PlayDoh’s 16 SS resto underway

Watermann

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nice looking boat there WM. If I had a spare 15 mins in my life lately, I’d love to check out more of your projects.

Whats on top of your gunnel? It looks to have texture.

For those top surfaces I used Epifanes poly beads that mix into the paint and catalyst hardener, then rolled it on. Super tough non skid surface that looks good. Way easier than adding vinyl or carpet, especially when it comes to repairs if needed.

https://www.epifanes.com/product/00/...Beads-20-grams
 

PlayD0h

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So problem solved. I went up to 25% thinner. Roughly %15% xylene and 10% acetone with hardener. Also added more air pressure up to 30ish at the gun, from 20psi.
The difference between 15 & 25% is night and day. I used 250 ml + thinner and hardener, and got both sides and a bit to spare. I would guess the black sections I painted are from 50-60% of the hull side. I used 350 ml at 15% xylene plus hardener.
2 things crossed my mind regarding the manufacture directions. 1, you’ll use more paint and more income for them. 2 the paint will be more durable at the expense of mirror finish, which I’d guess isn’t very important to the majority of people using rustoleum.
Also since the white went on with nearly no orange peel and the black did, the only difference is age of the cans. White gets used much more on boats, and my white cans are like 6 months old. That can of black I exchanged was 4.5 years old and it was crazy thick. It was like that cornstarch slime kids are into now. Glack or something.
anyways the black I just sprayed is 2.5 years old and since the paint gets thicker with time, older paint needs more thinner. Or better yet only buy fresh paint.

Rustoleums date codes start with a letter, all mine are H, which specifies plant location. Next is year, then month, then day and the last digit determines which of 3 daily batches it is from.
H71 for example is January 2017

shelf life is 3 years

so I used some 100 grit in a power sander and flattened the paint (again), 220 grit after, then shot the 25% mix. Might have been 27%, and according to WOG, 30% is max. I think hardener makes a difference with reducing / thinning. Regarding cure time and cure method.

It looks much better. Not perfect, but better. Even without wet sanding / buffing it will look good. I put the second coat on the gunnel pieces I replaced (long ones) and I might rivet it in later when it’s had 8 hrs or more to dry.
I’m desperate to get the consoles and splashwell in so I can instal the seat bases. Things should move quick after that. I’m going camping in ten days and the boats coming, complete or not. The only thing I’m not sure about is the bow seat cushions. I’m just going to put a rectangular cushion, normal seat sized, and those can wait like the finer details like storage compartments and such.
Thanks for pointing out my paint issues WM. I likely wouldn’t have considered trying to correct it, since I’ve been so deadline focused. Task, completion, next
 

PlayD0h

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I’ve been thinking of names.
SS Advil
SS Visa
SS Overkill
Time Machine or Time Piece
Net Worth. (fishing net...)
Rusto Resto

yet I’m likely going to use SS Hazel for my 6 month old granddaughter. In part because it better last long enough for her to own it one day.
 

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Not like I didn’t know something like this was going to happen, yet still sucks. I had quite the battle getting the front curved gunnel strip back on. I’m not quite sure why, since it was the same piece I took off but the bow had a different curve. Maybe just relaxed after being loose for so long, or the tension is intended to make things more ridged. Only the last 4 or 5 rivets took some good shoving to get the holes lined up. I’ll try starting at the front and rivet as I go back, on the stern side.
 

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Watermann

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Sounds like you have the paint figured out, not as easy as it looks as we all find out.
 

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I’ve been thinking of names.
SS Advil
SS Visa
SS Overkill
Time Machine or Time Piece
Net Worth. (fishing net...)
Rusto Resto

yet I’m likely going to use SS Hazel for my 6 month old granddaughter. In part because it better last long enough for her to own it one day.

I’m calling mine the dog house.
 

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Not like I didn’t know something like this was going to happen, yet still sucks. I had quite the battle getting the front curved gunnel strip back on. I’m not quite sure why, since it was the same piece I took off but the bow had a different curve. Maybe just relaxed after being loose for so long, or the tension is intended to make things more ridged. Only the last 4 or 5 rivets took some good shoving to get the holes lined up. I’ll try starting at the front and rivet as I go back, on the stern side.

Bummer!! We all have the same things happen. Hard to be 101% all the time. Can you rework it after installation ?
 

PlayD0h

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Bummer!! We all have the same things happen. Hard to be 101% all the time. Can you rework it after installation ?

Ya, it’s actually the best time for it to happen, as there’s no trim on it, and I have the white to paint on the hull still, so just a quick sand, mask and shoot.

The funny thing is the moment it happened I asked myself why I painted the boat, lol. Now I have to worry about scratches and scuffs. I’ve had near new trucks, but my truck now is a 99 3/4 ton chev. Hail damage, dents and rust. Not horrible, but the peace of mind not caring much if it gets scratched or such is underrated.

No lie, I was going to put Dog House in there, lol. ”Mistress” might be a good one, but I’d spend a long time in the dog house if I dared that.
 

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Sounds like you have the paint figured out, not as easy as it looks as we all find out.

I just put the last coat of black on and it looks even better. I think that’s coat 5, yet 2 got sanded down good. I had peeks of primer before these last 2 coats, so it’s not crazy 5 coats thick thankfully. $60 and a dozen or so hours wasted, but all is well that ends well.

I might do a ‘help painting for a newbie by a newbie’, just to condense what I learned and help others.

I remember when I worked in a shop that had a painter and he had this cup / funnel. He would dip it in the paint to fill it, then time how long it took to drain completely. That was his way of knowing how thin the paint was. He sprayed the same paint everyday, but he always did that. Meaning he must have known that paint thickness can vary, even from the same source. He never trusted a ratio, and now I never will either.

Moral if the story, mix then test, not mix then shoot the whole damn boat twice before someone lets you know it’s ugly / wrong. lol.

One clue was that I didn’t have any dust land on the paint at first. That was because the paint was half dry before it landed on the boat, and dust didn’t stick. These coats I misted the floor to keep the dust down which was another trick I seen our painter do.
 

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I put the first coat of white on the hull, and the main frame section of the trailer. I took a better look at the crack on the trailer frame and the entire side of the crossmember is broken completely. The other side has a 1-2 inch crack starting and what’s scary is what would of happened if it also cracked completely.
The tongue is half ( or more) supported by that crossmember so it’s possible that the entire boat and 3/4’s of the trailer could have broke free. What’s more troubling is that the crack was painted over. I’m sure it wasn’t as bad when it was painted, but that could be seen as criminal.
Im grabbing either some channel or angle to weld supports for the cracks / breaks
 

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Man that was pretty darn close to a catastrophe. Definitely V grind out the crack and weld, then fish plate and weld. I’d probably box that channel afterwards with flat bar or sheared plate also
 

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I don't know about that trailer, cracking in multiple areas would make me hesitant to use, even after repairs.
 

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I got a 2x2 1/4” angle to weld to it. I’ll run it the whole length, and weld the crack.
I’ll take a closer pic to show how odd the area is. It looks like something hit the area that cracked. It looks like broken glass.
The trailer has beef and it’s not flimsy, so it must have taken serious damage to start this crack. The broken side looks nothing like fatigue caused. The other side does. The angle I’m putting in there would carry the load itself.
 

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I grabbed a couple tee nuts to try out and there $5 EACH! WTF. Lowe’s is $6.50. That’s insane. May as well get sterling silver for that price, if not gold.
I might try and fab up something. I thought of a half circle of AL or SS with matching tapped holes. Tapped if SS, or SS nut somehow affixed to the AL plate.
Put them under with some gorilla glue and bolted up to secure them till the glue dries.
I found some SS T nuts online for reasonable prices, most won’t ship to Canada, but some will. I’ll have to put them in water for a day to make sure there really SS though.
I wish I could have figured out where the seats were going to go before putting the deck down for good. I still can’t position them until the SW and consoles go in, which should be tonight I hope.
I put the second coat of white on this morning, so I get to see what she looks like when i get back home.
 

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Dry fit decking and consoles, then mark where seats need to be for you. A seat slide to for the helm takes the final position to that perfect spot.
 

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Bad pics but I had to peek last night. She’s starting to look like a boat again, lol. Gunnels are 90% done, which was way more work than I expected. I wish I would have just left them on and just swapped the pieces one at a time.
Im not looking forward to putting the rub rail back in. I used a heat gun to get it out. I wonder if they installed it by sliding it in from the end?
 

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Watermann

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Heck yeah lookin good from here :thumb:

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Thanks. Do you know how to order from them? Looks like by phone, but I wonder if they sell retail or have a big minimum order size?

I used to use them frequently. They used to ship to us for free if the order was $75 or greater or something. They do have their catalog online but it’s sort of archaic.
Their phone operators are very efficient. Their call centre is toll free.
 
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