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I guess my point/question is: is Nicotine itself the issue? Or the stuff surrounding it?
Both really, but in the grand scheme of things, the tar/smoke is what gives you the cancer, not the nicotine.

But with all of this discussion, if Vaping gives an ingestion of nicotine

Vaping gives an ingestion of nicotine in the dosage of choice. What you are vaping is flavored juices. The juices have varied levels of nicotine in them from as high as 25mg or so (your typical strong cigarette) to zero, no perceivable nicotine at all, just flavoried juices.

without all of the cancer causing stuff, can it be bad?

The jury is still out on this, as technically no FDA studies have been done. But most people agree there is probably a little tiny bit of carcinogens in the water vapor, but its at such a small scale especially when compared to burning actual tobacco. Most everybody agrees they are less dangerous than cigarettes.


Is it any different than Nicorette gum?

Both can deliver nicotine to the body. The gum gets it into your bloodstream via the mouth, the vapes, via the lungs like a cigarette. But from a smoking cessation standpoint. The vaping still helps satisfy the part of the addiction that is holding something in your hand and puffing on something. Unless you were a cigarette smoker its hard to understand. But part of the addiction is the whole having one in your hands, and in your mouth.

Don't get me wrong, but I think if you do not smoke, and your a kid or adult and you pick up an Ecig and want to try it, wether you get a high nicotine juice or a zero juice, I think your a moron. There is absolutely nothing "good" about these things in that respect. But if you are a smoker, and truly want to quit. These are the best way so far to wean the body of cigarettes, and then eventually off nicotine all together.
 
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I actually understand the hand, mouth, smoke thing. When I did smoke I used to love to smoke while driving. It just went together. And I do like a good cigar. So if the nicotine issue is hard to define, and the smoke is hard to demonize, then let it flow baby!
 

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According to the CDC, evidence regarding whether nicotine is a carcinogen is inconclusive. (See http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/ershdb/emergencyresponsecard_29750028.html if you want the CDC's full treatment.) There is some evidence that repeated exposure to nicotine can actually be beneficial in some respects; for example, it its use has been associated with lower risks of dementia. Most likely, the repeated use of something that acts like a stimulant is probably worse for you (especially for your heart) over the long run, which probably offsets any benefits.

One reason e-cigs are helpful for people trying to give up smoking tobacco is, in addition to the "fiddle factor" (i.e., having something in your hands), the delivery is much more similar to the rush of nicotine that smokers like. If you think about, smokers are constantly undergoing withdrawal: they smoke a cigarette, get a nicotine jolt, and then over the next 20-30 minutes they start experiencing the symptoms of withdrawal (cravings, distractibility, etc.). Smoking a cigarette after that time is incredibly reinforcing, because it stops the withdrawal symptoms and provides a pleasant little rush. Nicotine patches can't replicate that rush; they are designed to decrease the intensity of withdrawal symptoms by constantly providing nicotine. Nicotine gum gets closer, in that it provides a burst of nicotine, but with gum the nicotine is absorbed much more slowly (absorption of vaporized nicotine via the lungs is much faster). E-cigs are an easier transition for smokers because e-cigs really mimic the nicotine delivery aspects of cigarettes.

It's probably better not to be addicted to nicotine, but if you are, e-cigs are a MUCH less dangerous form of the addiction than tobacco.
 

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Ecigs save lifes. It saved mine and I did not vape to get nicotine...I vaped to get OFF nicotine. I weened down to zero nicotine (water vapor) and found out the mechanical aspects of smoking were almost as addictive. That is why the nicotine patches are so ineffective. Vaping is the biggest breakthrough in smoking cessation. If somenoe disagrees it is usually from someone who has never smoked or is politically or money motivated.
If you think ecigs are harmful then you need to stay indoors on foggy days.


Haha , I like that one!!!
But i stated on 24mg and dropped to 6mg and soon will be at 0!!
 

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According to the CDC, evidence regarding whether nicotine is a carcinogen is inconclusive. (See CDC - The Emergency Response Safety and Health Database: Systemic Agent: NICOTINE - NIOSH if you want the CDC's full treatment.) There is some evidence that repeated exposure to nicotine can actually be beneficial in some respects; for example, it its use has been associated with lower risks of dementia. Most likely, the repeated use of something that acts like a stimulant is probably worse for you (especially for your heart) over the long run, which probably offsets any benefits.

One reason e-cigs are helpful for people trying to give up smoking tobacco is, in addition to the "fiddle factor" (i.e., having something in your hands), the delivery is much more similar to the rush of nicotine that smokers like. If you think about, smokers are constantly undergoing withdrawal: they smoke a cigarette, get a nicotine jolt, and then over the next 20-30 minutes they start experiencing the symptoms of withdrawal (cravings, distractibility, etc.). Smoking a cigarette after that time is incredibly reinforcing, because it stops the withdrawal symptoms and provides a pleasant little rush. Nicotine patches can't replicate that rush; they are designed to decrease the intensity of withdrawal symptoms by constantly providing nicotine. Nicotine gum gets closer, in that it provides a burst of nicotine, but with gum the nicotine is absorbed much more slowly (absorption of vaporized nicotine via the lungs is much faster). E-cigs are an easier transition for smokers because e-cigs really mimic the nicotine delivery aspects of cigarettes.

It's probably better not to be addicted to nicotine, but if you are, e-cigs are a MUCH less dangerous form of the addiction than tobacco.


Cigarettes = Tar + Tobacco + Nicotine and all other poisons rolled up in a piece of paper.= Bad smell bad breathe and oral problems.
Vaping = Vegetable glycerin + Prygol glycerin + Flavoring + Nicotine= A pleasant smoke experience from water vapor. All these components besides the Nicotine and Prgol Glycerine are all natural and organic. Now they make 100% organic vapes and options with 0nic.
 

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Nicotine, all by itself, is a carcinogenic. As a poison it is more lethal than strychnine or arsenic. Don't know how much more deadly you want it...
Seems like dosage is missing from your comments. I don't care a rats pattuti what happens to a mouse soaked in this stuff 24/7. Or a spider for that matter.

Don't get me started on DHMO!
 

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The Tobacco you smoke today is not the same as your grandparents smoked, it has been enhanced over the years for more potency.
Nicotine is but a small part of the make up of tobacco, and nicotine can be found in some of our foods as a natural by product.

Here are a few of the chemicals in tobacco smoke, and other places they are found:
Acetone – found in nail polish remover
Acetic Acid – an ingredient in hair dye
Ammonia – a common household cleaner
Arsenic – used in rat poison
Benzene – found in rubber cement
Butane – used in lighter fluid
Cadmium – active component in battery acid
Carbon Monoxide – released in car exhaust fumes
Formaldehyde – embalming fluid
Hexamine – found in barbecue lighter fluid
Lead – used in batteries
Naphthalene – an ingredient in moth balls
Methanol – a main component in rocket fuel
Nicotine – used as insecticide
Tar – material for paving roads
Toluene - used to manufacture paint
 

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Don't get me started on DHMO!

What is wrong with DHMO, My doctor actually prescribes it for topical relief of my aches and pains, and it works quite well.

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Opps, I meant DMSO, I read that wrong!
 
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Most e-vape liquid is derived from eggplants, we have a couple of companies that produce the juice here in the valley, I have visited with them at great length, I have considered investing in their business.
 

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The Tobacco you smoke today is not the same as your grandparents smoked, it has been enhanced over the years for more potency.
Nicotine is but a small part of the make up of tobacco, and nicotine can be found in some of our foods as a natural by product.

Here are a few of the chemicals in tobacco smoke, and other places they are found:
Acetone – found in nail polish remover
Acetic Acid – an ingredient in hair dye
Ammonia – a common household cleaner
Arsenic – used in rat poison
Benzene – found in rubber cement
Butane – used in lighter fluid
Cadmium – active component in battery acid
Carbon Monoxide – released in car exhaust fumes
Formaldehyde – embalming fluid
Hexamine – found in barbecue lighter fluid
Lead – used in batteries
Naphthalene – an ingredient in moth balls
Methanol – a main component in rocket fuel
Nicotine – used as insecticide
Tar – material for paving roads
Toluene - used to manufacture paint

Yup,

And those Canadian cigarettes are some of the strongest I have ever smoked!
 

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I get it, you don't want to hear it so you don't.
So odd. I want more info, thanks for the links. Blanket statements, though, without data are pretty much meaningless to me. Seems prudent to ask dosage questions. BTW, I never trust biased data either. The hatred of tobacco has driven researchers to find risks with what they now call "third hand smoke" WTH? So if I touch a couch in a guys house who smokes, I am now at risk. Does anybody really believe that? And they say that secondhand smoke "Kills" 50,000 Americans a year. Name one. I just want the data, the real info, and that is increasingly hard to find because Tobacco is evil, so lies are acceptable. Do I think tobacco is good? Of course not, but that doesn't mean that lies are OK. And, as I asked, I am not convinced that small doses of Nicotine are dangerous. Certainly not the same as Arsenic, again depending on dosage. If nic was as lethal as you suggested, then people wouldn't have to worry about Cancer, they would be dropping dead while puffing. Alcohol is poisonous, water is poisonous, Aspirin, Vitamin C is acid, so what? It is all about dose.
 

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Better stay away from tomatoes and eggplant and potatoes and peppers and cauliflower ETC, they all contain nicotine.
 

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BigDog98 said:
Yea thats me. Im 19. And own 3 boats. Not too shabby if you ask me.

How is it you have all this money for boats... But don't have a decent set of tools?
 

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How is it you have all this money for boats... But don't have a decent set of tools?

Was never really big into tools. I loose alot of them. I use to invest alot of money into tools and kept loosing them. Now i just have the simple every house hold tools or tools that is needed to be on a boat. Plus my parents own a marina so i have no expense for docking. So kinda a weird question. From my experience in boating it works in one of 2 ways. Either you have skills and know about on boats or alot of money.
 

BigDog98

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Yea scientist found out that some vegetables have nicotine in them. SO what now??!!
 

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If I am addicted to one piece of sugarless gum a day is that bad?
The problem with nicotine by itself is the incredible addiction you get to it. If you don't get that piece of gum, you won't go through the very bad withdrawal symptoms that you will get with nicotine.

My college friend's grandfather was in WW2. Said if the Germans didn't get him, the cigarettes won't either. He kinda changed his tune the last 3 years of his life dragging an oxygen bottle with him wherever he went. He was in a wheelchair for the most part. Circulation was so bad in his legs, he couldn't walk. Told me never ever to smoke. Felt even worse for his family that went through the hell with him.

Almost every stroke victim I know was a smoker for a good part of their life even if they didn't smoke currently.

Using these devices to get off smoking is a good thing. Just stop using them when you are done.
 
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