1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

[Azlo]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

OK, here are the final results...

Paint Test #3 - Rustoleum and Sand (salted) - PASS

Here are a few shots for you guys (one primer coat and two top coats)...

I am really happy with these results!

Up the way oops mentioned that it may be a little rough on bare feet - here is what I am thinking...

One coat of primer and two top coats I think is aok. I do think one of my kiddos running around and falling on a knee would likely get a scrape. I do think with naked feet it will be just barely rough, not uncomfortable though.

Here is some good news on that though...

If it does happen to be too rough, I can always lay down another coat to just ease it up a little. And, I can keep doing that until I am happy with the texture/consistency. Know what I mean? Once this test spot fully cures I think I'll put some bare feet on it and just do a check. If it is too rough I think I'll "salt" that sand into the final coat of epoxy that I lay down on the deck, then prime/paint. See my thought process here?

More thoughts...

If it gets nasty in a few years, grab a quart of Rustoleum from the local hardware store, $8, roll it, done! Easy as pie! DuraBak, a lot more money and a little more complex buy/ship/recoat.

Durabak = about $300ish give or take

Rustoleum and sand = $30ish

So guys, this here backyard boat builder will be going the Rustoleum/sand route! Application wise, maintenance wise, and budget wise, it just really makes sense for me.

Rock on!

Son of a..... very very nice. Thats what I was going for. To test the roughness I used my knees to see how harsh it was on my deck and kept addinng coats untill it was comfortable. But seriously Jas, very nice.


PS, Rusto & Starcraft go together like peanut buuter & jelly, and a dam good price at that.

Pss, have I told how nice your deck is.

 

[jasoutside]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

Son of a..... very very nice. Thats what I was going for. To test the roughness I used my knees to see how harsh it was on my deck and kept addinng coats untill it was comfortable. But seriously Jas, very nice.


PS, Rusto & Starcraft go together like peanut buuter & jelly, and a dam good price at that.

Pss, have I told how nice your deck is.

Thanks a bunch Azlo! Yah I am really digging it!



Hey, here is a bit of an update to my earlier comments...

Now that the paint has cured it's actually feeling really nice. It's hard to put into words, but, while it's still rough, and certainly has texture, there is actually a bit of smoothness to it too. I can wipe my hand right over it and and it comfortably slides just along just fine. I suppose I'd say it's a really happy medium of rough and not so rough, you know. Texture I guess. To clean with a sponge would be no good but a deck brush would probably work really well.

Anyway, that is surely the route I am taking on this deck. Hope it works!

 

[fshngho]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

SOLD!! Ok Sir, I believe I will follow your lead and do the same. It looks great and ya just can't beat the cost. Thanks Bro. Now I will have to back track and re read your instructions.:facepalm:

 

[jasoutside]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

Then, before it was dry, I grabbed some of that sand and basically threw pinches of it onto the primer. It was sorta like salting a fine piece of meat.

^^^^That right there is the key my friend



OK, got the final coat of paint on the bow hatch covers. These are now ready to be covered with vinyl and installed.

 

[LonLB]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

Those deck boards turned out GREAT!!

 

[Triton II]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

Hey, I got to add a line to my signature today. That's good stuff!

1968 15' Starcraft Jet Star... nice. We need pics!

TII

 

[ezmobee]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

He's got a thread going T II

 

[Triton II]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

He's got a thread going T II

D'Oh! Thanks for the heads-up Ez...

TII

 

[jasoutside]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

Those deck boards turned out GREAT!!

Thanks Lon! I still have a little ways to go before I can install though. Just a few things yet to work through.

1968 15' Starcraft Jet Star... nice. We need pics!

TII

Psssst. TII. That was a hint to click on the link buddy.

 

[Triton II]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

Psssst. TII. That was a hint to click on the link buddy.

Yeah, we're a bit slow us Aussies, but I got there eventually...

TII

 

[jasoutside]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

Yeah, we're a bit slow us Aussies, but I got there eventually...

TII

Yah, but when you are as good lookin as you are TII, you can get away with a lot

Hey buddy, I hope the good Lord is running the bilge pump for you guys down there! All the best man!

 

[jasoutside]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

OK, so I ran two more quick tests this morning on the Rustoleum over sand...

Test #1 - Bare Feet - Pass

Pulled the shoes off and stepped on the Rusto over sand. Awesome! Little bit of texture, totally comfortable on the feet, slid them around a little, great! AOK! I do believe I would be comfortable in bare feet all day long on this deck application. Excellent!

Test #2 - Bare Knees - Pass

Did the kneel test. Comfortable on the knees? Well, maybe not comfortable but I definitely wouldn't say uncomfortable. Way better than tolerable. Just fine might be the way to describe it. I also decided to run/scrape them back and forth to try and take some skin off (like a kiddo wiping out). Yah, uncomfortable but skin stayed intact on the knee. I think it would have to be a major high speed wreck to actually take some skin off a knee.

Honestly, I am really surprised at how well this turned out. I definitely had my reservations about the sand and would certainly not have put betting money on it. I thought sure I'd end up going the DuraBak route (which I am sure is nicer/better) but the amount of $$ I am saving is incredible.

 

[fshngho]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

I can't help but think this durability test is coming from someone that gets up at 4 am and runs, then maybe works on the boat, then goes to work, then comes home and loads...what...3 cord of wood. Now, for the wimps on this site (as myself) you think it would be ok Mr. Superman????
Honestly, great work/experimentation/results Jas. I need that kind of determination since I lack it. It's alos good you returned to Big Sista after 'lil Sista came to stay.:facepalm: (did I say that??)

 

[jasoutside]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

I'm no Superman bro. 8pm is like Kryptonite to me, I just turn to pudding.

I am wondering about the long term durability of this set up. I guess I am kinda thinking that I may end up just laying down another coat of Rusto whenever it needs some attention. Every other year maybe? Every third year? Spose it would just depend on how much fishing and abuse it takes in a given year, eh!

 

[PKomrowski]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

The problem I have heard from an expert in that field, who has done this type of things many times is that the sand breaks down. When it breaks the paint over it fails then the paint at the edges of the sand breaks. Thats why i have learned they sell special aggregate thats made for adding to paint, its made from stuff that dose not break (Contains crystalline silica as silicon dioxide). Its more money but he told me that it looks great but after a good bit of traffic it will not look good, and all the customers want it fixed. If you then try to fix it with the right agragite then the patched section looks different, so you have to sand out the whole thing.

Sorry I'm not trying to be a bummer but thats what I have learned.

I am doing a rebuild and am going to use polyester vinyl resin, and paint the bottom of the 1/2 ply with it, then lay fiberglass biaxial cloth on the top and glass it right on, then I will use gel coat or maby just paint it with the rustolum grip aggregate in the white gel or deck coat, and it should turn out just like the new boats look. I will do some testing first though. Cost was not to bad, as its very permanent, and the looks are in my opinion second to nothing. So it was worth it, call the guys at US composites and talk to Steve, lots of good info, with no guessing at what's, what.

 

[fat fanny]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

J as I was reading this the other day I remembered that when I painted my basement floor I bought the floor paint from Wally world and they added the special aggregate for about a buck a gallon and it's been on the floor for about 3 years now and believe me allot of traffic and it's still holding up maybe a little late but for what it's worth try what you got for a year and for the price I'd do the same as you.
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[jasoutside]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

Sorry I'm not trying to be a bummer but thats what I have learned.

Nah, not at all PK! That what this place is all about. We all chip in where we can, share ideas and go from there.

Thanks for stopping by man.

for what it's worth try what you got for a year and for the price I'd do the same as you.

Yah, that is about where I am at fanny. We'll give it a try and maybe I'll need to recoat. Worst case I'll need to sand it down and go with the DuraBak, or, fit some snap in carpet, or, both. I can live with that No biggie.

 

[sprintst]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

The deck looks awesome. Worst case you just hit it with more paint from time to time.

Hopefully the Durabak doesn't stain or it will stay that way

 

[fshngho]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

Jas. I know I have seen the threads, but I can't remember where, what about mixing a bit of sand (sprinkled) over a second or third coat of epoxy? Just a thought that hit me in a moment of possible wisdom. You are the man when it comes to experiments, but I wondered about this. What are your thoughts?

 

[jasoutside]

Re: 1976 22' Starcraft Islander Rebuild

Good question bro!

Well, it crossed my mind that the sand may be too rough so I'd throw it in with the final layer of epoxy, then paint, to soften it some.

I'm not thinking that would be necessary now based my my test there. I ended up with a layer of primer and two top coats over the sand and I think the texture is really ideal.

So, here is what I am going to for the real thing...

The deck will get two (maybe three) coats of epoxy, two light primer coats, sand "salted" into the wet primer, then three top coats of paint.

Caution! Proceed at your own risk! I am not a pro, nor have I ever done this before! I am a block head and a shoddy back yard boat builder!

Although, I can eat pizza like nobody's business, yah baby!!