Vulcarity

[RubberFrog]

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OK. We disagree a little on the use of language but nothing I'll need to have my cat track you down over <br />I agree 100% about the fine. My kid comes home with a language ticket and I will be telling someone to 'F' off!

 

[ZmOz]

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To add to what I said above...I don't think the parent should allow their kid to cuss for no reason in school, and they should teach them when it's ok to cuss and when it's not...but if they don't want to, they don't have to.

 

[Drowned Rat]

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Zm, is it fair to the other kids who behave themselves to be exposed to that nonsense. Kids who might otherwise be well behaved will witness the cursing kid get away with telling the teacher to F off and then it's a big joke. Are you seriously saying that the teacher should just tell little johnny to have a seat and please not tell me to F off so frequently. Put yourself in the teacher's position for a moment. There is a correct way to handle this fine or not, and it doesn't involve the wishes of the parents.

 

[jtexas]

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Originally posted by ZmOz:<br /> It's not the school's business to decide what is right and wrong for any of it's students.

With respect, I totally disagree. Within the confines of the school, the school administration has not only the right, but the responsibility to determine and define the parameters of acceptable behavior, and the punishment for violations. If enough of the parents don't like it, it's a policy that can be changed.<br /><br />Drowned Rat, it was "Demolition Man" also with Wesley Snipes.

 

[Drowned Rat]

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You know. What happens when these kids grow up and get a job? What is their boss going to do when they tell him to F off? They'll be out of a job, that's what. How well are you preparing your kids by condonning this behaviour. I don't mean you Zm, just parents who would allow it.

 

[Reel Poor]

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Theres a time and place for everything, well.... not everything, but a lot of stuff.

 

[Wimperdink]

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I say impose the fine but only if you ease up on the rules about beating our kids. Kids nowadays need a good beating from time to time.<br /><br />Disclaimer: Beating = Spanking in the above comment. Attack me if you will... I'm over it already.

 

[ZmOz]

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You can whine about it all you want, but the fact remains schools do not have the authority to punish anyone without parental consent, nor will they ever so long as we have a supreme court and a constitution.<br /><br />It is no more the school's business to define student's morals than it is my business to define your children's morals or your business to define my child's morals.

 

[TxShorty]

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I'm not even so sure the real issue has to lye with cussing, but rather simply following the rules of the establishment. If a parent teaches their child that it's OK to cuss, that's their business. <br /><br />Teaching a child that rules do not apply to them can be very dangerous!

 

[QC]

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I still think that it is a bad law and a good sign for this country. I am happy that anybody cares at all . . .

 

[heycods]

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My kids are grown, so its not a big issue with me. When they were in school if the teacher called me and said they were disrupting th class using fowl language I would have whipped thier little butts or told the teacher to, end of problem. Things have changed a lot. I would not pay the fine. Detention fine whip thier butt fine.

 

[Link]

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When I was a kid showing disrepect to Any Adult would get me a arse whoppin at home. To Teacher!<br />I just never wanted to go there so I didnt try. <br /><br />Hey on a lighter side this came in today and I know its old and Im not going to try to clean it up. Fits in with this conversation;<br /><br />Dont mess with MOM<br /><br />My son came home from school one day, <br />with a smirk upon his face. <br />He decided he was smart enough, <br />to put me in my place. <br /><br />"Guess what I learned in Civics Two, <br />that's taught by Mr. Wright? <br />It's all about the laws today, <br />The 'Children's Bill of Rights.' <br /><br /><br />It says I need not clean my room, <br />don't have to cut my hair <br />No one can tell me what to think, <br />or speak, or what to wear. <br /><br />I have freedom from religion, <br />and regardless what you say, <br />I don't have to bow my head, <br />and I sure don't have to pray. <br /><br />I can wear earrings if I want, <br />and pierce my tongue & nose. <br />I can read & watch just what I like, <br />get tattoos from head to toe. <br /><br />And if you ever spank me, <br />I'll charge you with a crime. <br />I'll back up all my charges, <br />with the marks on my behind. <br /><br />Don't you ever touch me, <br />my body's only for my use, <br />not for your hugs and kisses, <br />that's just more child abuse. <br /><br />Don't preach about your morals <br />like your Mama did to you. <br />That's nothing more than mind control, <br />And it's illegal too! <br /><br />Mom, I have these children's rights, <br />so you can't influence me, <br />or I'll call Children's Services Division, <br />better known as C.S.D." <br /><br />Of course my first instinct was <br />to toss him out the door. <br />But the chance to teach him a lesson <br />made me think a little more. <br /><br />I mulled it over carefully, <br />I couldn't let this go. <br />A smile crept upon my face, <br />he's messing with a pro. <br /><br />Next day I took him shopping <br />at the local Goodwill Store. <br />I told him, "Pick out all you want, <br />there's shirts & pants galore. <br /><br />I've called and checked with C.S.D. <br />who said they didn't care <br />if I bought you K-Mart shoes <br />instead of those Nike Airs <br /><br />I've canceled that appointment <br />to take your driver's test. <br />The C.S.D. is unconcerned <br />so I'll decide what's best." <br /><br />I said "No time to stop and eat, <br />or pick up stuff to munch. <br />And tomorrow you can start to learn <br />to make your own sack lunch. <br /><br />Just save the raging appetite, <br />and wait till dinner time. <br />We're having liver and onions, <br />a favorite dish of mine." <br /><br />He asked "Can I please rent a movie, <br />to watch on my VCR?" <br />"Sorry, but I sold your TV, <br />for new tires on my car. <br /><br />I also rented out your room, <br />you'll take the couch instead. <br />The C.S.D. requires <br />just a roof over your head. <br /><br />Your clothing won't be trendy now, <br />I'll choose what we eat. <br />That allowance that you used to get, <br />will buy me something neat. <br /><br />I'm selling off your jet ski, <br />dirt-bike &roller blades. <br />Check out the 'Parent's Bill of Rights', <br />It's in effect today! <br /><br />Hey! hot shot, are you crying, <br />Why are you on your knees? <br />Are you asking God to help you out, <br />instead of C.S.D..?"

 

[kenimpzoom]

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Good one Link!<br /><br />However, I do have a problem with the swearing fines.<br /><br />It all goes back to the government thinks they know better on how to raise your children. When they start this, the lazy parents just turn them over to the school.<br /><br />Only I know best how to raise mine.<br /><br />The end.<br /><br />Ken

 

[LadyFish]

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The nuns thought nothing of scraping ivory soap across our teeth for naughty words or disrespect, or swatting us with a ruler.<br /><br />I'm not saying it was right, but I'm not sure a monetary fine is either. Kids don't have that kind of money so their parents are really the ones getting fined. Again the kid gets off scott-free unless the parents do something to rectify their bad behavior. How many parents will just pay the fine and never even scold the child.

 

[SS MAYFLOAT]

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You know when a parent raises his child, that child is fine until he/she reaches school age. I have seen this happen with many kids. All of them can be little angles until they go to school. Its not the parents fault and not the teachers fault. Children teach other children the bad things that they are not surpose to say or do around adults.<br /><br />Children are smart and know how to twist mommy and daddy around thier finger. End result, parents always backing up their child when the child WAS wrong. <br /><br />It is a no win situation anymore. Teachers can barely defend themselves let alone any discipline. Then when the teacher leaves it up to the parent, the parent is then held to discipline the ways our society has set up through Childrens services. <br /><br />Case and point, Childrens services said it was okay to use my hand or belt on my child. That may work on a small child, butwhat about the 16yo that is taller and bigger than you? Are you going to put him/her over your knee? I did what my dad did to me, a good punch. From that day my dad hit me, I never ever argued with him again. I did the same to my son when he turned of age. He then showed me respect and knew I was the boss of the house.....until Childrens Services told him I could go to jail for that incident. DUH, just throw out everthing that was accomplished.<br /><br />Face it people, our society in whole has created this problem. We cannot mould everyone to be alike and that is what is going on.<br /><br />To each his own, and that should be our right as parents to raise our children. My kids are now out of the house and my stress level has gone down 90%. I don't have to worry about being liable for their actions anymore.

 

[dogsdad]

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Put paddles back into the hands of the teachers, and start requiring that teachers have a certain level of judgement, maturity, and sense of justice. Like it was in the old days. Of course, that's a pipe dream, isn't it---considering the fact that so many teachers have so little judgement and maturity and such an excess of perverse impulsion that they are sleeping with the kids.

 

[tommays]

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Put paddles back into the hands of the teachers

man you cant even spank(not beat)your own child anymore with the risk of child services<br /><br />my SIL is in pickel with here teenages right now because they have learned to use all these new rights from child services to misbehave<br /><br />if you hit your in trouble<br /><br />if you make rules they wont follow and they leave the house they can and due sue and win child support<br /><br />on the other hand i have spanked my now 18 and 21 year olds about 10 times and not scince they were mabey 6 years old<br /><br />but letting them no my wife and myself were in charge from the getgo sems to have a lot to due with this<br /><br />tommays

 

[JasonJ]

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I disagree with the fines, I think it is a backdoor attempt to line someones pockets.<br /><br />That being said, School is where children learn to function in society. Parents can parent their kids to death, but once they are on school grounds, the things they learn from their parents are challenged by what the they see from other kids. Forcing fines or beating the snot out of kids won't work. You have to remove them from what they want. You take their time and their fun away from them, stick them in a boring environment for X amount of time, they won't like it. <br /><br />You could have given me the choice between a beating or two hours detention, I would have taken the beating every time (and I did), because I could get back to doing my thing. I hated detention, and did everything I could to stay out of it, which meant I followed the rules (but made a few mistakes, hence, the detentions that happened on occasion). Pain meant nothing to me, I caused myself more pain wrecking my bike or skateboarding or whatever. I only got paddled once, I was given the choice between that or them calling my mother. I took the paddle because I knew my mom would have provided me some good proper sensory deprivation. People who think spanking is the answer must not remember much about being a kid.<br /><br />For those who think kids should say whatever they want, that tune will change once you have kids and you are being constantly embarrased by how bad they are behaving. Your kids are a reflection of you, still think they should cuss all the time?

 

[AK_Chappy]

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Originally posted by JasonJ:<br /> <br />For those who think kids should say whatever they want, that tune will change once you have kids and you are being constantly embarrased by how bad they are behaving. Your kids are a reflection of you, still think they should cuss all the time?

Very well said Jason!!!!<br /><br />AK Chappy

 

[Reel Poor]

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My mom yusta say that all the time...If you want to see yourself...Look at your kids...