1974 Ebbtide Restoration - SPLASHED

mercurymang

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I would like to talk drainage for a minute. I am trying to figure out what I'm going to do about drainage under the deck. As a preface, I previously had two drains from either side that flowed into the bilge area. Here is the best image I can find at the moment.

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You can see one drain on the right side of the bilge and there is another that is not visible directly accross from it. I have two plugs to plug these but I always left them open. Another thing to note is the lack of foam in the back especially around the bilge area. A couple of times, I set the boat in and left the plug out :facepalm: which filled up the back of the boat. Obviously this water would make it's way under the deck through those two holes.

Ok, so going forward. If I completely foam under the deck, what would be the purpose in putting drains in there. I plan to completely seal the deck so water should never get in there. And in the case that it did, especially near the front of the boat, I don't see how it could ever make it back to the drain. Couple that with the fact that water soaked foam doesn't drain anyway. It just sits there. I've seen people do interesting things to drain under the deck but I'm not really convinced that it serves a purpose.

I'd love for you guys to chime in because I respect your opinions. As a side note. I have had people get upset with me (not necessarily on here but just in general) for challenging a concept. They take that as a challenge to them. That is never my intention. I only want to make sure that whatever is being discussed or done is for a reason and not just because someone thinks it's a good idea.

Let me know what you guys think.
 

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Here's my 2?. If you Foam the Hull and then Tab it in on the topside so that it's totally 100% Sealed, and then your ensure that you always Maintain the boat properly to ensure that no water can get below the deck my thinking is Why would you need to have a drain for it? If I was doing it that way I sure as heck would NOT be building a bilge with hull drains. Again that's just my 2? and that's exactly what it's worth or maybe less!!!!:facepalm:
 

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I think everyone on this board would agree that your opinion is worth more that 2?.:)

So what other ways are there to do it?
 
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None that make any sense to me. The lay plastic, make water pathways w/ pvc cut in half length wise & laid under the plastic, then foam the hull, before the deck goes down method is all a ton of work for very little pay off, IMO. IF water makes it below that deck, it may or may not find it's way to the voids left behind by the pvc. And having small passages against the bare hull would encourage condensation in high humidity, hot locals that do get cool at night.

Foam'd 100% to the best of your ability, deck tabbed & sealed to the best of your ability, painted or gel'd as best you can & ENJOY the boat. But take care of it. This has been a heck of a lot of work & effort. :)

And eliminate the below deck to bilge drain. Then the bilge area is a recess'd deck drain, of sorts....
 

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Well it's good to know that I don't disagree with a couple of guys who know what they are talking about. One thing I was thinking about that I've never seen anyone do is putting a small cooler area in the floor to hold a few drinks. Is that a bad idea?
 

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I've never seen anyone do is putting a small cooler area in the floor to hold a few drinks. Is that a bad idea?
Several have added insulated live/bait wells, that double as coolers. The insulation helps keep the live stuff live, esp in hot climates as an added benefit.

Not sure IN the floor has been done. But several have done the cooler thing. WOG or others may recall a specific thread, but off hand I can pull one outta the gray matter.............
 

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So here are the stringer jigs i made. I hope I didn't under engineer them but I think they will work.

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Those wooden pieces match the width plus a hair extra for my stringer material and once I have them in place, I will use a c-clamp to secure them.

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Thats all I did...it was just to keep the spacing and angle....I adjusted the height with spacers.
 

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yep, ought to work great
 

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If I completely foam under the deck, what would be the purpose in putting drains in there. I plan to completely seal the deck so water should never get in there. And in the case that it did, especially near the front of the boat, I don't see how it could ever make it back to the drain. Couple that with the fact that water soaked foam doesn't drain anyway. It just sits there. I've seen people do interesting things to drain under the deck but I'm not really convinced that it serves a purpose.

I am in the same position at the moment. I am going to be foaming under my deck as well and I just don't see how water would be able to make it to the bilge area as well, I can understand maybe if there was a big crack in the hull and a lot of water flow in but for small amounts of water imo just dont think it would make it there.
 

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I am in the same position at the moment. I am going to be foaming under my deck as well and I just don't see how water would be able to make it to the bilge area as well, I can understand maybe if there was a big crack in the hull and a lot of water flow in but for small amounts of water imo just dont think it would make it there.

Correct, and if there were a big crack in your hull, you would need to fix the problem. Rip out the floor, replace the foam, fix the hull, whatever, but the drain would still serve no purpose.
 

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I'm getting ready to get my first batch of resin but I got to thinking about the other supplies... rollers, bubble busters, etc. I realized I really have no idea how many or what kind to get. They look like paint rollers to me. Can I just use those. I would assume that a roller is only good for about 30 minutes (or until the resin kicks).
 

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Until you use either a paint roller (low nap) of whatever size you deem appropriate, or a bubble buster, it's hard to predict which you will use/like using.

Some prefer a full size 9" paint roller for the initial roll out of resin & for wetting out glass and wouldn't use (or hate using) a bubble buster

Others use the pin roller sized paint rollers or prefer the bubble buster.

When you start glassing, try 1 or the other & if it doesn't go how you think it should, try it another time or 2. Perhaps you're just unaccustomed to large scale glass work. If you are still not happy w/ results, switch to another method.

Depending on exactly what you're glassing, you may use a bubble buster, paint roller, trimmed chip brush or all 3 on 1 layup.

A 1/2" diameter, 8" long aluminum bubble buster may not be usable in all the nooks & crannies you need bubble busted anyway. But a 3/8" X 4" one might, and is $8-15, so I'd buy 1 when I ordered my supplies. The paint rollers & etc can be bought all over town, if you need 1 or more......

If you buy a bubble buster, get a decent 1 so you can clean it off & leave it in a vat of acetone during a layup session, and you can flame it if you need to remove excess resin buildup. Plastic ones don't hold up well for long, IMO, and you can't torch the resin off.
 

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Thank you JB.

Well it snowed again down here in North Texas again yesterday and the temp hovered around 20 degrees. I did manage to get out there after work and get that center stringer out. Man, that one was a bear, but I managed to get it out without tearing it up much.

In reviewing the original work of the manufacturer, the center stringer was bedded in the front and kept it fairly sturdy. The glassing was spotty. In most areas, you could peel the glass off the stringer but there were some places where it stuck. The two outer stringers did not appear to be bedded at all, so taking the multi max to the glass tab allowed me to pull it out easily.

The temp is supposed to be decent this weekend so now that I have removed everything from the boat, I should be able wrap up the grinding. And let me tell you, I'll be glad to be done with that. I'm also going to get started on the new stringers and transom. I have a feeling the stringers are going to take a while. I have marine grade plywood for the stringers (not cheap stuff) so I have one shot at cutting them. Therefore, I'm going to take some scrap 1/2 ply i have and build full, two-ply templates that will be perfect before making the final cut on the real material.

I'm going to get some more pics up here soon as I know that pics make everything more fun to read. ;)
 

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Uhmmm, don't waste your plywood making templates, get some cardboard...It works just as well and its a lot cheaper.:D
 

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Uhmmm, don't waste your plywood making templates, get some cardboard...It works just as well and its a lot cheaper.:D

I hear ya. I just tore down the kids tree house and I have quite a bit of 1/2" 4x8 sheets sitting around needing something to do. I like to work with wood quite a bit and I'm kind of a pack-rat. I cannot bear to throw any away and I'm running out of room to store it... but that's a story for another day.
 

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Ok, it was a good day and I managed to complete most of the grinding. There's just a few spots I'm going to go back and hit just a little more.

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On last image, that resin is clean but it's cracked. Should I grind it out or does it matter?
 

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Where is that?
I think it's dead center of this pix, same piece of wood:
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Along the keel.. Or whatever we're calling it today??:watermelon:
 

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Yep, that's on the keel.
 
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