1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

[craigweaver]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

I vote for milling your own. I agree that once it's sealed it would be fine. Not to mention the sentimental value of using the resources you have around you. Your kids will tell stories someday to their kids riding around in that Islander how their dad trimmed it out with wood from their own property. Besides if the swim deck needed replacing in 20 years you'd have already worked out the kinks the first time around

 

[jbcurt00]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

Milling your own sounds great! It may add an immense amount of time to your timeline:

Cut the trees, rack & stack, treat the cut ends to prevent checking & cracking,
Cut into 'slabs' of rough sawn, thickness depends on finish dimension & species, rack & stack
Depending on how you to prefer to work w/ the wood, you can air dry it (a year +/-) or kiln dry it. There are pros/cons for each.


I have laid thousands of feet of homeowner land harvested & milled hardwood flooring. More then a couple dozen species. To make flooring, interior & exterior doors/windows/trim & cabinets, the general contractor that did this custom work, would walk your property w/ you and tag the species. Depending on the finished thickness of the wood (3/4" ~ 5/4" +) and the species, this time table varied slightly:

Cut the trees into manageable LONG as possible lengths, treat the ends of the logs, rack & stack for 6mo +/-
Bring the portable mill out to your property & cut rough sawn 2"+/- slabs, rack & stack 6mo +/-
Take the slabs to his mill to produce whatever was needed for your house. Which was a LONG process upto & thru the kiln, often longer then 6mo. I don't know when they went thru the kiln, before, during or after milling into needed profiles, but they were kiln dried to minimize shrink & twist after installation.

If you can pull it off I think it's a great idea, but a 2013 splash may be difficult w/ the milling time constraints. The above is as accurate as I can remember, but I did a quick google search for milling your own lumber & it was similar.

If WOG doesn't weigh in, hit him w/ a PM.

What kind of trees you got growing round your place anyway?

 

[64osby]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

Now, on the porthole glass. I have pretty much struck out. Most places won't even deal with 1/2" and those that do can't make 5 7/8" circle. The fist place I went to @ 76 bux was as good as it gets so far. I guess I was thinking I ought to look into acrylic now maybe??? I need to stay with the 1/2" thickness because of the way the ring is built.

Use 2 - 1/4" pieces, seal the edge to prevent fogging. :noidea:

 

[jasoutside]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

craig, JB - Yah, I could totally go that route. It would take a little time but it could work. On my property I've got mostly red oak, maple, red pine, white pine, cottonwood, poplar - none of which is good for boat building really. But, I could do it for free. The fella I work with would just mill it kiln dry (I think 30 days) and keep half of what I give him as payment. So, very doable if I want to go that route.

BUT! I had another idea this morning:madgrin::madgrin::madgrin::madgrin:
(I need to let it brew just a little yet though)

64 - Yah, that crossed my mind, the two 1/4". I think I'll check on acrylic real quick first and if that doesn't shake out I may very well go that route.

 

[jasoutside]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

So this morning I decided to skip working in the garage. Gearing up to be out there just didn't seem all that appealing today:smow:

Instead, I sat fireside, drank coffee, and spooled up my trolling rods...

These are Okuma Classic Pro rods and Magda Pro reels. Far from professional grade stuff but as you guys know we can spend double in fishing gear than what we have into the boat eh! I grabbed these from this outdoor warehouse type place just north of me, Northwoods. Reels were 27 bux and the rods were 10 bux, that's an unbeatable deal! I grabbed enough to outfit the whole crew...

I did not skimp on line though, PowerPro, I'm a fan. I ran backer so I didn't totally break the bank.

This summer, those rods ^^^ ought to be hauling in walleye, trout, steelhead, salmon, I'm pumped!!!

:encouragement::encouragement::encouragement:

 

[Broadcast]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

Trolling gear?

Now you're talk'in!

I'm stepp'in in what you're lay'in down.

Let's move this thing along. Salmon season in 6 weeks

 

[Teamster]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

Did you just fill them??

Or did you "calibrate" them???

I have 8 Sealines I need to fill and I'm planning on spending the time to make sure that when the counter says x feet out that it really is x feet out,......

Those will be great rods and reels for you, You should get many years of service out of them,...

 

[jasoutside]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

Trolling gear?

Now you're talk'in!

I'm stepp'in in what you're lay'in down.

Let's move this thing along. Salmon season in 6 weeks

Hey Bcast! Ha, yah, yur steppin in something all right:lol:

Six weeks till spring salmon eh. Uh, yaaahhhhh, let's talk fall salmon k?:nevreness:

Did you just fill them??

Or did you "calibrate" them???

I have 8 Sealines I need to fill and I'm planning on spending the time to make sure that when the counter says x feet out that it really is x feet out,......

Those will be great rods and reels for you, You should get many years of service out of them,...

Yah, just filled em, close counts for me. Down the road, if I'm jumping in tournaments n' stuff, maybe I'll calibrate.

Yup, even though they are bottom feeder pricing I fully expect them to last a long time. Kinda one of those things that are much more of a long term investment. Really glad I got em and they are ready to golane:

 

[maddiedog]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

Those are great walleye combos. Get yourself some tattletale boards and your all set. Teach your kids how to make crawler harnesses and you will have 100 beaded beauties. Heres the bad news...10 salmon on those and your drag will be toast...if the rod holds up...I use the 47's or bigger. Just change your leaders and it might work out for you but rigger rods are cheap too.

 

[Sc25175]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

Jas, don't know if you are still taking ideas on the bulkhead material but I would be concerned that whatever material you use will split if it is dimensioned lumber that is biscuit joined. Hit one nice 3 foot wave the boat flexes and CRACK.

My idea would be to take a 1/2 or 1/4 inch sheet of MDO and then take whatever lumber flavor you like mill it to 3/8 or 1/2 and laminate(using epoxy) it to the plywood. You would have the best of both worlds. The nice look on the outside with the structural stability of plywood on the inside which could be painted a light color for better inside visibility.

Just a thought.

 

[jasoutside]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

Just change your leaders and it might work out for you but rigger rods are cheap too.

Yah, I'll add to the arsenal on down the road. The bigger setups are just a few bux more each, so no biggie.

Jas, don't know if you are still taking ideas on the bulkhead material

Yah, I got somthen in the pot at the moment....

But, that bleacher wood, I went biscuits as I knew it was sorta prone to cracking. Course that proved out huh.

I do believe if I go dimensional lumber tongue n' groove will be the joining method. Tongue n' groove on the bleacher stuff would would not at all worked (not that it worked anyway, rats).

 

[jasoutside]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

BUT! I had another idea this morning:madgrin::madgrin::madgrin::madgrin:
(I need to let it brew just a little yet though)

OK, here's what I was thinking.

Many years ago there was a barn that was torn down near the place I grew up. Ah, maybe about 12 years ago now. A quick history check told me that it was built around the turn of the century. I saw what was laying there and figured I might be able to do something with it. So, it's been stored and hauled around for the past decade plus.

Well, how about milling it up and putting it in a boat?

As you can see, a couple of the beams are pretty rough so I don't have any real expectations. The stack is at school and I have some students who will run it through the re saw (slow progress). We'll see how the boards turn out. The idea may not go any further than that, but, worth looking into anyhow.

 

[craigweaver]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

JAS, down here by Owosso (Corunna) we have a company called Reclaimed Wood. They go around picking up all the old barn wood from all the collapsed barns in the area or tearing down old barns farmers want to remove and they mill the wood just plane it to a good surface and build absolutely beautiful furniture out of it. I think that is a great idea and you should be able to find more of that barn wood around if you need it pretty easily. And using the slave, err umm child labor, uhhh students to do the monotonous work is fantastic.

 

[jasoutside]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

Cool that's good info Craig thanks! I need to squeeze 46 board feet out of that, it might be close after I cut all the junk out.

I also have a nearby fella that sells old barn beams if I run short.

We'll see how these turn out, might be all junk, might be awesome:rockon:

 

[GWPSR]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

If you slice it fairly thin (1/4" to 3/8") and laminate it to some luan, you ought to end up with something rock solid that looks vintage.

 

[BSnB]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

Hey man, great to see ya! Yah, hauling your CC down would be a pretty big undertaking eh? How about just going the long way round? You know Lk. Michigan over to Huron then on through the St. Lawrence Seaway, on to the Atlantic.... Fuel might be a bit spendy

Here's what I picked up, cheap on eBay!

Humminbird 597ci HD DI Combo

It's not professional grade gear but it's the best I can do with my budget anyhow.

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K, morning progress was just spent thinking on these bulkheads. I've pretty well ruled out mahogany ply, I'm just not into the dark tone.

I know a guy, who knows a guy, who has a buddy :spy: that can get teak at under 7 bux a board foot which is a super deal. Sadly, when I add up what I need it's really painful. I think I may try to price out black locust see how that comes out.

On the port hole glass, that $76 quote is actually as good as it gets so far. Most places can't even get it/make it. I have one more call to make today to see what I can come up with.

Have a great weekend guys!:joyous:

I like the idea of going the long way around!!!! I'll pick you up on the way!!!

I've looked at that model FF/GPS too. I haven't pulled the trigger on purchase yet because I keep thinking I'll find it juuuuusssst a little cheaper someplace!

 

[jigngrub]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

I hope the "Miss OSB" in that picture does not stand for Miss "Oriented Strand Board". That is one nice looking woody.

It does stand for Miss Oriented Strand Board... and she looks nice because that's mahogany trim.

 

[KennethfromGA]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

Reclaimed wood is big $$$ for the guys who deal in it. (Or at least it can be.) Back when I was yanking a skateboard around the country I used to haul for a local mill that handled it. The owner was always on the verge of bankruptcy cause his business acumen was low and his toy budget was high. That being said the money per board foot was impressive. While I was handling his freight I pulled river timber up from Florida and old barn timber down from Ohio. If your connection with the lumber mill can make tongue and groove out of that barn timber you could sell it for pretty decent money which can then be thrown into your preferred "hull in the water".

 

[InMotion]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

Cool that's good info Craig thanks! I need to squeeze 46 board feet out of that, it might be close after I cut all the junk out.

I also have a nearby fella that sells old barn beams if I run short.

We'll see how these turn out, might be all junk, might be awesome:rockon:

No doubt it will be impressive man!!! Any progress with the wood....

J.

 

[jasoutside]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

Any progress with the wood....

Well, working with students on this stuff is fun, but sloooooooowwwww.

They did work a little on it, not looking good. A lot of checking, cracking, and rot. I'll re evaluate on Monday to see if it's worth the trouble. I may not have enough there for the full 46 BF I need. No bigge, I still have low expectations for this lumber. If it works cool, if not, cool

Have a great weekend fellas:biggrin1: