Starcraft SS 18' I/O restore project

CheapboatKev

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Re: Starcraft SS 18' I/O restore project

Hey Rainbow,
What is the hull on now?
Is it on a trailer?
Do you have a couple scissor jacks and a few old tires?
I would think you can get her blocked up high enough to get her bottom painted.
 

cj8mule

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Re: Starcraft SS 18' I/O restore project

I don't know if you can spray that epoxy or not. Maybe someone will chime in.

I'm a big fan of the impliment paint, but then again... I'm a cheap ******. I think it holds up well and is easy to touch up. If you use something like Rustoleum, be sure to thin it out with a HIGH temp reducer. I'm also ready to paint my 18' SS in that 100 + heat. I feel your pain.

Keep after it Rainbow. Your SS is going to look great!
 

Rainbow hunter

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Re: Starcraft SS 18' I/O restore project

Thanks for the idea Kev, but I'm in a community storage yard. I have to be careful of hauling stuff like old tires, etc, in and creating an unsightly mess. If someone complains to management, I'm done for. I thought about using my crane hoist to lift it up one end at a time, but doing good prep work around the trailer and overhead would not be fun. As it is the mobile home park management here is being real nice to me letting me get away with engine changes and all, four boats in the yard, three in various stages of disrepair. Going to get rid of the donor hull later today and that will clean things up some.
 

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Re: Starcraft SS 18' I/O restore project

might be worth a trip to Harbor Fright to invest in some cheap tarps? projects under a silver tarp don't look as unaesthetic to the less enlightened.....
 

CheapboatKev

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Re: Starcraft SS 18' I/O restore project

Helllllll

I have seen some plans for some REALLY good home made boat stands.
I painted the bottom of the B ticket on the trailer..It can be done..

And B2 is right about the tarps, although in some parts of that area Id think a tarp means ILLEGAL ACTIVITY, POLOCIA POLOCIA!!!
Or maybe a drive spray by from the cartel.
 

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Im thinking maybe Easypoxy.

Easypoxy is a topside paint for above the water line but as I understand, can be submerged continuously up to 72 hours (someone correct me if that's not right) with no problems. But if you decide to go with it, it can be sprayed. This post is a great guide and the mixture should be the same for the Easypoxy, I used it to paint mine (roll & roll) following this formula:

http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=384982&p=3302799&viewfull=1#post3302799

I don't know of any paint that will survive being dragged across sand.
 

ezmobee

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Re: Starcraft SS 18' I/O restore project

Im thinking maybe Easypoxy. I want something,that will cure up very hard.

Then you SURE AS HECK don't want Easypoxy. Garbage paint. Seriously.

Either stick with Rustoleum or Valspar Implement paint from Tractor Supply and perhaps add the Valspar hardener or step up to a true two part marine paint.
 

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Re: Starcraft SS 18' I/O restore project

We've seen a couple folks here experience some failures with Easypoxy. Not real sure why since my paint has held up for going on 3 years with no problems. I will say that it is a topside paint and beaching my boat does leave me needing a little touch up every so often. Also it is not intended to set submerged for extended periods of time. If we leave our boat in the water for an entire two week vacation the paint below the waterline begins to get small bubbles and will rupture at the bubble if touched by for instance trailer rollers. Once it's out of the water for a couple days, the bubbles go away with no ill effects.

We're all doing garage and driveway restores. Some use spray, some use rollers, one guy does his prep a little different. I used primer and some didn't. Are they all using tack cloths between each and every coat? What about temp and humidity? So who knows what caused this guys or that guys failure but I'm certain it's not due to the paint being garbage.

Maybe we should say it's not smart to do your hull with easypoxy even though I'm extremely happy with my results. And honestly, if you're gonna be draggin your boat thru sand, etc. I'd strongly suggest going bare aluminum below the water line.
 

ezmobee

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Sorry, I should clarify. IN MY OPINION it's garbage and has failed for at least three of us that I know of. IN MY OPINION it offers no advantage over Rustoleum other than a better color palette which is the only reason I regrettably chose to use it. And IN MY OPINION, if you're going to go to all the effort that is apparently required to make this stuff work, you should really go for a quality two part paint.
 

lakelover

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...you should really go for a quality two part paint.

Definitely agree with that and would do so next time. As EZ mentioned, Easypoxy has more stock colors & that's the primary reason I went with it. If I was going one-part, I'd now go with Rustoleum & save the cash. I have no real complaints yet about the Easypoxy, but just because of the reported failures, I would go with one of the other options.
 

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Sorry, I should clarify. IN MY OPINION it's garbage and has failed for at least three of us that I know of. IN MY OPINION it offers no advantage over Rustoleum other than a better color palette which is the only reason I regrettably chose to use it. And IN MY OPINION, if you're going to go to all the effort that is apparently required to make this stuff work, you should really go for a quality two part paint.

Wasn't trying to be argumentative E. I'm actually baffled by what happened to a couple of you guys. Heck Clarks paint just fell off didn't it?

The guy who shot my topside is still complaining because he still has green paint in his paint booth. He says he can't get the stuff to let go??? And I just made my own color anyways so moot point. I guess since we're all DIYers we should be telling folks to steer clear since there evidently has been some problems.
 

ezmobee

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NB, my adhesion issue was self inflicted. I know that. I didn't prime. However, I was specifically informed that I didn't have to (I can't find the exact example but this is kinda damning http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6Y9jZBRryQ (first couple seconds)) I was under the impression that if your existing paint job was in excellent physical condition, you could just thoroughly scuff it up and overcoat. My existing paint job was not the factory paint but what appeared to be a professionally applied perhaps automotive finish. It was in great shape other than some scratches. I scuffed it with I believe both sandpaper and scotch brights. Proof: http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w200/ezmobee/New Boat/DSCF2266.jpg The paint was amazing to work with. Excellent coverage and absolutely pro spray booth looking results with a roller and brush! Proof: http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w200/ezmobee/New Boat/DSCF2354.jpg After one maybe hour long outing in the water, it was already starting to fall off the bottom. Also any contact whatsoever with anything (dock, etc) it's SO EASILY damaged. While others have fortunately not had the adhesion issues I've at (at least not as severe) they have had the chipping/scratching issues. My boat looked like this after a couple outings: http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w200/ezmobee/New Boat/548101_3717225281925_1620637211_n.jpg Granted once it started getting damaged I stopped caring about things like bumpers so it's much worse than I suppose it could be.

If the interior on my boat were to magically disappear and I had the opportunity to flip it again and start over, I'd strip the bottom and leave it bare. I'd paint a portion of the sides with Rustoleam or Valspar Implement paint with the Valspar hardener added.
 

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two-part is the only thing that will have a snowball's chance of standing up to even a little abrasion. even then, might be worth seeing if you could adapt one of those keelshield things for your boat. and remember to watch for biocides, which are often copper based and are in many 2 part bottom paints
 

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Re: Starcraft SS 18' I/O restore project

I knew you had some serious pblems with you paint E and I'm pretty sure Clark did also. I just dont get it I didn't experience any of this? Maybe in your case it just wouldn't stick to whatever was there to begin with?

RH, sorry about the hijack!!!!
 

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Wasn't trying to be argumentative E. I'm actually baffled by what happened to a couple of you guys. Heck Clarks paint just fell off didn't it?

The guy who shot my topside is still complaining because he still has green paint in his paint booth. He says he can't get the stuff to let go??? And I just made my own color anyways so moot point. I guess since we're all DIYers we should be telling folks to steer clear since there evidently has been some problems.

I used Easypoxy on both the Nassau and the Holiday and both times it came off. I think my problem was I stripped and did not properly key before priming - although I was kind of under the impression that self etching primer would take care of that - for the amount it costs it should!!

So - I now abstain from hull painting!!
 

Rainbow hunter

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I knew you had some serious pblems with you paint E and I'm pretty sure Clark did also. I just dont get it I didn't experience any of this? Maybe in your case it just wouldn't stick to whatever was there to begin with?

RH, sorry about the hijack!!!!

This is what these threads are all about to me. This is a great discussion and I hope benefitting many others beside myself.
 

Rainbow hunter

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Got a crew coming over this evening to help me turtle this hull. Thanks for all the discussion re paint. The following is what I've sort of formulated as opinion in my teenie weenie mind as to painting this hull.

To begin with, I've painted many cars in my time. I was lucky enough to have the advice of a body shop owner with many years of experience back when I painted my first couple of modifieds. He harped at me about some basic things that are now painted into my brain. Cleanliness, metal prep and priming with the right stuff, tack, temp and humidity control with multi-part and multi coat paints, and he had a whole host of mixing formulas for hardness depending on temp and humidity. In those days , I could call him at 8 am and he'd tell how to mix my paint for 1pm that day.

Im guessing the reason some have had problems with Easypoxy may have to do with temp and humidity altering the tack level of the material. Hard to say for sure, but given the problems associated with it, I think I'm going to go with implement paint that I know will stand up to water. This boat will be pulled from the water and washed down and flushed after each use. I also realize that no paint job will hold up to much beach sand, but I'd like to keep as much aluminum as possible from direct contact with salt water. I suppose that means I'll have to spray something at the bottom a couple times a year.

A friend of mine has used the Rustoleum marine stuff on his bottom and it didn't fair really well when he left it in a slip for 30 days. Prior to that, the paint had been on the boat for a year or so and faired quite well in fresh water. It had been applied by roller over scuffed US Navy marine grey. So I'd say if your boat is going to be in the water three or four days and then out, this stuff will work well for you. If your going to be somewhere for a month or so, pull it out every fifth day and let it dry out for 24 hours or so.

Another friend of mine was a heavy equipment welder/repairman. At one time somebody had given him a five gallon bucket of yellow Catapillar paint. That stuff was hard as nails and would take a hell of a beating. We painted lots of stuff with it with little to no prep (ie, wipe it down with mineral spirits and paint it) by brush, by roller and with the gun. Stuck like a brother and after two coats it was hard as the iron. Wish I could find something like it that wasn't yellow. I also bought some paint from John Deere because I had an antique JD for many years. It too holds up very well. Probably has the same base as the Catapillar stuff.

So later this week I'm going to run down to Sacramento to an automotive paint store and see if they can set me up with some heavy duty implement paint. I've dealt with these guys before and they have not only been helpful, but knowledgeable. I'm going to test their knowledge and see what they recommend. I believe two to three coats of some sort of implement paint mixed like WOG's Valspar is they way to go. Just have to get some dry morning air under 85degrees to spray it in.
 

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Re: Starcraft SS 18' I/O restore project

Sounds like you have the painting down, RH. I know you'll be happy to get past paint. From all the restos here the three big topics seem to be paint stripping, re-painting and trailer fixin'. Let's see a turtle. LOL
 
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