Liberals against Christianity???

txswinner

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It was the ACLU who defended the judge in Alabama against the state to allow him to keep the 10 commandments in the courthouse. The ACLU lost the case.<br /><br />The ACLU defended the right for the 10 Commandments to stay on the Capital grounds in Austin and won. So the ACLU takes up many unpopular causes, and I disagree with many but EVERYONE is entitled to their day in court.
 

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Originally posted by JB:<br /> Labels, labels, labels. :mad: <br /><br />The biggest problem with labels is that too many people put a label on someone and think they know all about them.<br /><br />If you say such and such you must be a whatchamacallit. And all Whatchamacallits are like this and think that.<br /><br />Hogwash! :mad:
I'm with JB on this one-can't we just go boating?
 

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Originally posted by JB:<br /> Labels, labels, labels. :mad: <br /><br />The biggest problem with labels is that too many people put a label on someone and think they know all about them.<br /><br />If you say such and such you must be a whatchamacallit. And all Whatchamacallits are like this and think that.<br /><br />Hogwash! :mad:
I think JB nailed part of the problem. There is a principle I learned about in a management leadership course that rings true to me and perhaps will better explain what JB is alluding to. I'll see if I can dig up the material so I can post it in an efficient format rather than trying to paraphrase it in my blundering way.
 

txswinner

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Have a great weekend guys. My liberal Methodist minister and I are heading out to Gibbons Creek to try and slip up on a bass or two. Two liberal Democrat Christians back to the roots.
 

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Ever notice that almost every university (including those affiliated with Christian churches) offers degrees in "Liberal Arts" but none offer "Conservative Arts"?
 

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My post wasn't directed at anyone in particular.<br /><br />My annoyance is with the "allness" that labeling tends to cause in people's minds.<br /><br />Whatever one thing you may believe about a person tells you nothing about anything else, nor does it tell you anything else about others who may share that one thing.<br /><br />Ralph is correct that humans "tend" to categorize things and people, but he is incorrect that it has "worked" for millions of years. It has never worked and it never will. It has been the single most common cause of conflict in human history.
 

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DJ,<br /><br />
Oh yeah, WE'RE REAL SCARY. Held across the street from an abortion clinic to pray in SILENCE.<br />
I have three words for you, Eric Robert Rudolph. It is not all silence and peace.
 

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JB, the difference between you and many on this board is that you have learned to crystalize the things that really are important in life,such as faith, acceptance and respect ,whereas many others still concentrate on the less important issues like in the case of this thread religion and of course the ever entertaining subject of politics.<br />Sometimes it seems to me that those who have stared death in the eyes and were aware of it,are a lot slower to judge,because they learned what is really important.Maybe that is why I feel that we can see eye to eye.
 

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JB - 3 posts in the same thread. Whew!!
 

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Categorizing (labeling) is the basis of all science - it helps make models of the world and the way it works. That is why they endure. They are imperfect at times but they communicating a lot of information very efficiently. They are generally more correct than wrong. People very often self-select into groups (labels) because of what those groups profess to stand for. There are always anomalies and gradations but those are expected.
 

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Labels? Personally, I don't think it is the labeling that causes the problem. <br />Rather, it is the the mislabeling that causes problems. Label me all you want, just get it right!
 

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The labeling of a molecule is pretty reliable, Ralph.<br /><br />The labeling of human beings is more inaccurate than accurate.<br /><br />I have lived through times when labels and their allness caused (and to some degree still do cause) great human injustice and misery.<br /><br />"persons of color are all. . .."<br />"women are all..."<br />"homosexuals are all. . . ."<br />"Japs are all. . . ."<br />"Rednecks are all. . . "<br /><br />Now it's:<br />"Christians are all. . . ."<br />"Muslims are all. . . ."<br />"Liberals are all. . . "<br />"Conservatives are all... ."<br /><br />Wrong. ALL wrong.
 

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A person who favors a political philosophy of progress and reform and the protection of civil liberties. This is the definition of the word liberal.<br /><br />A person who favors a political philosophy of progress and reform and the protection of civil liberties. This is the definition of the word conservative.<br />How many people on this thread can say that they disagree with any of this?<br />Don
 

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DJ, religion is being forced down my throat. Everywhere I look is religion. Everywhere I read is garbage about the "moral decline" of our country, which has nothing to do with religion, it is just used as ammo to push a cause. My whole point is that we all know there is religion, we don't need to be reminded of it. Why do you have to fight for it at all? Just what the hell does the belief in God have to do with laying on your back and crying about how "everybody hates me because I love God". Just enjoy the fact that you are at peace in your beliefs and quit projecting it onto me as if it will make any bit of difference in my life at all. The people I respect the most who are religious are the ones who never say a thing about it at all. I don't tell people about my personal desire to whipe till its white, so don't tell me what you do on Sunday.<br /><br />Oh, and by the way, every anti-abortion demonstration I have seen features maniacal crazed individuals yelling and throwing things at the people who are going into those abortion clinics. Docs are getting shot. Clinics are getting burned down, so don't even spout your fantasy land version, the reality is very different. As a teen, I lived next to a medical center that provided abortion, and the protesters where out there every day. They had their signs, they had their rage. They yelled, they threw things, the cops came and arrested them. I made them go away one day by playing Charged GBH's City Baby Attacked By Rats, a punk song. I played it all day, and they could not handle it. Peaceful prayer my arse. Go pray at home if that is all it takes to make the evil abortionists go away. Just attention seeking zealots.<br /><br />See, for me, if I am wrong and there is in fact God, I'll be just fine. For those who believe and there is no God, they are screwed. Isn't that what this is really all about? The fear of the unknown? You do not need to be validated by me, just go and believe.<br /><br />Just remember, everything that is involved in religion is all the interpretation of information written by MAN. God didn't write anything, we did. So basically you have man made information ruling your life as fact. 6000 years from now someone could be interpreting a Stephen King novel as gospel. So just remember that when you tell me that you are superior because you believe in a man made interpretation of what may or may not exist.<br /><br />My respect for my friends who are religious is because of the way they live, not the fact that they are religious. I also know plenty of non-religious that live just as morally, and I respect them equally.<br /><br />But then why do I bother? I am wrong because what I am saying does not coincide with what you believe...I am willing to concede in the face of real proof, are you?<br /><br />EDIT: Everything I ever say I say with the full knowledge that nothing I say will change anyones belief system, ever. I just say it to burn time until the next time I go fishin'...
 

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If anyone here denies that there is not a concerted effort afoot to demean Chistianity in this society, to minimalize Christianity, to revile Christianity and to drive the influence of Christianity from this society, they are plain blind.<br /><br />It is an undeniable fact that in the last 15-20 years, people professing allegiance to the Liberal way are more and more becoming a group of the unchurched while those professing Conservative allegiance are more likely to be church going believers.<br /><br />It is also undeniable that the American Liberal movement is becoming more socialistic. Socialism and religion are like oil and water. They cannot exist is the same space. <br /><br />Socialism relies on the supposed primacy of man's mental prowess to control and direct society. Conservatism primarily accepts that man is not the highest authority, that direction and control of society comes from man's actions influenced by a higher authority.<br /><br />It is that allegience to a higher authority that stiffles the ascending power of Socialism in this country.<br /><br />Therefore, today's American Liberal movement is indeed trying to kill off Christianity. They, of course, cannot do away with it in one fell swoop, nor can they admit what they are trying to do. They have to come up with all kinds of reasons, like the supposed Constituional seperation of church and state to dupe the great middle miasma into thinking it is just an issue of fairness, tolerance, and equality.<br /><br />So in typical socialist fashion they are nibbling at the edges, taking bigger and bigger bites as time marches on.
 

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I,m with Jason on this one. As a Christian I see no need to flount my religeon in other peoples faces nor do I appreciate them doing the same in mine. Even many Christians believe that their particular version is the only true one and those not following their particular strain are destined for Hell. I respect others religeon as long as it is constructive and not harmful to others just as I have no problem with homosexals as long as they keep it to themselves and out of my face. Some important things should just be private.
 

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Boom, I am not convinced that libs are sitting in a dank festering cellar plotting the demise of organized religion. I just see this huge bullish push-push of two huge ideals. The libs want religion to stay where it should: a belief system to live by, not to rule a country by. The reps want it to govern every action of the lives of all in this country. <br /><br />This will sound bad, but I look at public religion like public smoking. You wanna smoke, do it at home or designated smoking areas. You wanna pray, do it at home or designated praying areas. Now, MORALITY, which has nothing to do with religion, is something all society should strive for. What should be happening is we as individuals should be able to choose how we live by our morals without reprisal by those who feel the Good Book is the only way to be moral. <br /><br />I know we can't solve it on Dockside Chat, but it is a start. What it boils down to is the religious do not give any more respect to the non-religious than the non-religious gives to the religious. Its okay to not believe in God, those who believe should just be happy in their beliefs and basically mind their own business.
 

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Boom,<br /><br />
It is an undeniable fact that in the last 15-20 years, people professing allegiance to the Liberal way are more and more becoming a group of the unchurched while those professing Conservative allegiance are more likely to be church going believers.
I deny it because it is simply not true. You believe libs are unchurched because they feel no need to throw it in everybody's face as a way of saying, see, I am superior to you. I am assuming you attend church. This being a given, do you think that all of those with you on Sunday morning are republicans?<br /><br />I think that in many cases, people, at least those of the bad persuation use religion as a cover. Something to hide behind. I need not go into the Catholic church, right?<br /><br />I or anybody else can worship or pray without the need of announcing it to the world. I, my family, and the liberals here on this site are good people. At least this is my belief. And I for one do nothing because it is what I think God would want. I do what I do, because it is the right thing. I do have the ability to think for myself and I do not act in a certain way because I heard it in a Sunday sermon. If you truly need your Pastor, Priest or whomever to tell you how to behave, then I will say a prayer for you.
 

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Boom, I guess I am blind.<br /><br />I have no idea how socialism (an economic and political philosophy) have anything whatever to do with religion.<br /><br />It is of course true the communists (and specifically Marx) used to call religion the "opiate of the masses" but then that failed too.<br /><br />Government simply has no business, one way or another, in condemning or promoting religion. That's what most progressives believe.<br /><br />People are smart enough, or should be, to decide for themselves how they do or don't believe, and don't need the government's help.<br /><br />And anyone that is trying to force their belief system, whatever it is, on others is likely to face resistance from those that don't believe the same way. Marx felt it, and you should expect it as well.
 
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