Vulcarity

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In school suspension? Having BTDT, I can say that it is truly "cruel & unusual punishment!" :D .....JK
 

Kenneth Brown

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I believe I showed you in b&w here in Texas where the authority lies, and it isn't in a grocery store but in the classroom. It was so important that the legislature wrote it into law. Links correct, have your own and raise them as you see fit. You're probably just mad cause you'll be one of the ones in the line the school bus goes around.
 

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Originally posted by Kenneth Brown:<br /> I believe I showed you in b&w here in Texas where the authority lies
Like I said, if the parent doesn't agree with it all they have to do is take their child out of that school. There is no law against that.
 

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I agree that the parent can take their child out of school to avoid punishment, but where does the child go to school? I am sure the district will uphold any reasonable punishment so scratch off any public school. So that leaves private school (financial punishment) home schooling, or removal of the child for abuse. If the child is shown to not be recieving an education. Any way you look at it someone gets punished.<br /><br />You may not respect schools, (I can't really blame you for that) but they can make your life a living hell if they want to. And that is punishment.
 

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Originally posted by RubberFrog:<br /> No disrespect intended- how old are you?
I am 20. I will not put up with someone thinking they are smarter than me because they are older, or that I don't know what I'm talking about simply because of my age. I've been in the school system more recently than anyone else in this thread.<br /><br />I am also not your average 20 year old. I own my own business and my own home. I employ people much older than myself...
 

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Originally posted by ZmOz:<br /> The only way a child can be forcibly punished by someone other than a parent is by a cop, and that's only when they break the law.
This thread has long since become inane. This statement is proof of that. 'Cops' cannot 'punish' in any sense of the law. They can only use the amount of reasonable force that is necessary to subdue, apprehend or cause a law breaker to cease and desist.
 

CJY

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I've been in the school system more recently than anyone else in this thread.<br />
Again, not true! I am there every day. I have also taken several ed law classes.<br /><br />There is a difference between intelligence and experience. However, after reading your statements, a great deal of ignorance is apparent. <br /><br />How did you become such a public education expert?
 

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No one said anything about thinking they were smarter than you. <br /><br />But attitudes do change (generally) based on age. For example, I think much differently now then I did 10 years ago. I imagine your attitudes are also much different than they were ten years ago.<br /><br />With that said, I believe that ten years from now you will have a different attitude regarding this. <br /><br />You don't have to agree with me because it's just my opinion. That's part of our rights also- the right to differing opinions. That's probably more of an intrinisc right than a constitutional right, I guess.<br /><br />As far as being in school more recently, I'm working on a masters so I got ya beat on the "more recently" front :D <br /> <br />I just finished my last cold beer, so I think I'm going to go hop in bed with my wife.<br /><br />Peace,<br />George
 

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Originally posted by RubberFrog:<br /> No one said anything about thinking they were smarter than you. <br />
Nobody specifically used those words, but many here seem to think their opinion is more important than mine simply because they are older. This is true in every part of my life, and I don't put up with it for one second.<br /><br />
Originally posted by RubberFrog:<br />But attitudes do change (generally) based on age.
The same would be true for every single person on this board, making age irrelivant.<br /><br />
Originally posted by RubberFrog:<br />You don't have to agree with me because it's just my opinion. That's part of our rights also- the right to differing opinions.
That's my point exactly. It seems it's ok for others to think my opinion is wrong though. :rolleyes: <br /><br />And one more time very clearly for everyone to read: Everything I have said is backed up by the constitution of the united states and the supreme court. No state law can reduce the freedom given to every citizen of the USA by the constitution.<br /><br />If someone here doens't like my opinion, tough. I didn't tell you yours was wrong, don't tell me mine is wrong.
 

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Originally posted by ZmOz:<br /> Anybody who disagrees with what I have said in this thread is disagreeing with the constitution of the united states.<br /><br />
Guys, we should all step back and thank ZmOz for enlightening us as to the true meaning of the constitution. We must all be commie pinko liberals or something, for disagreeing with him! Repent! All ye whose opinion differs from the great Oz! Else ye be banished from America forever! <br /><br /> :rolleyes: :rolleyes: <br /><br />But if you disagree with me, you are disagreeing with God! So there! :p :p
 

QC

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Originally posted by jtexas:<br /> you are disagreeing with God!
Well alrighty then, that should just about wrap this one up . . . :)
 

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ZmOz<br /> problem is ya got no mileage<br /> seeminly intellegent and no mileage.<br /> you will someday<br />one day when you have to go to school cause your jonnie/janie angel did something incredibly stupid you will start understanding.<br /><br /> in a public school there are rules. by law until age 16 all students are required to be either home schooled using a programme monitored and acredited in your state, go to public school or a state acredited private school.<br /> if you wish not to follow the rules that are clearly spelled out when the student is enrolled the school has the right to bar admissions.<br /> if you dont allow a detention, or other punishments spelled out in the student handbook, of the student the school can bar the student from its campus. that does not obviate the responsibility of the parent of the minor child from the student being enrolled in a state approved school program, failure on the parents part can result in civil penalties that may include jail time and the removal of the minor from the home and placed under state control.<br /> dont ask how I know, we will just say I have some mileage.<br /> can ya fight it? yep. will you win? maybe. will your attorneys next car have heated leather seats and a mega watt jam system? most definately.<br /> would be fun to revisit this thread in say 20 years.
 

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I agree Rodbolt and AKChappy is spot on with "just because you have the right to do it, dosen't make it the right thing to do."
 

POINTER94

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I have never been in a disagreement where I felt better for swearing at anyone. This is not to be confused with wanting to swear at them. When used to add color to a conversation then I have no problem with it, but when it is the means, and end to a conversation is says more about the person saying it than who it is directed at. <br /><br />Zmoz, if you own a business than you should know that discourse laiden with profanity reflects negatively on whoever uses it. Not everyone is comfortable with that type of vile language while very few people disapprove on someone who doesn't swear. It isn't a professional thing to do. In addition overusing strong language lessens its impact on those it is intended for. <br /><br />If you display a chip on your shoulder, it will negatively impact your business. If you are correct in your positions why do you care what anyone else thinks and for what reason? If someone who didn't know you identified that you may be younger than most here, doesn't that indicate that maybe you are displaying something that tipped him off?<br /><br />Demanding respect isn't the same as earning it. Your thousands of informative and insightful posts has gone a long way to earning that respect. Your proclomation of what you will and will not accept wasn't one of them. Don't sweat it, right or wrong I still make an effort to read all your posts, as they leave me feeling better for having read them. ;) That is the type of respect you deserve because you earned it. I personally don't care if you are 12 or 90 if the information you provide is interesting. And you have proven you are a very intellegent guy. :)
 

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I always laugh my arse off when I hear statements about how just because you are older doesn't mean you know more. With age comes wisdom, period. While it is true that some young people can and do have above average intelligence, they still don't have the life experience. For some reason they get horribly defensive about that, and act like life experience means nothing. It all stems from some inferiority complex, or they still have that teenage mindset that makes them impatient. <br /><br />All I can say is, I was pretty damn smart at 20, had been through a lot at 20, and looking back I now know I didn't know squat. It happens to everyone, no one is immune to it. You can't beat years under the belt, unless you have a time machine somewhere.<br /><br />And by the way, freedom of speech does not trump disturbing the peace. We all have the right to live in peace, and if you really honestly think you can go into a public place and start screaming and cussing your arse off and think you are covered under the constitution, you are mistaken. How long do you think it would take before the cops are called? Also, and I don't know why you don't understand this, a public school can and does set policy. When you enroll your child in that school, you are giving them permission to enforce policy. Policy is in place to benefit the student body, not a swill-mouthed individual brat. The tax payers fund this school to teach our children, not to let them run rampant. As a parent, you have the right to refuse corporal punishment, or not have them go to school, thats it.<br /><br />Speaking of tax payers, most would agree that they want their children in a clean, well run school. How many levies do you think would be approved to fund a school that allows swearing and general mayhem. The school would be closed within a year. How does that benefit anybody? You can hate authority and laws and rules and be all cool and anarchistic and nonconformist if you want, but you'll always be on the losing end of that battle. If you do choose to have kids and raise them as you propose, you are dooming them to an existence on the fringes of society, and that is the most miserable failing a parent can do.
 

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Different places different attitudes.When I was 14,a teacher(Principal)hit me on the head from behind,I still don't know why.I reacted the way my dad had taught me.I turned around ,hit the teacher on the jaw and broke it.I was kicked out of school.My dad backed me up all the way. We took it to court,where the teacher lost his teaching license and was severely reprimanded and fined.I was asked to come back to school,but wisely went to a different one instead.<br />Moral of this story is that nothing is either black or white.
 

ZmOz

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Here we go again...a bunch of A*SHOLES telling me my opinion is wrong. :rolleyes: Pathetic...every one of you. You don't have to agree with me but saying I am wrong is COMPLETELY, TOTALLY uncalled for. My opinion is just as right as yours is. Did I tell you yours was wrong?<br /><br />Have fun getting up early to work for somebody else tomarrow. I'm going to sleep until 11:30 while other people make money for me. I'll be thinking of you 40+ year olds when I'm retired at 30 sitting by my pool in california.<br /><br />How many 30+ year olds are there unemployed, working at walmart, k-mart, driving trucks, etc, making less than $10 an hour? Guess I'm smarter then them, huh? How many of you guys telling me I'm wrong are in that category?<br /><br />Just because you were dumb and not doing anything with your life at 20 doesn't mean I am.
 

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Not me. This A*SHOLE is getting paid by the taxes that your business pays. Thanks.
 
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