Vape!!!

[64osby]

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I don't recall the movie, but there is a scene where a guy takes a package (5) of cigars. Breaks them up and mixes them with water in the sink. He uses this solution to kill someone by injection.

I smoked for over 20 years. Friday was my one year of non smoking. I still am addicted, I love my nicotine. Now I use an E-cig and dip using pouches.

As with anything except boating, moderation is a key. You can die from eating too many carrots, vitamin A overdose. You can die from drinking too much water.

 

[64osby]

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I would have to disagree based upon actual results. Chantix when used as instructed has the best results and is specifically aimed at ending the nicotine dependency. (It has none and you are not substituting one form for another.)

It is not for everyone. One of the listed side effects is intense, violent nightmares. I know 3 people that have had that reaction. They all had vivid nightmares, very bloody of killing their spouse.

 

[82rude]

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chantix was actually and accident.it started out as an antidepressant .not that it really matters .as for it being the best way to quit we will just have to disagree on that one.tried chantix and it didn't help one iota period.just watched a news blurb where the doc said the ecigs were actually the best way to quit based on results.its the rabbid smoke Nazis that are po pooing the ecigs because they look like smokes and kids might take them up which is patently stupid .of course we could just ban smoking period but look how that turned out the last time they tried something like that.hint ,prohibition .steering away from political try them all till you finally succeed.what works for one might not work for the next person.

 

[BigDog98]

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I dont know why you guys assume kids use them. I mean yea the FDA is trying to ban ecigs for that reason but not because of the nicotine its because ecigs are now more advanced. Like some people go the full way and build there own ecigs and coils and use there own batteries. There is also a term called sub-ohming. its when you make coils that are very low resistance and if you dont use the correct amp rated batteries then they will explode in your hands and burn your house down. And that is what the kids are doing. That is why its the bigger issue with the FDA on every ones case. Also Philip Morris is paying big bucks to the FDA to try and ban it because the cig company's are losing money and as the old saying goes, Money talks Bull**** walks. So that about sums it up.

 

[JASinIL2006]

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For someone trying to give up smoking tobacco, e-cigs make sense and are certainly less dangerous. For someone who is NOT already addicted to nicotine, why would you even start with e-cigs? Why voluntarily start something with no other purpose but to develop an addiction?

 

[82rude]

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the exact words from the mouth of the health minister up here was kids might find them attractive because they look like smokes.the surest way to get kids to use ecigs is to tell them they cant.when are people going to learn?if I understand correctly the juicer ecigs are really not that cheap correct?or am I wrong?how much do you that smoke pay for cigs?up here its 9 or 10 bucks in town or you do like I do and go to the indian res and pay 4.50 a 25 pack.will look into the ecigs(juicers) next time I go to Michigan as its 5 minutes away.

 

[QC]

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Ya know, Bubba, I wish I knew how to phrase my questions so that you would consider them. Obviously I am not suggesting that people should ingest arsenic, but there are doses that are not fatal. I thought I made a decent point about even water being dangerous at high doses, yet again dosage discussions seem to make you scoff. Is your point that Nicotine is deadly at all doses? No, you suggest 50 - 60 mg. Do you know of any way to actually get that high of a dose? What is it you want regarding tobacco? I suspect it is that you would like it all to go away, and that no one should be allowed to get any. And what is your position on nicotine? That no one should be allowed to get any in any form? If that is it, then at least I know where you stand. Why not simply state that, and then let the rest of us continue to discuss this? I am being straight with you here. If you want it all gone, we will know where you stand. If you believe there are some safe usages, then state that. Seems like we would then know where we differ, and we could move on.

 

[QC]

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OK, Bubba, your point is made, you want all Nicotine and Tobacco products banned unless prescribed. Good, you have been honest. Now it would seem you could leave this discussion for those of us who haven't been able to get our arms around it yet.

 

[MTboatguy]

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The only other thing I will say, as long as your an adult and the substance is legal, you should be able to make your own choice and be willing suffer the consequences of that choice, without anyone else telling you what to do, I know what smoking and e-cigs can do, as I do alcohol, dipping, red meat, donuts and a host of other things I have participated in, in my life, those are my choices and as long as I don't subject others to my wishes, then it is my choice and my choice alone.

 

[bruceb58]

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The only other thing I will say, as long as your an adult and the substance is legal, you should be able to make your own choice and be willing suffer the consequences of that choice, without anyone else telling you what to do

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[Bob_VT]

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Tell me why I would do that? Would you stand by and say nothing if you seen someone playing with or tasting a bag of rat poison? I wouldn't and that is far safer than nicotine.

Bottom line, the more people know the more likely they are to do whatever it takes to stop ingesting poison. The more they hear it the harder it is to deny the facts. Can you imagine the horror of it if just one person in this forum read my posts and looked at the facts themselves and QUIT? Even worse, if that person then spread the truth to other addicts?

Warfarin is rat poison and people take it all the time.

 

[BigDog98]

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The only other thing I will say, as long as your an adult and the substance is legal, you should be able to make your own choice and be willing suffer the consequences of that choice, without anyone else telling you what to do, I know what smoking and e-cigs can do, as I do alcohol, dipping, red meat, donuts and a host of other things I have participated in, in my life, those are my choices and as long as I don't subject others to my wishes, then it is my choice and my choice alone.

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[BigDog98]

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Here is the moral of the story. It is better that you do not take anything that is a health risk. But the point being is that even some foods have nicotine in it and alot of farmers these days use steroids and other chemicals for there cows and garden. Why do they do it? Because of money! Chemicals equal faster growth production which means more money faster for them. If you guys are willing to go deeper into the environment and health sides then i have a brain buster for you. Why do you drive cars? They give off pollution. Why do you boat? They kill fishes and pollute the water? Should i go on? Why do you guys think people these days are so picky about eating fish? Do you know how many people reported poisoning for the past years because of fish poison. Yes this did bring alot of attention to biologists and they all say its the pollution in the water. Why should we not throw garbage in the water? Same reason. Nothing we do is bio degradable. So the conclusion is.... LIFE IS A POISSON ! Nothing we can do about it! Never thought this post would go this far. Just tried to inform people a easy way to quit cigarettes if they still smoke em.

 

[QC]

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Tell me why I would do that? Would you stand by and say nothing if you seen someone playing with or tasting a bag of rat poison? I wouldn't and that is far safer than nicotine.

Bottom line, the more people know the more likely they are to do whatever it takes to stop ingesting poison. The more they hear it the harder it is to deny the facts. Can you imagine the horror of it if just one person in this forum read my posts and looked at the facts themselves and QUIT? Even worse, if that person then spread the truth to other addicts?

So you're saving the world? Please stop. This is precisely how threads get destroyed. It is your way, and you have said so, or the highway. That doesn't work. We know you want everyone to quit, and that you want no one to have access. That's where we differ. Please leave it there.

 

[MTboatguy]

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If health care costs were really a big motivator in this country, then we would be able to go to the grocery store and have healthy choices, but look at any grocery store in the country and there are new and worse products on the shelves every week, read the labels and see what they are feeding us, so again, if healthcare was a major part of things, the FDA would get off of its butt and start regulating the crap that is sold as food every day!

 

[BigDog98]

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So just grab a bottle of arsenic and be done with it???

Nice advise. No everything we eat and do is bad for us and the environment. Period

 

[WIMUSKY]

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If health care costs were really a big motivator in this country, then we would be able to go to the grocery store and have healthy choices, but look at any grocery store in the country and there are new and worse products on the shelves every week, read the labels and see what they are feeding us, so again, if healthcare was a major part of things, the FDA would get off of its butt and start regulating the crap that is sold as food every day!

And the healthy choices we do have at the grocery store cost a fortune, so very few spend the money to buy them....

 

[MTboatguy]

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There is a heck of a lot of stuff that need to change in the country, before we start to bring our health standards up and our health costs down. I am fortunate, I can afford to buy healthy food, but go to any grocery store in the county when the SNAP credits have been issue or SS Checks have been cut and watch what people buy, it is sad. We really need to work on changing things big time.

Like I said, I am very fortunate, I can afford to make healthy choices and the majority of the meat we eat is either wild meat or it is home raised chicken and I can control that stuff, I look at the meats in the store and it is pathetic.

 

[82rude]

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bubba1235,you can ban smoking tomorrow.the next day people will be smoking more than everbefore.did you or anybody else that is so rigid about smoking never learn from the total utter failure of prohibition.look at the complete failure of the war on drugs.i don't have the answers nor will I sermonise to people about their habits.we as a society cant even stop the use of hard drugs which are illegal and can send you to prison at least in your country.dont even get me started on the people that rail against perceived bad things then take their vicoden and go to the store or work in their car.i take responsibility for my actions and if I get sick or worse from what im doing its my fault not the companies fault I made that choice.doubt very much we will ever see a total ban for a long time as the revenues are too great.thanks bigdog I will be trying the ecigs, everthing else has failed, but maybe that's the way to go.i do know a couple of people that have had good success so maybe I can be one too.

 

[bruceb58]

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My friend is a family practice doctor. He had a patient come in who was worried about his cholesterol. My friend told him that the pack of Marlboros in his shirt pocket was around 100 times worse that what his cholesterol was. Cracks me up when smokers are worried about eating organic.