Slow Rebuild of Grandfathers 1972 Starcraft Holiday

[jbcurt00]

Re: Slow Rebuild of Grandfathers 1972 Starcraft Holiday

The dash can be a challenge, and almost impossible to pull in 1 piece...

The dash wood was dropped into a tapered space: up & down on the gunwale, plus fore & aft along the gunwale, then the bow skin was installed over it....

You might use a multi-tool to carefully trim a small piece off an end off behind the face of the gunwale & get enough room to pull it out.... May have to take a small slice off both ends....

Right off, I don't recall anyone getting it out whole & uncut..... But maybe someone else will chime in w/ some tips....

Safe travels & hope you can score the parts & pieces you're after. A bimini frame would be very handy, and the canvas for a pattern all the better

 

[Grandad]

Re: Slow Rebuild of Grandfathers 1972 Starcraft Holiday

[h=2]PMCs current project: 1988 Sea Nymph GLS[/h]

Hey Iam, I'm watching your rebuild too. Since your Holiday has stringers, you'll likely find PMC's Sea Nymph flotation arrangement incompatible with your hull. As others have said, use pink or blue foam board, as thick as you can find, and lay it horizontal as much as possible, trimming it to the angle of the hull with a hot wire foam cutter. Minimizing the number of cuts reduces the number of cavities where moisture can hide. You can build a foam cutter for cheap and the effort will pay off later. See my experience in the Holiday link in my signature.

Chose your battles carefully. Pull the dashboard only if you have to. Covering it is an option. Remember that people scramble through the centre window to reach the bow. Don't put anything such as a radio or other instruments on the dash below the window that you don't want kids climbing on. - Grandad

 

[sprintst]

Re: Slow Rebuild of Grandfathers 1972 Starcraft Holiday

Great boat with a lot of history. That's an awesome project.

 

[iamsaws]

Re: Slow Rebuild of Grandfathers 1972 Starcraft Holiday

So, didnt get everything I wanted to get done, but did make some progress.

Had a good night of some boozing at our good friends house back at home. Then it was off to gramps's in the morning to
look for cover, top Etc. Met the parents and brother there. Was able to find the cover and spare (new)ish battery.

Also- i have been allowed to take ownership of gramps's striper mounts. 1 was his PB a 42LBer and the other is 53 lber that he had bought at an auction years ago, I am using them as my inspiration. The mickey was also part of his "collection" of things and Blakely loved it so that also made it way home.


its a 2.5 hour drive home, with a slight hangover it felt like 5.

Got home unloaded everything and went to work.

Everything came out pretty easily i guess when wood is like mush, its not hard to tear up.


You can see gramps's fixes over the years- the worse it got the thicker the metal was:facepalm:




The styrofoam was in decent shape the only really water logged pieces were near the bilge. The boats hull looks very good. It was getting dark so I didn't have to time to really investigate. Pretty much everything was rotten, so the only intact piece was the bow section of the floor. Seems to be the most important piece anyway.



Overall happy with what I got done in 2.5 hours. Yards a mess, but the floor is out




I saved the dash, so I can really try to figure out what I wanted to do with it.

So far so good.

 

[jasoutside]

Re: Slow Rebuild of Grandfathers 1972 Starcraft Holiday

Yah, if you were able to save that bow most piece for a template you can certainly figure the rest. Nice tear out

 

[iamsaws]

Re: Slow Rebuild of Grandfathers 1972 Starcraft Holiday

next step is motor off and transom out. Transom from what I read is straight forward just a lot of grunt work.

have to go to Boston for work, when I get back I will throw together my motor stand and move it to the basement.

Would you guys still fog the motor if I plan on storing it in a heated dry space? Maybe remove the plugs and spray a little bit in the cylinders?

check the lower unit of course.

 

[Georgesalmon]

Re: Slow Rebuild of Grandfathers 1972 Starcraft Holiday

Fogging really depends on how long its gonna sit. Warm or cold. Thing is, it can never hurt anything but probably not needed for just a few months. if your going to spray it in you should also turn the motor over a few times.

Check the blind (pop) rivets holding the stringers down, they are often loose on a starcraft that old.

 

[iamsaws]

Re: Slow Rebuild of Grandfathers 1972 Starcraft Holiday

ok,
So got some things done. Motor fogged and removed. pressure washed the whole inside and removed every obstruction that was holding in the transom. There was quite a few. I think gramps must have replaced the transom before some of the screws that were holding the splash well were stripped. The main center support bolts were all warped. Is that normal?

The tie downs were just about rusted out. and the transom itself is very punky and water logged.

How have people been able to pull the main transom out? I am thinking its refusing to budge because its water logged. We have had nothing but rain for the last 2 week (its been uncovered) Would it come out easier if I was able to dry it out?

I can't pry on it, because it is so water logged and rotten it just goes through it. I'll look around what I can find. its amazing how much I cant remember anymore with an 8 month old

Most wives hate boat projects right?

just want to know I am on the right track.

 

[jasoutside]

Re: Slow Rebuild of Grandfathers 1972 Starcraft Holiday

Yup, they swell over the years as they soak up water.

You can get it out. Just some ingenuity, creativity, and some heavy equipment, she'll come

Nose around in the "Starcraft Rebuilds" thread in my signature. You'll find a whole variety of ways to pull er out!

 

[iamsaws]

Re: Slow Rebuild of Grandfathers 1972 Starcraft Holiday

http://burlington.craigslist.org/boa/3286978303.html

thinking about offering $400 for this rig?

Haven't seen it yet, but the motor if good would double the HP i have. Plus I could probably use the fuel tank and all the hardware.
The trailer looks to be in pretty good shape.

How mad would the wife be? Pretty F ing Mad...

I think I could buy it, strip it. Load it with the basement construction crap. Haul the hull and other garbage to the dump. Sell the Merc 40 HP and one of the trailers. I would come out pretty far ahead? Not that I have to convince you guys.

In theory this sounds good. im going to mull it over some more.

Hoping today allowed the transom to dry a bit. When It dries out a bit, It looks like it should come out fairly easy. I don't see to many issues with getting it out. Must be that its been wet and water logged its fighting me a bit.


thanks!

 

[jasoutside]

Re: Slow Rebuild of Grandfathers 1972 Starcraft Holiday

Not that I have to convince you guys.

Nope, you sure don't need to convince me! What you have just suggested are the basic steps I have worked through to fund each of my projects, so yah, I love the plan, bottom feeder approved

 

[laurentide]

Re: Slow Rebuild of Grandfathers 1972 Starcraft Holiday

I bet you can get that price down quite a bit, too. $1000 is probably just a nice round number, and they'd likely take half that. I wish I'd known this a few years ago when I bought my rotted out glass boat for that price. I look at the VT CL daily (yeah, that's right, there's only one for the whole state!), and nicer boats than this sit for a while at similar asking prices. I'm sure you know all this...but, it can't hurt to lowball. Good luck, man.

EDIT: I'm an idiot...you already said you'd offer $400. So, yeah, right on.

 

[iamsaws]

Re: Slow Rebuild of Grandfathers 1972 Starcraft Holiday

Yea- probably the right play to at least try to get it for cheap.

Now trying to explain that to the admiral is another story. She is usually pretty rational.
Guess woman don't like their homes turned into boat yards!

People seem to like these v4 evinrudes. I am guess an 88 HP would push this pretty good (low 30's?)

Anyone know the low down on the motors? if it has good compression, its good to go?

I dont need it to scream but would like a little get up and go. Just I know exactly where my little 40 Hp has been...

Sorry I don't respond to everyone like some do on their threads, but I do appreciate all the input from all!

 

[laurentide]

Re: Slow Rebuild of Grandfathers 1972 Starcraft Holiday

Compression test, while the engine is hot, and a spark test should tell you if it's worth your time and $. They're both easy and only require cheap testers.

My boat weight specs are just under 800 lbs, but it's been waterlogged since I've owned it. A Johnson 70 of the same era as that Evinrude (the 70 is a 3 cylinder) pushes mine to almost 40 in flat calm conditions. The old OMC's are beasts, especially if they've only been freshwater used. I'd make sure that it shifts smoothly as well.

 

[iamsaws]

Re: Slow Rebuild of Grandfathers 1972 Starcraft Holiday

Ok, so whats the secret to getting the transom out?

I have the two small pieces out. but the main transom piece will not budge. Its pretty rotten and wet.

I have not removed the splashwell and dont really want to. Do I have too?

I know i have seen some rigged apparatuses to pull the thing out, but I can't remember where.

I have it covered maybe just need to let it dry out for a few more days?

thanks!

 

[jbcurt00]

Re: Slow Rebuild of Grandfathers 1972 Starcraft Holiday

If it's rotten, you want/need it out soon, & you're comfortable making a template yourself, instead of copying the current transom, I'd probably start taking it out in whatever little pieces I could (since it's rotten) as long as I wasn't stressing the exterior skin of the transom.

 

[iamsaws]

Re: Slow Rebuild of Grandfathers 1972 Starcraft Holiday

thanks,

I would like to use it as a template. I was only able to salvage the very front nose piece of the floor so I would like
to just make a quick template of this. Just need to wait for it to dry a bit?

I pried on the outside skin a bit and stopped to ask how to get this thing out. I should know by now when everyone says its easy, it probably not really easy...

I think its just wet and swollen and so its jammed in there. I will give it a couple more days.

 

[jbcurt00]

Re: Slow Rebuild of Grandfathers 1972 Starcraft Holiday

Covered, w/ ventilation & heat would help speed up the process. Even if it's only heated when you get up in the am, until you leave for work & again in the evening for a couple hours. Air must be circulating in & out of the tarp..

 

[jasoutside]

Re: Slow Rebuild of Grandfathers 1972 Starcraft Holiday

This may be of some help...

http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=455193&p=3142847&viewfull=1#post3142847

Plus, be doubly sure you have all the fasteners out and the drain tubes!

 

[iamsaws]

Re: Slow Rebuild of Grandfathers 1972 Starcraft Holiday

thanks to you guys!

I got the heater going. I triple checked everything and pretty sure I got everything out of the transom.

Looks like I need a chain pull! I think I will try to let her dry out for a couple more days and then go at her again!

Thanks, i think I only found the the threads that said "well I put a couple screw drivers in the scuppers and out she came"