1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

proshadetree

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Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

What do you mean way easier? Hey man scratch my back hurry I cant reach that spot
 

jasoutside

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Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

OK, topside is sanded and ready for paint.

Here are a couple of before/after shots...

Stern deck before...
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Stern deck after...
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Starboard gunwale before...
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Starboard gunwale after...
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Bow deck after...
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I know it doesn't look all that special in the photos but it's pretty smooth, eh!:D
 

jasoutside

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Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

I also jumped on the upper hull this morning and finished up the port side.

Before...
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After...
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...and after...
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Before...
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After...
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(That seat there on the bottom left of the photo was awesome for this work - pumps up and down, rolls along, great for sanding away! Works well for saving the knees and back. Freebe trash find too! Knew it would come in handy someday.)

My basic routine has been to start with 100 grit and work my way through to 220 cleaning after each pass with vinegar/water. The paint is pretty good on the hull with the exception of all the dock rash. I am trying my best to have all that rash feathered out and everything nice and smooth. Seems like it's going pretty well anyway. Hopefully I can get the port side done tomorrow.

It's slow progress but progress all the same!

Have a great weekend guys!:D
 

proshadetree

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Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

When you go to prime prime only the bare spots first. Then prime whole boat it should smooth out great for you.
 

Triton II

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When you go to prime prime only the bare spots first. Then prime whole boat it should smooth out great for you.

Couldn't agree more, that's exactly how to minimise any high spots. Where you have a large circular bare patch start the primer in the centre and work outwards, feathering to the circumference. But you know all that so I'll shut up now! Great work as always Jason, keep it up mate! :cool:

TII
 

jasoutside

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Thanks for keeping tabs on me guys!

Yah, I believe I'll be spending a whole lot of time with very fine grit sandpaper in hand too, eh!

One thing that doesn't really show in the photos is all the tiny nicks and such that is down to the bare alum. I'll need to cover just about the whole boat in ZC primer. No prob, just take my time and do the best I can with what I have.:D

Quick question for anybody who would like to jump in...

Wet sanding vs. dry sanding - is there a particular reason I would transition over to wet? What might be the advantages? I've not ventured into wet sanding before so that is a new game for me - not sure I even need to go down that road with this paint job. Thanks!

Happy Sunday Fellas!
 

pmillar

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Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

I know nothing about painting but I do know that wet sanding keeps the dust down. In general, I go with wet sanding if it's really fine as it can help keep the sandpaper from loading up ~440 and up... used to do sand with 1000 to clean up the bottom of glass sailboats (racing days in salt water) Of course it makes a real mess in other ways if you're indoors.

And man, you're up early for a weekend. Leave plenty of time to scrape the car if it's parked outside. It was raining down here (A2) when I went to bed, now there's a nice cover of snow on everything. It's safe to say there's a nice layer of ice is hiding underneath all the snow.
 

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Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

ja

i like wet sand vs dry. it seems to definetly cut dust and makes the paper last longer. i add a drop of dish soap to the water. and i like to wash the project with tide soap before the final prep to paint.


http://www.ehow.com/how_5005338_wet-sand-boat.html



"When preparing a boat's surface for a new paint job or coat of varnish, many boaters have discovered that wet sanding works better than dry sanding. Wet sanding produces no airborne dust, and the residue that it does produce on the boat can be removed easily with a sponge when sanding is done. Also, wet sanding keeps the sandpaper from wearing down as quickly, which saves on sandpaper costs."
 

fshngho

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Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

Very impressive Jas. As you were sanding the gunwales did you, or are you also sanding/polishing the trim? I know its extra work but at least now you don't have to worry about hitting the paint. Gotta be done sooner or later. It does look like you have from what I can see.
You got the correct replies on wet sanding. Go for it.:D
 

jasoutside

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I know nothing about painting but I do know that wet sanding keeps the dust down. In general, I go with wet sanding if it's really fine as it can help keep the sandpaper from loading up ~440 and up... used to do sand with 1000 to clean up the bottom of glass sailboats (racing days in salt water) Of course it makes a real mess in other ways if you're indoors.

And man, you're up early for a weekend. Leave plenty of time to scrape the car if it's parked outside. It was raining down here (A2) when I went to bed, now there's a nice cover of snow on everything. It's safe to say there's a nice layer of ice is hiding underneath all the snow.

Thanks for checking in man! Yah, 4am is my normal up and attem time. 5am is sleeping in and 6am would be downright lazy for me. Course, my mind turns to pudding at 8pm and I straight up turn into a pumpkin at 9pm.

Yup, it's a blowing and snowing out there up my way too buddy! Getting ready to throw another log on the fire.:D

Dealing with all the dust is fine for now but I can sure see the advantage of minimizing dust once I start putting topcoats on.

ja

i like wet sand vs dry. it seems to definetly cut dust and makes the paper last longer. i add a drop of dish soap to the water. and i like to wash the project with tide soap before the final prep to paint.


http://www.ehow.com/how_5005338_wet-sand-boat.html



"When preparing a boat's surface for a new paint job or coat of varnish, many boaters have discovered that wet sanding works better than dry sanding. Wet sanding produces no airborne dust, and the residue that it does produce on the boat can be removed easily with a sponge when sanding is done. Also, wet sanding keeps the sandpaper from wearing down as quickly, which saves on sandpaper costs."

See my pea sized brain was telling me that a wet sand would have gummed up the whole works rather than make the paper last longer. Huh, that is cool! Thanks for the info jspano!

Very impressive Jas. As you were sanding the gunwales did you, or are you also sanding/polishing the trim? I know its extra work but at least now you don't have to worry about hitting the paint. Gotta be done sooner or later. It does look like you have from what I can see.
You got the correct replies on wet sanding. Go for it.:D

Nah, haven't really done anything with the trim yet. Yah, my plan is to spiff up all the trim right before I start laying down paint on the topside. I want to wait for much of the other work to be done first (motor, deck, etc.) as I know I'll be scratching them up.

For now, what I will do, is go back and try to level out those trim spots where I scabbed two pieces together (as best I can). That is kinda dusty dirty work and really should be done now. At some point I'll fill in the cracks with JB or something and sand/buff em smooth. They are in pretty rough shape and I am really looking forward to making them look good (someday)!:D



Well gents, I did find my way to the garage today and got the whole starboard side sanded down. Cool!:cool: All that sanding gets to be a drag after a while but I just love it compared to wire wheeling an old rusty trailer!:)

I still need to get it all cleaned up yet, once I do I'll shoot up a couple of photos.

C ya!
 

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Call me crazy ( you wouldn't be the first) but your explanation sounded like a government employee? Ok so you are setting the standard for learning as you are destined to do. The steps and alternitives are a sure sign of advancement. Jas you are teaching more people than you know :D Isn't that what you are about?

I am here wityha ya bro. And if I may say so, proudly.
 

jasoutside

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Dude, you give me way too much credit. Want proof? It probably won't break single digit temps and I am doing paint prep! If that isn't enough I have a beach of blue and white paint dust on the floor of my garage now (along with everything else too)!

Speaking of gov. employee - snowday today!!!! Whooooppppeeeeee!!!

(public education has it advantages sometimes)

I spent the morning working hard on the rig though!

First up, here is the before and after of the starboard hull...

Before...
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After...
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Before...
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After...
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Before...
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After...
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As you can see I am fixing a whole lot of dock rash there.

Apparently I can't leave well enough alone either as I went back and ran one more sanding pass over the entire topside. Ok, that is enough on that.

Then, I got everything cleaned up/wiped down.

So, with that, the upper hull and topside is ready for primer/paint now (even though it won't see any for a very long time). Cool!
 

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Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

After that, I got after the trim a little.

I started out just trying to sand even the scabbed in sections, check it out...

Before...
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After...
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Before...
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After...
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Before...
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After...
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Not great, but better anyway. At the moment I am thinking JB as a filler for those cracks unless any of you guys have a better suggestion, eh!
 

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Wow the stripes just vanished right off the hull. Were they that easy to remove? Seems like the base paint is still adhering pretty well.

I am going to be doing the same on mine this winter, so I think your strategy is just fine.:D

Good thing you moved her indoors this winter, we are on the receiving end of plenty of the white stuff around these parts.:)
 

jasoutside

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Well, then I just kept on rolling on the trim.

I ended up running 220 grit on my orbital sander which chewed it up pretty good (kinda concerned me for a sec). Then I sanded with 220 by hand and things started to look pretty darn good!

Check it out...
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I am really looking forward to seeing what the buffing wheel can do down the road!:)
 

jasoutside

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Wow the stripes just vanished right off the hull. Were they that easy to remove? Seems like the base paint is still adhering pretty well.

I am going to be doing the same on mine this winter, so I think your strategy is just fine.:D

Good thing you moved her indoors this winter, we are on the receiving end of plenty of the white stuff around these parts.:)

Yah, they came off really well. I used 100/120 grit and an easy touch on the sander, came right off!

Paint is really solid for the most part. It would have gone a lot easier had I not had all that dock rash. Man there was a lot!

As I am working on this sanding job I am thinking how much faster it will go on my next project (16 footer). You'll have yours prepped in a jif!:)

Yah, I love winter but doing any of this sort of work outside would have been totally ridiculous! Single digits and blowing like crazy out there!

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OK, next stage is the the tip!

I have decided that flipping this rig is unnecessary. More important, I'm not sure I can actually reach the middle of the hull to paint if it were turtled anyway(without laying on my new paint job:rolleyes:).

So, tip it is! I think I have a plan:D
 

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Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

Nice work. It was a snow day here as well... but I work at home when not traveling so it wasn't so great having the neighborhood kids running around the house.

Man, I need to tie up some lose ends to get the number of projects down to a manageable number... then I might get back to the rear deck replacement on my Crestliner before springtime. :redface: Hopefully, reading threads like this will prove motivational enough to me back on track. My Moto Guzzi needs to carb work before spring as well.:(
 

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ja

you have inspired me on the alum trim, i was wondering how it would look next to a repainted boat. i will follow ur lead.

thanks
 

Triton II

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Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

Nice work Jason, are you going to clear coat the trim or just polish it and let it "age"?

Hope the weather gets better for all of you guys (and gals) over there.

TII
 

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A word about your trim. I was speaking with my powder coater about some options about my aluminum handrails. They are in rough shape and I am either going to have to refinish them or replace them. My powder coater guy recommended I polish them and then let him CLEAR powder coat them so they will not corrode. I have never seen clear powder coat, be he did show me some custom polished wheels that had been done. I am really considering it. If you can remove that trim it may be a viable option for you as well. You could keep that brushed look, and not worry about it turning white with corrosion later.

just a thought

drewp
 
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