1973 wellcraft 165 sport airslot project w/ pics

iaffboater

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Re: 1973 wellcraft 165 sport airslot project w/ pics

Lookin good Chris! This is serving as the ultimate inspiration for mine!
 

chrishayes

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Re: 1973 wellcraft 165 sport airslot project w/ pics

COOL there Chris !! but all you would have had to do is ask, I would have given yea one of mine !!! lol

Congrads John

I dont want your tainted "up there" kids! Send them down to me though and they will come back with scarlet and grey in their veins! lol

THanks John.
 

chrishayes

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Re: 1973 wellcraft 165 sport airslot project w/ pics

Work looks great.

Rubberdized under coating remains tacky after it's sprayed on,unless there's something new out that I am unaware of.I like to use gray bilge paint everywhere that's not going to be seen or is going to be covered up.It's usually holds up well to standing water.

http://www.duplicolor.com/products/undercoating.html

It says that it is paintable so I assume that it doesnt stay tacky. I just dont know if it will hold up well enough. ANd if it didnt it would be a biatch to remove. I want to use durabak but I just dont know if I can swing the cost. I mean, I may as well with all the money I have dumped into this thing. But keep in mind, my original budget is gone:eek: And I still have to do finished AND rebuild the motor...I better LOVE this boat.:mad:
 

chrishayes

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well, I got some guys together today and put the cap back on. It fit fine! Whewww. I have been stressing about that since I started working on the rebuilding...no worries though. I have to grind a few places that had sealant on them to join the cap and hull together but no biggie. So, we pulled it back off and went about glassing the last piece of deck board. Now they are all done and ready to be put in for good! I will work on that this week after work when I have time and energy. THen this weekend I can glass it in. Good times! Here are pictures of the pieces with the undersides all glassed. I also included some of the piece that I used 1708 on and tried to show the difference between the thickness but I dont know if you can tell from the pictures. It is significant...

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racinrc14

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Chris,

How will you be fasteneing the new decking in place? I understand that it wil be glassed in along the sides, but will you be screwing it down to the strings also? It's looking great, man.

What have you decided about the foam?
 

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Chris,

How will you be fasteneing the new decking in place? I understand that it wil be glassed in along the sides, but will you be screwing it down to the strings also? It's looking great, man.

What have you decided about the foam?

I have been trying to come up with a way of weighing the deck down with something so that I dont have to use screws but I really dont want to buy anything and I just dont have that many bricks laying around:D I will likely use a few stainless screws into the stringers to suck it all down so that the PL can hold it in place. I will just predrill and countersink them and install them with some pl in the hole. After it sets up I will fill them in with epoxy pb then glass over them. I intend to do a full tabbing of 1708 around the hull/deck joint then lay the 10oz glass over that for a full cover.

I think I will see how it looks with the foam. If I can cut it in such a way that leaves a smooth cut then I will likely use it. I just dont want to. But the kid thing kinda has been weighing on my decisions a bit more lately. I dont know. if it looks like it will work out ok then I will take the time to do it. If it doesnt then I wont and will not regret it.
 

bigredinohio

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You know, you could use screws to pull the deck down then remove the screw afterwards and fill the hole. That way you don't have a screw left in the wood that could create issues down the road. Just my 2 cents worth.

I also like your comparision pics with regular cloth and 1708. I often wonder how 1708 wets out with poly resin. I know csm doesn't like epoxy which makes this working with it all the more difficult?
 

racinrc14

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I think I will see how it looks with the foam. If I can cut it in such a way that leaves a smooth cut then I will likely use it. I just dont want to. But the kid thing kinda has been weighing on my decisions a bit more lately. I dont know. if it looks like it will work out ok then I will take the time to do it. If it doesnt then I wont and will not regret it.


Dude, I completely understand. I'm sure you can get it in there and make it look good and provide trouble free service, heaven forbid you should ever need it.

May I ask why you initially decided to use epoxy? I am agonizing over which to use when I eventually start on mine. As far as the wet out goes, can you thin epoxy resin with iso. alcohol (as you can with epoxy adhesive, like we do in model aircraft construction) to get a little more liquid consistency and perhaps make it go farther?

Will the width of the stringers make it difficult to hit them dead center with screws, should you decide to use them for the decking?

Hate to bombard you with the questions, but my rebuild is looming and your build thread is inspirational to all of us guys with empty wallets and bad backs......
 

chrishayes

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Dude, I completely understand. I'm sure you can get it in there and make it look good and provide trouble free service, heaven forbid you should ever need it.

May I ask why you initially decided to use epoxy? I am agonizing over which to use when I eventually start on mine. As far as the wet out goes, can you thin epoxy resin with iso. alcohol (as you can with epoxy adhesive, like we do in model aircraft construction) to get a little more liquid consistency and perhaps make it go farther?

Will the width of the stringers make it difficult to hit them dead center with screws, should you decide to use them for the decking?

Hate to bombard you with the questions, but my rebuild is looming and your build thread is inspirational to all of us guys with empty wallets and bad backs......

well, I initially went with epoxy because being a complete novice I thought that I better cover my butt incase I sucked at glassing. That and I tend to be of the type that buys expensive material because I save so much by never hiring anything out. I also didnt like the thought of having a toxic mess everywhere which is what poly gives the impression of. Now, after becoming allergic to epoxy I realize that they both are a toxic mess! I still feel like I wouldnt have done my resto had I thought I would be in a tyvek monkey suit and respirator for every little thing. Afterall I am doing this through the summer in Ohio and I have no use for losing 50 pounds. Now, I would not hesitate to suggest you go with poly as long as you can protect yourself from it without passing out due to heat exhaustion. Bottom line is that in our little toy boat world epoxy is just far too expensive for the benefits that it provides. I dont think that we as pleasure boaters are ever going to see the benefits in a meaningful way. Poly will get the job done and quite well.

I dont think thinning resin is the best idea. I used acetone and it seemed to work great but reading a few posts by the knowitall's (I mean that in a good way) if you think about it, acetone breaks down epoxy, it doesnt thin it...I dont know about the iso though, you would need to look further into it. Just call uscomposites and ask. If you intend to stretch your quantities by taking those types of shortcuts, I say go poly for sure and just pay less for more. The thickness of straight resin is plenty thin already.

Also, I intend to do the same thing I did for making my deck template for marking where the stringers are so that I have an accurate line to screw into.
Red, I think I may go the route of just using the screws to suck it down then filling the holes. Just like on my transom lamination, I didnt think of that:confused: doh!

And dont be shy about asking questions, I had and still have a ton myself and am always willing to help.:D except for your back and wallet, I am not a pharmacy nor a bank.
 

racinrc14

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Re: 1973 wellcraft 165 sport airslot project w/ pics

Thanks, I'll probably use poly then. It's not that I want to take short cuts, it's just I remember someone saying that the epoxy doesn't wet out that well on csm or something like that, that's all.

On that piece with the 1708, what is the other stuff on there, 10oz cloth?
 

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If I had to do it all over again, I'd still use epoxy on my boat. However, I will use poly resin if I do this again with another boat. I personally didn't like working with poly at the time but after working with epoxy and 1708, I've had a change of heart.
 

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Looking good Chris, wish now I would of got off the wallet and glassed under my deck instead of just epoxy coating and top-coating with paint. I did use 1708 on the 'surface' of the deck, turned out real well imo. I used epoxy thru-out my build and I have no reservations about using it again in the future, for the small overall added cost, I feel it was a wise investment..but then I only used 7 gals total, everything, transom, stringers, hull and deck were done with 1708 and I had no wet-out issues.

Oh yeah, on my deck I used screws till the pl cured then I removed them like on the transom, epoxy filled then glassed over....bummer is having to wait until next spring probably before I ever get her wet...excuse me while I wipe these tears{$#@#! winter breathing down my neck}....lol
 

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Looking great man. Congrats on the family front! One of these days I'll jump back on my little project. In the meantime I have been getting to do a lot of fishing. :D
 

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Thanks, I'll probably use poly then. It's not that I want to take short cuts, it's just I remember someone saying that the epoxy doesn't wet out that well on csm or something like that, that's all.

On that piece with the 1708, what is the other stuff on there, 10oz cloth?

I thought you might take it that way. I didnt mean that in an offensive way. I was just saying that there is really no need to thin resin. The issues with wet out I believe is that epoxy is not made with the chemical that breaks down the binder used to bind certain types of glass. The biggest thing I have found that helps the wet out process of 1708 is to glob resin on the surface before laying it down. If you dont, you have to force resin through to the csm on the back...Personally I just think 1708 is hard to wetout. period.
 

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If I had to do it all over again, I'd still use epoxy on my boat. However, I will use poly resin if I do this again with another boat. I personally didn't like working with poly at the time but after working with epoxy and 1708, I've had a change of heart.

Yeah, in no way would I say dont use epoxy. I would and will use it still for small projects but a whole boat like this, no way.
 

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Looking good Chris, wish now I would of got off the wallet and glassed under my deck instead of just epoxy coating and top-coating with paint. I did use 1708 on the 'surface' of the deck, turned out real well imo. I used epoxy thru-out my build and I have no reservations about using it again in the future, for the small overall added cost, I feel it was a wise investment..but then I only used 7 gals total, everything, transom, stringers, hull and deck were done with 1708 and I had no wet-out issues.

Oh yeah, on my deck I used screws till the pl cured then I removed them like on the transom, epoxy filled then glassed over....bummer is having to wait until next spring probably before I ever get her wet...excuse me while I wipe these tears{$#@#! winter breathing down my neck}....lol

You dont have to tell me about the tears. I too will be putting the boat to bed within the next month. I can work on the motor then but the cars get to stay warm.

I will use the method you describe to attach the deck. I would love to use 1708 on my deck but I wanted a smoothish surface to paint. Your boat turned out great, thats all that matters.
 

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Looking great man. Congrats on the family front! One of these days I'll jump back on my little project. In the meantime I have been getting to do a lot of fishing. :D

Hey, the lazy no boat workin fisherman lives! Good to hear from you again. Been wondering where in the world you have been. I keep sending people to your thread but I stopped cause they would get left hanging.:p Get back on it man.
 

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I have a small update I guess. Just finishing up the little details before the deck goes down. I am there now. Nothing else to do now except attach the deck boards! I had to fix my bow hook and reinforce it with some PT wood and 3M 5200. I also finished the last 2 drain holes through the outer stringers up in front of the hull step. Hopefully I can get the deck down tomorrow after work. I dont think I will be able to work at all this weekend. Bunch of fall stuff going on.

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Nice job on the bow hook, We just finished up ours too, still need to put a couple layers of mat over it. Coming along nicely!!
 
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