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[ezmobee]

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Dilemma. I have a spare 65 hp Merc (1967) in nice shape. Or, I have line on a mid to early 70's Chrysler 130hp w/ t&t owner wants $350 for it. The guy says ran it lasty year and has 125 psi in each cycl.. his boat was junk.

Hmmmmm....

My practical said says listen to 64osby as he's dead on. My big 'ol Chrysler lovin' side says get the 130
Best parts support is on '78 and newer OMC's. '73 and newer not bad. Mercs probably good from '80 or so on but I'm no Merc expert.

 

[tgp***]

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Decisions..Decisions....good thing I'm a long way from strapping a motor on the back of that thing. Motors come and go on CL all the time. I have a twin 1967 ss650 Merc in the garage that might be even better than the one on the Nassau. And I love the one that's on my Nassau. Just need to find the right prop for it. Based on this prop chart for my ss650 it should work. 13 pitch prop should do the trick. I run the 12.5" inch 15 pitch prop on the Nassau.

 

[64osby]

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My practical said says listen to 64osby as he's dead on. My big 'ol Chrysler lovin' side says get the 130
Best parts support is on '78 and newer OMC's. '73 and newer not bad. Mercs probably good from '80 or so on but I'm no Merc expert.

Good to see you EZ. The outboard cult was missing you. Chrysler :smash::boom::help:


tpg - there are some great guys over on the prop section, just need base line readings to start the discussion. Use one of your existing props if you can for a baseline and then buy the one that works.

 

[tgp***]

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Finally got time to work on the boat. So here are a few photo's of what I was able to get done. I broke down and coughed up the cash for a sheet of 3/4" marine plywood to make the transom. Had coupon for $5 bucks off at ACE, picked up a bottle of Titebond Polyurethane glue only ended up costing me $3. I used screws in a 4" grid because I didn't have enough clamps worked pretty slick, I thought, Just need to fill the screw holes. For the tips I ran a dado, pinned it, and PL'ed it. Now I just need to pick up a can of BONDO resin to seal it, and paint it. Should be fine. Console is all finished now too, along with repairs to the stern light.

 

[dozerII]

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Wow, TGP awsome job on the consul.

 

[GA_Boater]

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TGP - Man your new coffee table is fabulous. You should see how it looks in the boat. Seriously - beautiful, simply beautiful. :thumb:

 

[ezmobee]

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Dash looks awesome!

Now I just need to pick up a can of BONDO resin to seal it, and paint it.

This is poly resin. It's useless without glass.

 

[tgp***]

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This is poly resin. It's useless without glass.

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Thanks EZ. Why doesn't it work as a sealer? Would RustO Marine work better by itself?

 

[jbcurt00]

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A coat or 2 of epoxy would work great as a sealer, then a coat or 2 of spar varnish/paint to protect the epoxy from UV.

 

[InMotion]

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Consol looks great TGP! Coffee table or wet bar... it looks great nonetheless!

 

[tgp***]

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A coat or 2 of epoxy would work great as a sealer, then a coat or 2 of spar varnish/paint to protect the epoxy from UV.

My plan was to seal w/ the BONDO resin, then the Rusto marine paint a top coat. If I'm understanding EZ correctly, the Poly type resin would not work as a base coat for painting.

Sounds like I need to research this a little more.

 

[jbcurt00]

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My plan was to seal w/ the BONDO resin, then the Rusto marine paint a top coat. If I'm understanding EZ correctly, the Poly type resin would not work as a base coat for painting. Sounds like I need to research this a little more.

You are correct, as was Ez, polyester resin has no value w/out fiberglass. Epoxy resin is entirely different. And is often the go to product for transoms in tin rebuilds.

Hit the SC resto thread & read thru a few of those:

Starcraft Rebuilds and Restorations, they're all here!

Lots of good info in there..

again, of NOTE: Epoxy is NOT UV stable, it must be covered if it will be exposed to sunlight & UV. The epoxy is a great sealer & adds some strength, but its the paint, spar varnish, carpet or vinyl covering that protects the epoxy from UV.

 

[tgp***]

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I've read a lot of the threads that people are using epoxy resin to seal there transom.

So I just went to the BONDO web site. This is quoted from the resin product on there web site....... "Bondo? Fiberglass Resin is the same high-strength polyester resin that is used to build most boats. Can be used alone or with fiberglass tape, cloth or mat to repair damaged fiberglass boats, snowmobiles, jet skis, bathtubs and showers.

Can also be used as a sealer on damaged and rotted wood. Seals concrete, is great on large or small metal rust-outs and joins most surfaces together while creating a strong and long lasting bond. Sandable in less than 2 hours. Compatible with all paints, including gel coat and marine paints. Waterproof. Includes Liquid Hardener."

Interesting that they wood make claims to be waterproof, a sealer, and a stand alone product. I'll do some more research. Hard to find a inexpensive epoxy resin.

 

[ezmobee]

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tgp, in addition to just parroting what I've read countless times from all the fiberglassin' experts on this site.......I've personally sealed some wood on my old boat with the Bond-o resin and it started peeling within a season. Now that was also pressure treated wood which may have been too wet (this was back before I knew anything!)

 

[tgp***]

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I'm checking out a bunch of different sites. I did find 1 or 2 conversations that I didn't need a chemistry degree for, however, most of the conversations had a structural component with the usage of the products, and that epoxy is the proven better product when it comes to structural bonding for wood boats. I did find one place where they talked about using the Poly resin and thinning w/ acetone and using extra hardener, as a sealer. I need to flip the boat again now so I can test fit that transom. My guess I'll need to do a little sanding before I seal it up and paint it.

 

[jbcurt00]

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One of the resident resin experts on iboats, ondrvr, and many others have discussed thinning resins at length, and generally the concensus is don't.

Use the advanced search feature from the iboats resto forum home page

Your research may have yielded different results.......

 

[tgp***]

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Finally got some spare cash to purchase some epoxy resin for sealing the wood on the boat.
Went with this product and got a good price of $55 for a gallon kit.
Marine Grade Epoxy Resin 1 Gallon Kit | eBay.

Now. I just need some decent weather its either been snowing or raining for the last few weeks.

 

[brnschoneck]

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i think u made a good choice i used poly resin it too bubled and left bubbles in my paint job however it did seem to hold up pretty well i wouldnt use it as a sealer again def.. epoxy is the way to go !!!

 

[jbcurt00]

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i think u made a good choice i used poly resin it too bubled and left bubbles in my paint job however it did seem to hold up pretty well i wouldnt use it as a sealer again def.. epoxy is the way to go !!!

That sounds like an application or prep problem, not a problem w/ the resin itself..........

 

[tgp***]

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The Starmada should be proud today. Finally got home from work in the daylight. A sunny day for a change, too. Still a foot or better of snow on the ground. Decided to move the hull up from the back yard. 150 plus feet with an slight uphill grade, behind the house, and deck. How do I get the hull up to the driveway, you ask? Ran out of everything too reach it, finally took my daughters jump rope to make the last few feet!! Had the wife drive the truck out driveway while I guided the hull around the deck and house without crashing. Way too funny!! Glad no one was filming me......

Ahhh.... now I can get back to working on the boat. Its been a long cold winter with way too much snow. I'm looking forward to making some progress on the boat. Pictures coming soon..........