helm dash, seat boxes, and part of the doghouse. Kind of a lot.

Durabak = $120/gal
Kiwi = $125/gal
Interdeck = $125/gal
Rustolium = $25/gal + granules @ $4ish/gal (roughly) = $30/gal

So as I see it I stand to save $300 (give or take) by going with the Rustolium. Man, that is a lot! Shoot, I could take $300 and grab a 16' Starcraft SS project!:D

On the other hand, if it's terrible I haven't saved anything, huh;)


Take a little piece of ply and do some tests with rustoleum and then walk on it, etc to see how it holds up. Not a bad winter project.:)

Great idea! Test it is! When I start to epoxy up the deck I'll finish up a scrap piece with the sample they sent me and see how it holds up.

Rock on!
 

ezmobee

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Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

I think the Rustoleum will hold up fine. I think with sand in it, it will be fine as well. My concern is with the rubber stuff having some give to it, that it will (on a small scale) flex, crack, and chip off. I'd love to be wrong though and trying it on a piece of plywood, let it cure for a couple weeks and then try to damage it would certainly be a great test.
 

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My concern is with the rubber stuff having some give to it, that it will (on a small scale) flex, crack, and chip off.

Got it, that makes some sense. Yah, we'll run a test and see how it holds up. Saving that kind of $$$ is surely worth looking into!:D

And yah, I got your pm that you really like my tshirt design for the new club, thanks!;)
 

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Got it, that makes some sense. Yah, we'll run a test and see how it holds up. Saving that kind of $$$ is surely worth looking into!:D

And yah, I got your pm that you really like my tshirt design for the new club, thanks!;)

Jas after intensive searching at a personal sacrifice of my precious time, I found a T-Shirt you can distribute to your fellow IB owners.

http://www.amazon.com/Classic-Stupid-T-shirt-Tee-Shirt/dp/B0007MA9FM

Please..no thanks are necessary.:D
 

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And yah, I got your pm that you really like my tshirt design for the new club, thanks!;)

Post that pm up Jas......I for one would like a good laugh. Just use the symbols above the number keys to tone it down a bit.:D
 

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The textured Durabak itself was awesome but it would grab anything you dragged across it like a sponge, mop, etc. The right amount of smooth would take the edge off and leave the grip.

One coating holds dirt and when you add the smooth it seems to show dirt so there is no winning. I'll see how it scrubs clean in the spring to see if I would do it all over again.

If I had to do it again I might have just sprinkled sand on the freshly coated paint and go over it with another coat to get the sand to stay and be willing to do it as often as needed.

Another option is to do the floor in diamond plate alum like some other dude on the forum and be done with it.
 

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Jas, I think the Rusto is gonna be way to thin to use those big rubber granules. I worked in the coatings (traffic bearing liquids) business for good while. We used a bunch of liquid systems that we broadcast sand into as we went. Now sand would probably work with the rusto but you're gonna have to go real thick so you cover most of the sand up letting it stay in place. the thinner you go with the liquid, the more of the sand is gonna come loose over time. Not to mention the larger profile stuff is gonna be tough on bare feet, knees, etc. I know every time I have to kneel and work on my motor, just the vinly tears the ole kneecaps up.
 

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Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

ja
when i did my deck i had a sand blaster near by. i coated the wood in resin and blasted a thin coat of sand on it . it worked at real well. i also had a deal on some anti skid at a marina clearance sale amd added that too the paint.
 

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Man that is so weird Dale...

There was a motion on the floor at our last IO Club meet to accept that shirt as the one we wear when we are hanging out with our OB buddies, awesome!

Motion carries.

(Thanks DW;))

Post that pm up Jas......

Sure thing DJ! I'll just look it up in my pm's there, I think his came right after yours did about wanting to be a member of the club too.

I understand a lot of you OB guys want to be part our fun but I would think an obvious first step is for you guys to come to your senses and actually obtain a rig with an IO in it. Or, convert your OB to an IO, either way would work really well.

:D

The textured Durabak itself was awesome but it would grab anything you dragged across it like a sponge, mop, etc. The right amount of smooth would take the edge off and leave the grip.

One coating holds dirt and when you add the smooth it seems to show dirt so there is no winning. I'll see how it scrubs clean in the spring to see if I would do it all over again.

If I had to do it again I might have just sprinkled sand on the freshly coated paint and go over it with another coat to get the sand to stay and be willing to do it as often as needed.

Jas, I think the Rusto is gonna be way to thin to use those big rubber granules. I worked in the coatings (traffic bearing liquids) business for good while. We used a bunch of liquid systems that we broadcast sand into as we went. Now sand would probably work with the rusto but you're gonna have to go real thick so you cover most of the sand up letting it stay in place. the thinner you go with the liquid, the more of the sand is gonna come loose over time. Not to mention the larger profile stuff is gonna be tough on bare feet, knees, etc. I know every time I have to kneel and work on my motor, just the vinly tears the ole kneecaps up.

That is some super good info there sprint and NB, thanks for posting up - really helps a lot!

Initially I was thinking that sand might be too rough. Maybe with the right amount of paint over top of a small amount of sand.....

I also read walnut shells somewhere too maybe???

I'll still run a little test with those rubber granules, hardly any extra work on my part.

ja
when i did my deck i had a sand blaster near by. i coated the wood in resin and blasted a thin coat of sand on it . it worked at real well. i also had a deal on some anti skid at a marina clearance sale amd added that too the paint.

Blaster over epoxy, that would give a deck a nice texture!


I know deck finishing materials is really down the road some but I like to think ahead just a few steps so I am ready when that time comes, ya know! Actually, hull paint and deck paint should be just about the last steps in this rebuild process, man that will be awesome when I get there!

Thanks guys for chipping in!


I have been kinda picking away at running duct work from my wood furnace in the basement out to the garage. I'd really like to have that in place and ready to go when I start to paint the bottom of the big girl's hull - should really help the whole process.

Rock on guys!:D
 

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Man that is so weird Dale...

There was a motion on the floor at our last IO Club meet to accept that shirt as the one we wear when we are hanging out with our OB buddies, awesome!

Motion carries.

(Thanks DW)

Thats just downright mean.:p Now why did I think you would reply like that? LOL

Jas I think you are over complicating the deck. We are bottom feeders, right?
Rusto with some sand has worked before (or so I have read). Carpet the cabin and paint/sand the aft deck. There buddy, problem solved.;)
 

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Now why did I think you would reply like that? LOL

Jas I think you are over complicating the deck. We are bottom feeders, right?
Rusto with some sand has worked before (or so I have read). Carpet the cabin and paint/sand the aft deck. There buddy, problem solved.;)

Dude, you set em up, I knock em down. So easy:D


Yah, I'll even go one less on your plan their Dale - as comfortable as it is, no carpet anywhere, eh!
 

Huron Angler

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I'd just go with a marine vinyl deck, the nautolex is almost identical to what these boats came with from the factory.

Many 30 year old Starcrafts still have factory vinyl so it holds up pretty well.:)
 

jasoutside

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I'd just go with a marine vinyl deck, the nautolex is almost identical to what these boats came with from the factory.

Many 30 year old Starcrafts still have factory vinyl so it holds up pretty well.:)

I agree with Mike. Seriously Jason, that stuff is NICE and really really durable. I think it's pretty cost effective also considering.

http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|10918|311409|311410&id=23740

Aaaaaakkkkkkk! Now you guys have me really thinking! Killen my budget too!

Here is what I really want, and have since the beginning really...
http://www.garysupholstery.com/deckodot.html

That Deco Dot is sweeeet!

Ok, so let's do some math here...

I'd prolly need, oh say 8 yards, rough guess...

$160 for vinyl

$60 for adhesive

$35 to ship

So $255ish???

Hmmmmmmmm....

Bite the bullet?:confused:
 

Huron Angler

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I got my Nautolex shark for about $16/yd and it came with the adhesive. I can contact the guy I bought it thru if you want to get a good price. He's up north and always willing to help a fellow boater.:)

I paid about $160 for 9 yards and love the stuff to death. Best material to put on a boat I've seen.

I have not seen the deco dot firsthand but Mark42 sure loves it on his Bayliner so it seems like a good product too. That stuff is trickier to install since you have to line up the patterns correctly of it looks goofy.
 

jasoutside

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Ah! Focus Jason, focus man! Come on.

You already decided against the vinyl, remember?!




........


Hey, whats that, oooooooo a shiny light, gotta go!





:D
 
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