1968-71 Naden N-16 Big Fisherman Restoration

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Pressure Washer Boat Paint Stripping

OK - so I tried the 3000 PSI pressure washer, using several different size heads for the wand. It was largely unsuccessful at stripping paint from the boat. In a few spots, the paint came off like butter. In others, a lot of time spent going back and forth stripped the paint cleanly from the metal, without marking it up like a wire wheel would do. In others, the pressure washer stripped off the top layer of paint, but didn't take anything off from underneath. Where the paint was peeling, the washer took the paint off, but for the most part, the pressure washer didn't make that big a difference. The pressure washer renters told me it would work well....but it didn't.

What the pressure washer did really well was take off a layer of dirt on the paint that I didn't even know was there - which will presumably make it easier for the paint stripper to bite into it.

I couldn't get more of the aircraft paint stripper, so I picked this up instead from Home Hardware - their paint department reccomended it - and it worked well. It comes with a spray bottle, and sprays on much thinner than the aircraft stripper - but it did a good job.






Today's question:

So I have done the first full coat of stripper on the inside of the boat. As you can see from the photograph below, it had cleaned off a fair bit of the paint, but if I want a complete strip, I have a long, long way to go.



I also tried out a wire wheel on what was left. It worked fairly quickly - I figure it would take 2-3 hours to wire wheel the entire interior of the boat (please let me know if I'm wrong, so I can plan). I have pictured the wheel I used, and the results.





So my question is this. I have two options in front of me. The first is to simply wire wheel the interior of the boat, and leave it as bare aluminum. It will have wire wheel marks as in the photograph, unless I give it an acid wash. The second option is to paint the interior of the boat. Either way, I want to do a proper, high quality restoration, and will spend a reasonably necessary amount of money to do this. I want to make sure that the boat will last, and that whatever finish I put on (whether bare or painted), will last well, and look good for as long as possible. I don't want to just chuck on some cheap paint and hope it sticks.

Which of these options (bare boat, or painted) would you reccomend? If I paint the interior, am I making a mistake using a wire wheel? If I can use a wire wheel, am I OK using the one I have? If I paint, should I wire wheel the entire boat down to bare metal, or should I do something else? If I am going to paint, I know I have to use an etching primer, and I will want to use an HVLP spray gun, but what additional prep should I be doing? I am nervous leaving any paint that has had stripper on it still on the boat.
 

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What interior finish are you looking for? Bare aluminum? Top (show) quality paint work? Fish blood & guts fishing rig interior.

I think I would assess how well ALL remaining paint was currently STUCK. If it is well stuck, feather the edges of any patchy remaining paint. Scuff really well any other areas w/ paint still remaining. Sand w/ 120g +/- the entire boat. Wash down the whole boat w/ 50/50 vinegar & water, rinse & dry well. Prime w/ SE or ZC any bare aluminum. Lightly sand, wipe down & prime w/ primer recommended by the top coat paint maker. Sand, wipe down & re-spray w/ primer.

Sand, wipe down & paint the boat.

Repeat once or twice......... Use an enamel hardener w/ the top coat (if compatible)........
 

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I'm looking to do top quality work. But this would never be a show boat - it would be a user boat.

OK - so with the work involved in this, and with the amount of paint left on the boat, would it be simpler to wire wheel the entire boat, get it to bare metal, then do a scuff sand with 120 grit sandpaper, before painting it? That way, when I paint, I don't need to worry about problems with paint adhesion to old paint? What do you think JB?

Oh yes - with the rental of the pressure washer and purchase of the stripper, and the work this evening, I'm now up to 12 hours work, and $274.
 

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Went back to do some further stripping on the inside - I'm getting further and further towards bare metal. I'm inclined to keep stripping, as the edges of the paint patches left are noticably raised to the touch - so I think they will show up when I finish it. I'm hesitant to continue using the wire wheel - for the reasons expressed in other threads on this topic.

Two days of rain meant I got little work done on the boat this weekend. I flipped the boat today, so I could pressure wash it as best as I could (in the rain), to at least get some of the dirt off. The pressure washer wasn't functioning well at all. Did a quick test patch of stripper on the outside of the hull. As I had suspected, there are several coats of paint on it which will require several coats of stripper to get it off. I had forgotten the damage to one of the ribs. I think I'll have a small D shaped plate welded over this, once the rivet fixing is done. Are there any other alternatives? I can see that the PO just threw in a bunch of bondo.



 

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Oh yes, and I have an HVLP gun on order....now I just have to find a large enough compressor to run it. Interestingly, a neighbor of mine offered me a 1950s or 60s boat, motor and trailer for $300. He paid $1000 it about five or six years ago, planning to restore it. Then he restored another boat, and decided not do do this one. I gave it a quick once over - looks OK - has an obviously fifties motor on it. On the one hand, I don't want to start another boat before finishing the Naden. On the other hand....it looked quite nice. I'll start another thread on this.
 

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Some good news today - took the pressure washer back to the rental place, and explained that it didn't take the paint off as they had said it would, though it did clean the boat. The washer had also been backspraying on me - looks like the head wasn't sealing properly. They refunded the rental cost, so my hours and cost is now: 12.5 hours and $200. United Rentals was the company - excellent customer service.
 

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Little by little, I'm getting there. Unfortunately, I keep getting distracted by the gorgeous weather we are having. Kids had a blast this weekend - catching fish and swimming on the lake.

On the boat - I think I have five layers of paint to go through on the outside. It looks like a previous owner used silicone caulking on all the seams - so my guess is I'm going to find more leaks when all this stripping is finally done. 13.5 hours & $200.

 

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Been quietly following along...Great looking project...gonna be nice when done...
A couple of tips on using the chemical stripper...
Work in the shade as much as possible.
Use some plastic food wrap to cover the stripper and let it work, this keeps the solvents from evaporating as quickly.
Put it on as thick as possible, this also helps it penetrate a little better...
Also, when applying it, try to brush it on in only one direction, this stuff sort of skins over as soon as it hits the air and if you brush it back and forth, you allow the solvent to evaporate more quickly...
 

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OK - back at it again tonight. I did try putting the clingwrap on the stripper, and that worked better. Thanks GT and JB and I took some before shots...then forgot to take the after shots comparing the two. Back at it again tomorrow. 14.5 hours and $200.
 

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Nice project Peter! (and great practice for the Holiday!!!)

I'm also being slapped-around by some bottom paint...so giving the cling-wrap a try as well.

Have you tried the Metalset yet? I'm curious how it will look on polished/unpainted aluminum.
 

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Thanks Blue. I haven't tried metalset yet - I'm told that it will look like a patched area. I know I've been finding areas of bondo that distinctly stand out as...bondo. I've been looking at gunwale boat trim, trying to find something I could put around the entire gunwale, but none of it seems to work. Fixing the holes in the gunwales will probably be one of my last jobs.
 

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Thanks Blue. I haven't tried metalset yet - I'm told that it will look like a patched area. I know I've been finding areas of bondo that distinctly stand out as...bondo. I've been looking at gunwale boat trim, trying to find something I could put around the entire gunwale, but none of it seems to work. Fixing the holes in the gunwales will probably be one of my last jobs.

Do you mean the rub rail...where you need to install a receiving channel for which you slide-in the rubber strip? Taco is one of the manufacturers of these components.
 

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Yes - unfortunately none of them seem to be the right size to work for what I want. What I really want is a big piece of adhesive rubber that I could simply use to wrap around and cover the existing gunwale. I don't want to paint it, as in a boat like this, the gunwale gets pounded.
 

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Would an 'L' work:
L-Strips.gif






From Wefco
 

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Plastic wrap when using paint stripper.

Back at it again tonight. Another hour's work - at this rate I'll be splashing the boat in 2019. On the plus side, that means several years of reading threads on iboats.

Putting plastic wrap on top of the paint stripper definitely works. For best results, you want to get it on very quickly after you spray on the stripper, while the stripper is still wet. I found that spraying a small patch, then immediately putting on the wrap worked the best. The test patch below needed two pieces of wrap to cover it. On the left side, I put on wrap. On the right, I didn't. When I put the wrap on, I pressed in into place, and the stripper was still wet and gooey beneath the wrap. I then waited 15 minutes (as recommended by the paint stripper instructions). Where the wrap was, I was able to get down immediately to bare metal (took some effort, but the paint came off fairly easily). On the right, I only got off the first layer, maybe two of paint. I estimate there are four or five layers of paint here.

Next, I tried spraying a larger area - enough for six sheets of wrap. However, by the time I was done spraying, and went to put on the wrap - I found that the stripper was largely dry. I then waited 15 minutes. At that point, even with the wrap in place, it took about the same as if I had just sprayed the stripper on and left it uncovered (perhaps a little more, but not much).

Thanks again for the advice! I should have tested this earlier. 15.5 hours and $200 into the boat so far.

Before



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Only 45 minutes tonight - But I got more of the boat stripped in the last 45 minutes than I did in the previous three hours, thanks to the magic plastic wrap. Hope to finish the first half of the outside tomorrow. I'm going to take some pics of the original Naden Decal, and do a line drawing of it, so I can hopefully have a new decal made up. You can't buy these things any more.

I don't think the L shaped rubber extrusion would work. I'll post a pic of the end of the gunwale, so folks can see what I'm working with.

By the way, if I stop posting for a while, the admiral and I are on countdown for our newest able seaman...who will be the fourth member of our Crew.
 

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Congrats on the pending addition.........
 

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Congrats Peter!!

..and thanks to you & GT for the cling-wrap idea! I get a kick out of the snap-crackle-pop when the Zip Strip starts doing its thang! :cool:
 

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I found this product on jasoutside's thread on his Starcraft Islander restoration. Durafix - does anyone have experience with it (I'm thinking of using it to fill the holes in the gunwale - so non-structural use).
 

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Happy Canada Day....for all those Canadians out there.

Had a great long weekend - beach on Saturday, local Canada Day Party on Sunday, first time tubing with the kids on Monday: four year old and a six year old on a tube - they had a blast. Kept yelling 'faster...faster.' This is what boating is all about - happy family.....and bumping over the waves hasn't given rise to the new able seaman....yet.

Found an hour and a half to work on the Naden this weekend. Completed the stripping of one side of the boat. I also made a diagram of the Naden decal, and took a couple of photos of it, which I have added here, for anyone who might need it in the future. 17 3/4 hours and $200 into it so far.



 
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