OldMercsRule
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Re: UK sailors captured at gunpoint
Re: UK sailors captured at gunpoint
[colour=blue]Hi Lisa, If it was a bluff it would never work. I'm deadly serious. Some people, (most Americans) don't have much knowledge of history, and therefore are doomed to repeat the past mistakes over and over again. They do know a lot about every aspect of homosexuality, (you will be glad to know)! George Santayana has a famous spot on quote to that effect that I wish I could remember the exact phrase to post here. I was never picked on too much as a kid in school when I was growing up. I was not the toughest kid in school but I was fairly tough. Any bully who picked on me got an unpredictable response where I would immeadiately escalate the dispute way beyound the bully's espectations. It has worked very well my entire life. Please examine history. There are zero examples of successfull pacifism through out human history. If you know of any to contradict my statement: please share, (n' good luck there are not any examples). Iran's case is very instructive over the last 30 years. They saw an incompetent pacifist in President Jimmy Carter as only 30% + or - of our military planes could fly due to spare parts he denied our troops. Our Navy was relatively weak and in real trouble too. All branches of the US Military were in very low spirits. Post 1989 the Soviet Generals have stated for the record how close they were to testing us, and had Ronald Reagan not won in 1980 we likely all would have different masters today in a very different world. That said: Iran got away with taking our people hostage, they established Hesbola who killed 241 American servicemen without any payback, and we left Lebenon in disgrace. Hesbola has been growing stronger and more lethal ever since, (think about what happened last year). We intercepted an Iranian freighter filled with weopons headed for Gaza a few years back, (remember)? Any cornsequences? They are now openly interferring in Iraq and boldly took 15 of your Soldiers. Next they will be dealing in Nuclear weopons. If you follow history you can predict what will happen next. Have you followed the 1930s style rhetoric of Iran's leaders? I guess ya thought Hitler was kiddin' too right? The posting of dead children is a favorite tactic of the Left and MSM as has been done here on iboats. Do you think the seventh century thugs ruling Iran care? They love it, as it ackomplishes their objectives to freeze the good people of the West!! If a smoldering Tehran sends a message to the Mullahs that if you mess with us you get hit real hard they would not even think of trying again. I know that is hard to understand in todays fuzzy world dominated by a MSM who works closely with Terrosts and Dictators, (note CNNs agreement with ol' Sadam) people who worry about the 15 soldiers sooooo much that they let London or New York go up in smoke to the Iranian or "Saracen" Barbarians. At some point, (after we suffer a real problem that will make that 4 year old look very inconsequential), we will then get tough and persue Sir Winston's very sound policies. Those with the courage to do that will be ruined by the looney Left after the job is done. I hope London and New York survive, but I doubt it as a large sacrifice will be necessary to get these great democracies riled up. Sacrifice Tehran next week and the world would become much safer , Mr Bush and or Blair would have real problems for saving all of us, as Sir Winston did not fare so well for his service to mankind. That's history Mrs J! The loons on the Left cost us dearly in the 1930s, and again in the 1970s and likely now in the 2000s thank you very much! Hope I'm wrong here but history cornvinces me I'm not! Respectfully, JR[/colour]
Re: UK sailors captured at gunpoint
jimlad said:OldMercsRule said:jimlad said:it seems the obvious is being missed here in that 15 sailors are in Iran somewhere no one apparently knows where and people want to nuke the country
with the sailors still in it.
Lisa
[colour=blue]Hi Lisa, One thing I have learned in my studies is that Persians and Muslims do IN FACT respect POWER. They are very sure we will not do anything like Rubber says, (and I think he may be right). Why did the Iranians release our people when Ronald Reagon took power? I think that is rather obvious don't you? 15 sailors are very important to me and most Americans and British, but not important AT ALL to the Mullahs: Lisa. If they had to ponder trading those 15 for the city of Tehran I bet they would blink if they really thought it would happen, don't you Mrs J? Respectfully, (and I do mean it) JR[/colour]
Hi OMR
yeah your right they would blink i agree but a bluff is a big gamble if thats what it is your saying
thankyou with respect also to yourself
Lisa
[colour=blue]Hi Lisa, If it was a bluff it would never work. I'm deadly serious. Some people, (most Americans) don't have much knowledge of history, and therefore are doomed to repeat the past mistakes over and over again. They do know a lot about every aspect of homosexuality, (you will be glad to know)! George Santayana has a famous spot on quote to that effect that I wish I could remember the exact phrase to post here. I was never picked on too much as a kid in school when I was growing up. I was not the toughest kid in school but I was fairly tough. Any bully who picked on me got an unpredictable response where I would immeadiately escalate the dispute way beyound the bully's espectations. It has worked very well my entire life. Please examine history. There are zero examples of successfull pacifism through out human history. If you know of any to contradict my statement: please share, (n' good luck there are not any examples). Iran's case is very instructive over the last 30 years. They saw an incompetent pacifist in President Jimmy Carter as only 30% + or - of our military planes could fly due to spare parts he denied our troops. Our Navy was relatively weak and in real trouble too. All branches of the US Military were in very low spirits. Post 1989 the Soviet Generals have stated for the record how close they were to testing us, and had Ronald Reagan not won in 1980 we likely all would have different masters today in a very different world. That said: Iran got away with taking our people hostage, they established Hesbola who killed 241 American servicemen without any payback, and we left Lebenon in disgrace. Hesbola has been growing stronger and more lethal ever since, (think about what happened last year). We intercepted an Iranian freighter filled with weopons headed for Gaza a few years back, (remember)? Any cornsequences? They are now openly interferring in Iraq and boldly took 15 of your Soldiers. Next they will be dealing in Nuclear weopons. If you follow history you can predict what will happen next. Have you followed the 1930s style rhetoric of Iran's leaders? I guess ya thought Hitler was kiddin' too right? The posting of dead children is a favorite tactic of the Left and MSM as has been done here on iboats. Do you think the seventh century thugs ruling Iran care? They love it, as it ackomplishes their objectives to freeze the good people of the West!! If a smoldering Tehran sends a message to the Mullahs that if you mess with us you get hit real hard they would not even think of trying again. I know that is hard to understand in todays fuzzy world dominated by a MSM who works closely with Terrosts and Dictators, (note CNNs agreement with ol' Sadam) people who worry about the 15 soldiers sooooo much that they let London or New York go up in smoke to the Iranian or "Saracen" Barbarians. At some point, (after we suffer a real problem that will make that 4 year old look very inconsequential), we will then get tough and persue Sir Winston's very sound policies. Those with the courage to do that will be ruined by the looney Left after the job is done. I hope London and New York survive, but I doubt it as a large sacrifice will be necessary to get these great democracies riled up. Sacrifice Tehran next week and the world would become much safer , Mr Bush and or Blair would have real problems for saving all of us, as Sir Winston did not fare so well for his service to mankind. That's history Mrs J! The loons on the Left cost us dearly in the 1930s, and again in the 1970s and likely now in the 2000s thank you very much! Hope I'm wrong here but history cornvinces me I'm not! Respectfully, JR[/colour]