Liberals against Christianity???

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It is not at all that liberals (whatever that is) are against Christians, or any other religion. They just think that religion is a personal, private thing, and don't think the government has any business in promoting any one belief over any other. They believe the citizens are smart enough, and ought to be able make that decision on their own free of interference. <br /><br />And I don't have any idea of the statistics, but if the ACLU has more cases against the Christians, could it be that the Christians pose the most affronts to the constitution??<br /><br />The ACLU will take on any cause that is an attack on the constitution, no matter who is involved.
 
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PW2,<br /><br />It was OK for 200+many years, all of a sudden, we're "enlightened". Come on, you're brighter than that.
 
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"And I don't have any idea of the statistics, but if the ACLU has more cases against the Christians, could it be that the Christians pose the most affronts to the constitution??"<br /><br /><br />I'm not sure that I can respond to that statement without either blowing an artery or laughing myself silly. No wonder I've been trying to stay out of politics lately. :rolleyes:
 
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Erik,<br /><br />I would, hopefully, hold you "brighter than that" also.<br /><br />Maybe not.<br /><br />I can be just as snarly and nasty as any liberal, yet, I choose most of the time, to hold my words and thoughts.<br /><br />NOT always.<br /><br />Watch whom you pick a fight with. Words to live by.
 
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BS PW!!!!!!! - it is a RECENT PHENOMENON! It didn't bother anyone for over 200 FREAKING years!!!!!!!<br /><br />It is a deliberate attack on the social underpinnings of the nation in order for them to remake it into what THEY want - a hedonistic, socialistic society where the philosopher kings make all the rules.<br /><br />
could it be that the Christians pose the most affronts to the constitution
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That's the most ridiculous thing you've written in a long time PW and borders on bigotry. Who do you think wrote the freaking document and defended it for over 200 years with their blood? The atheists? The pacifists? The anarchists? The socialists?<br /><br /><br />
The ACLU will take on any cause that is an attack on the constitution, no matter who is involved.
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Don't know too much about the modern ACLU do you PW. I guess they don't get much coverage in the Canadian press. They are too busy defending the North American Man-Boy Love Association, filing suits over Christmas trees and religious symbols in town seals and trying to destroy the Boy Scouts to take on any other cases.
 
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DJ, I was responding directly to PW2. Sorry if my way of posting made you think that I was responding to you. Allright?
 
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Erik,<br /><br />I must have misread. :( Isn't the first, won't be the last.<br /><br />Sorry, If I offended.
 
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Anybody who is used to me knows I am not religious, but I would hate to see religion disappear. Religion does a lot of good for a lot of people, and for some people it can do a lot of bad (or I should say a lot of bad is done in its name). Most of the important people in my life are religious, and I respect them and their religion. Sometimes I have to service church buildings, and I always do the cross thing across my front when entering out of respect for what the building stands for (my family is Catholic, maybe that is where it came from). I do not know if there is or is not a God, I am a mere puny human who will find that out when it is time for me to know. I am open to the concept of God because nothing has been shown to me that proves there is or is not a God.<br /><br />The main problem with what is happening right now, is that religion is being forced down everyones throat, mostly due to the attempts to stiffle it. The more people want it gone, the more the devout will fight it. The only place I draw the line is our current state of affairs where the politicians are taking advantage of this problem to gain votes, to win. It is really sad, and it worries me that so many people would support a politician who is so obviously playing the religion card to gain favor.<br /><br />What is the solution? I think if people quit whining about religion regardless of what side you are on, polititions do not use it at all for selfish gain, we could get back to the business of just trying to be good neighbors. Right now, and you can take this any way you want, the words Liberal and Conservative are spat from the mouths of some with the same maliciousness as the N word, faggot, dyke, you name it. Prejudice is prejudice no matter what you try to cloak it in, and those who are guilty of it are shameful examples of society, and do not deserve the respect they seem to think they are entitled to.
 
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No offense taken, DJ. I'm on your side and along side with many others here! ;)
 
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JasonJ wrote:<br /><br />
The main problem with what is happening right now, is that religion is being forced down everyones throat, mostly due to the attempts to stiffle it. The more people want it gone, the more the devout will fight it.
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Sorry Jason, you got it EXACTLY BACKWARDS. NOBODY is forcing anything down anyones throat, we, Christians are only trying to hold on to what has been staring you in the face (you chose to ignore it-until now) your whole life. It's been there since this county's founding. Denying it is lying to yourself and ignoring FACT. No forcing, just steady holding on.<br /><br />Just because some people decided, with media help, they didn't like it doesn't change the facts.<br /><br />You choose your own way, but don't spout innacuracies about what you choose to believe, or disbelieve.
 
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PW2 <br />
And I don't have any idea of the statistics, but if the ACLU has more cases against the Christians, could it be that the Christians pose the most affronts to the constitution??<br /><br />The ACLU will take on any cause that is an attack on the constitution, no matter who is involved.
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Interesting points of view<br />On both points:<br />From what I see of the ACLU they will defend anything with Anti American Values or Anti Christian.<br /><br />Ive never dealt with them myself. Im only going on what I see them defend.<br />I dont see them as defending our constitution, but rather a political group with a agenda.<br /><br />Now I will admit that when "Christians" are gathered in a group or mob they can be pretty scarey! ;) <br />Individually I get along with most of them though.<br />However when approached by two or more of them I quietly take the safety off my 45 ACP (just in case) :D :D <br /><br />Me thinks the ACLU is scared of them Christians and thats why they attack them.
 
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Wow, religion.<br />There is nothing wrong with it,actually I consider myself a religious liberal democrat.Yes it does exist.Religion teaches humanitarian values.<br />Organized religion is in the hands of organizers who usually have their agenda.Often it is only fleecing the church members, but it also becomes more and more of a political agenda and that stinks.<br />Faith is about humanitarian values.Organized Christian religion in the USA is often about shoving its opinions down other peoples throats. Please believe what you want, but don't you dare tell me that,in spite of what it says in the constitution,it is the only right way to go and stay out of politics.<br />Christian values are on the whole great, Christian control throughout the ages has proven disastrous, because it is people who control religious groups that manipulate these groups and use them for their own good.Pat Robertson is a good example,only a few days ago he promoted assasination of foreign leaders to his flock.<br />To all you christians out there.Improve the world. Start with yourselves! And when you are quite finished improving yourselves,start with the rest of the world.For the meantime keep quiet because you might just be mistaken about a lot of things.
 
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Now I will admit that when "Christians" are gathered in a group or mob they can be pretty scarey! <br />
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Oh yeah, WE'RE REAL SCARY. Held across the street from an abortion clinic to pray in SILENCE.<br /><br />OH MY GOD, I'M so scared!!!!!!<br /><br />Maybe those people (abortionees) are afraid of themselves and what they are capable of?
 
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Labels, labels, labels. :mad: <br /><br />The biggest problem with labels is that too many people put a label on someone and think they know all about them.<br /><br />If you say such and such you must be a whatchamacallit. And all Whatchamacallits are like this and think that.<br /><br />Hogwash! :mad:
 
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For the meantime keep quiet because you might just be mistaken about a lot of things.
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Typical Liberal Democrat trying to silence people who do not agree with them. That's the open minded, diversity loving, freedom loving people I love!
 
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See what I mean?
 
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I dunno JB, human beings naturally categorize things in order to help make sense of the world. It's worked for millions of years. And, in case you missed it, the "label" was self placed:<br /><br />
I consider myself a religious liberal democrat
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Labels, labels, labels. <br /><br />The biggest problem with labels is that too many people put a label on someone and think they know all about them.<br /><br />If you say such and such you must be a whatchamacallit. And all Whatchamacallits are like this and think that.<br /><br />Hogwash! <br />
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Not sure how to take that one. But, I'm just a visitor here. I'll quit.
 
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Link,<br /><br />I will agree with you to this extent. The ACLU does tend to take on unpopular causes. That is because popular causes don't usually require defending.<br /><br />And the constitution, and the Bill of Rights, specifically protects lots of disagreeable people who can and do say lots of disagreeable things.<br /><br />It is a concept called "freedom"
 
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