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[jcsercsa]

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I've got the pvc boards , thanks John http://www.verandainfo.com/Page.aspx?page=321dcb91-2a98-483f-bc4f-017df688e33f

 

[jcsercsa]

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[I'm not sure if I completely understood what you were saying about the furniture grade plywood.

The reason I bring this up is that Plywood in inherently more stable than any regular strip or plank of wood due to cross grain layering. The problem with plywood is when the glue lets go ( delamination ).

hay red sorry i didnt answer you earlyer, the plywood is oak plywood, 3/4 , i had it left over from a counter top i made here a few years ago , its really nice stuff, its allmost a shame to cover it !!!! I dont have enough for me to double up on that stuff so that is why the 2x12s , anr the warp , that is why i did the slip joint on the 2x12s, and did the opposite grain on ever other board, I think or i hope it will out last how long i am going to own her !!! say the next 5 years I will have a new one, or so the wife says !!!!!!!!!! lol hahahaha John

 

[jcsercsa]

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Don't use the plastic (composite) deck boards, they're heavy and week, plus many aren't made from PVC and some have wood mixed in. Use the PVC boards (used for trim), they're much lighter and easier to work with, don't expect any strength from them though, just use them as a non rotting shape to glass around. Typical polyester (there are PVC and ABS bonding versions) resin won't bond that well to PVC, so don't rely on it to, but since you only need it for the shape it won't matter that much.

hay ondarvr it will bond with epoxy wont it ???? John

 

[jcsercsa]

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Ok guys what about this Idea I had on the transom where the holes are , can I pre-dril the holes bigger fill them with epoxy , then mount it then drill it the right size, does anyone see a problem with doing ??? John

 

[ondarvr]

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John

For a good bond to PVC there are certain ingredients needed that are not in a typical formula, normal epoxy will bond better than standard polyester, but it may not be great. Next time you mix some epoxy try sticking some glass to a scrap of PVC, or glue two scraps together, then you'll know if the epoxy you have (then can be very different) will stick to it.

 

[jcsercsa]

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John

For a good bond to PVC there are certain ingredients needed that are not in a typical formula, normal epoxy will bond better than standard polyester, but it may not be great. Next time you mix some epoxy try sticking some glass to a scrap of PVC, or glue two scraps together, then you'll know if the epoxy you have (then can be very different) will stick to it.

Ok how about this , I am just useing them for my stringers isnt it the glass that i put over it that gives it its strength?john

 

[jcsercsa]

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John

For a good bond to PVC there are certain ingredients needed that are not in a typical formula, normal epoxy will bond better than standard polyester, but it may not be great. Next time you mix some epoxy try sticking some glass to a scrap of PVC, or glue two scraps together, then you'll know if the epoxy you have (then can be very different) will stick to it.

Also ondarvr I dont have the epoxy yet is there a kind that you would recomend? I was going to order it from Us composites , I am going to get my glass and everthing from them , I was going to order epox-6355564 one gallon and the i was also going to order there 150 thick epoxy system epox-150313 1/2 gallon , do you know anything about these?? thanks John

 

[jcsercsa]

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OK here's a start of my part list, can anyone think of something else
LIST 1] Epox-6355564 one and a half gallons thin $59,00
2 ] Epx -p11 1-1 ratio pump set of two $ 5.95
3] 150 Thick Epoxy System Epox-150313 3/4 gal $31.50 Heres where I'am not sure was thinking,
4] fiberglass cloth 4oz x 50' [all three ten yards} $ 49.00
5] 8.5oz 2x2 twill fiberglass e cloth or 10oz eglass $ 68.50
6] Woven Roving 18oz x 50' $46.00
7] Liquid Urethane Pour Faom 2-16lb kit 59.00ea $118.00 total $377.95

Well what do you guys think ?? am i going to have enought epoxy?? about 2 1/2 gal ?? Is this enought fiberglass, the two out side stringers are 3.5 tall and the center is 10 inchs tall , and the two out side stringers are 10 feet long and the center is 9 feet ... think I am going over board on the glass , the two out side stringers I can use one 10 foot piece and cut it in two , with it being 50 inchs wide , really only need it to be about 16 inchs in with, and thats with a 4inch layout on the hull on each side !!! the center has to be 22 inchs in with , I can allways use the extra on the deck , right !! man with the shipping it going to be over 500, Ok so I could use some input , Thanks John

 

[ondarvr]

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I have no suggestions on epoxy, I've never found a need for it in a typical boat repair. I do use epoxies in other types of applications, but they're all specialty products.

 

[jcsercsa]

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Ok guys how long will it take to dry like this ?? 120 on the light side and 90 on the other did a thermometer on both sides really on the one it was plus 120 , thats as far as it goes been doing this for a week now !!!!! john

 

[oops!]

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thro a fan on that puppie and crank the heat to about 75...... you need air movment to dry it faster.

gotta go to work....then back on er......ill check in a bit later.....

see ya john

 

[jcsercsa]

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thro a fan on that puppie and crank the heat to about 75...... you need air movment to dry it faster.

gotta go to work....then back on er......ill check in a bit later.....

see ya john

ok yea should have thought of that !!!!!! lol Fan on her now with light !!!!! How long so you guys think ?? its got to be cut tomarrow along with the other two stringers !!! john

 

[jcsercsa]

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this is a pic of the 2x16 pt that I planed down to a 1x16

this next pic is where i was grinding to day and got a little carried away , the chip out !!

this next pic is one of the transom ground down

this next is a pic of the 2x12 that are going infront of the plywood , it has two of the 5 coats of polyureathne ,

 

[jcsercsa]

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OK guys what I got done today , had this last bit of grinding to go, and it gone now and was hopeing this was the last , BUT OOOPS had to bust my bubble and say that your not done grinding till its in the water !!!!!!!!! he couldnt let me have a couple of days , shoot he couldnt let me have one day ??????????? lol and help me still can get this mental pic of him running out of the shower to get a post on another thread !!! help me !!!!! hahahahaha Ok heres the pic OHH this is a pic of thr stern

Ok well I got tomarrow off and want to get the stringers cut again !!! this time measure 2 and then measure again, the measure one more time , then maybe cut , nope measure one more time !!!!!!!!! cant keep blowing 70 bucks !!!! lol ohhh yea today also got the third and the forth coats of poly on the boards one more coat on this side then flip them and 5 more coats on the other !!!!!! going to get 10 coats on the edges !!!!
And I also just dumped a bunch of pis in my potobucket, so if anybody wast to check them out , be my guest there not in the right order yet but they will one of these days !! OK later guys John

 

[oops!]

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awesome john....looks really really good.....

make sure you fill those cracks in the boards you planned down.

i didnt under stand that last pick your grinding on....????where is that?

but isnt it nice to see it coming togeather???.....you realize...after the transom and strings......its just foam...and floor.....THEN CARPET AND DONE!!!


tee hee...... then before we get them on the water were off to buy another old hull.....

 

[jcsercsa]

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make sure you fill those cracks in the boards you planned down.

OHHH yea I was going to poly that all so got a little over 3/4 of a gal,


tee hee...... then before we get them on the water were off to buy another old hull.....[/QUOTE]

What OHHHH MAn I like being married !!!!! better give a a year or two !!!! hahahaha John

 

[jcsercsa]

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I shouldnt say that about my wife she has been great about this whole thing !!!! love her to death !!!!!!!!!!!!

Now what i got done yesterday was a 3 hour nap after the kids went to school !!!!!! lol and after that well I did get the stringers, ruff cut !! and started to fit them !!! not going to make the same misstakes[ lol } i made last time !!!! and got the 5th coat of poly on the transom now starting the other side ... John

 

[jcsercsa]

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OK OOOPS you were right !!! I'm not going to finish grinding till I get it in the water am I ???? Gal Dang it !!! putting it nicely !!! lol Man I spent 5 hours grinding today !!!!! got two of the 3 stringer cut and fitted yesterday , right this time , got started on the 3th one and there was some old glass that was still in the way , So i ground that clean and was thinking that I srill needed to ruff up all the glass where i am going to lay !!! So 5 hours later its 90 percent done still got a little left , but My hands were so sore I couldnt hang on to the grinder much more !!!! Well theres next week !!! John

 

[jcsercsa]

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OOOOHHH yea as i was grinding off the old glass that held the old stringers on I noticed that glastron had only used matt on them ,thats all the just used matt twice?? why ?? John

 

[oops!]

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in the olden days.... they used just about anything to do build boats...from pallets to left over glass.

even matt is incredibly strong......any yes...with poly !

the matt is just there to hold the stingger in place and give some waterproofing.

the majority of stress in a stringer is longitudnally...that means there is not much side to side stress on the string...so a few layers of matt will keep it from flopping over....but the hull stability stress is transferred over a longer strech so less glass can be used.......because there is more hull contact.

but when re building.....i would do matt, cloth , matt with each layer overlapping to further contact the hull.

im gonna take the brackets holding the new transom off today....and see if i can get started on glassing the whole hull...stem to stern......that means more grinding......ugh

cheers bud......keep atter...
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