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POINTER94

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Mark42<br /><br />Personal responsiblity? This line of reasoning does not work with demomcrats/socialists. All that is good is a government program, all that is bad is from a lack of a government program..<br /><br />Just follow the boucing $ sign.
 

mellowyellow

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I firmly believe in freedom and "liberty".<br />to me, GW tries to help people like me solve<br />the problems of today by empowering them.<br />JK/liberals always want to pass some new law<br />or start a new federal program to solve the<br />problem for us...MY prefers to be "self" reliant.<br /><br />LIBERTY:<br /><br />The condition of being free from restriction or control. <br /><br />The right and power to act, believe, or express oneself in a manner of one's own choosing. <br /><br />The condition of being physically and legally free from confinement, servitude, or forced labor. <br /> <br />Freedom from unjust or undue governmental control!!!!!!!!!!!! <br /><br />A right or immunity to engage in certain actions without control or interference.<br /><br />and of course :) <br />A period, usually short, during which a sailor is authorized to go ashore.
 

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Pointer94,<br /><br />You are right. Sometimes it is a frame of mind.<br /><br />Sometimes people just need to be shown the way. They need to be encouraged to make the change from just passively existing to aggressively living.<br /><br />One of my Spanish in-laws used to work "under the table" doing odd jobs, mostly construction. He told me he wanted a house like I have. I told him he had to stop working under the table, get a real job with benefits, room for advancement, etc.<br /><br />With some input from me, he found an apprentice level job at a school system as custodian. That job has an advancement plan. He had to take courses after work and get various licenses (like his firemen’s license). I told him to go for it. He now makes over 45k after just 4 years and owns his own new 4 bedroom tract home in PA. He pays his taxes, and now is wealthier than he was before. He now has medical and dental coverage for his family. He buys new cars. <br /><br />So after taking charge of his life, he is better off. He doesn't pay rent in an old row house in Jersey City. He doesn't drive 8yr old clunkers. His kids live in a nice neighborhood with trees in the back yard and go to a school that does not have bars on the doors and windows. For the first time in his life, he will be voting Republican because he now knows that "entitlements" were not getting him where he wanted to be.<br /><br />How much is that worth?<br /><br />My wife’s sister is a single mother (48). After seeing what brother in law has done, she has now gone back to school nights to get a better job than the clerk she is now. Something in the dental hygienist field. I am certain that her quality of life will improve noticeably in 4 to 5 years.<br /><br />Good things happen to people who make good things happen to them.
 

KaGee

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Originally posted by crab bait:<br /> <br />MEAN PEOPLE SUCK..
Just as I supposed... you can't give me a positive reason.<br />You are just MEAN spirited person with this conjured up hatred towards someone who has done nothing to deserve it. So, as you say...
 

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My centre is giving way, my right is in retreat; situation excellent. I shall attack.<br />- Marshall Ferdinand Foch (1851-1929), supreme commander of allied forces in 1918.<br /><br />Wouldn't it be a great world if every one was in<br />touch with there feminine side. No mean people ,<br />not even any cowboys. :rolleyes: <br />Vote Bush... Don't be a girly Man.
 

Boomyal

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Originally posted by KaGee:<br />
Originally posted by crab bait:<br /> <br />MEAN PEOPLE SUCK..
THAT term is one of my very favorite Liberal Terms. It really paints a clear picture of where the person, using it, is coming from. <br /><br />It is an infantile way to describe some one who tells the unvarnished truth or excercises some form of tough love. Having heard the truth, it would then require that some form of personal responsibility be assumed and acted on. The Liberals detest the truth, insomuch as it requires the expectation of personal responsibility.
 

KaGee

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Originally posted by snapperbait:<br /> Simply from an economic standpoint, Bush and/or the Republican control over congress must change to slow and stop this outragous deficit spending.... <br /><br />(example: clinton's plan to pay down the deficit and republican control congress held him to that plan)
Another misunderstanding... There never was a "surplus"... it was "projected".<br />The economic boom brought in higher than expected revenues covering any budget deficit, but government spending never decreased under Clinton and the national debt was never reduced. <br /><br />But then, as we have seen... whatever was good with Clinton... the same is bad if it concerns Bush. <br /><br />With all the handouts that JK is promising to every constituincy, the math just does not add up. So, if you believe that a JK presidency will control deficit spending, reduce the debt without raising taxes and reducing economic growth... well what can I say...<br />
There's a sucker born every minute<br />P.T. Barnum<br />
 

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Really strange how people will support the right to kill a baby that has never left the womb yet, but give Bush what for because he allowed MURDERERS / RAOPISTS and the like to be put to death so Society can be safer for us all.....just makes me wanna puke!!! I detest liberal ideals...hate them even...
 

lakelivin

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Originally posted by spratt:<br /> It scares me nearly to death to think what would have happened if John Kerry were to have been in office when those buildings were hit by planes. Literally scares me...
I'm in agreement with Bill OReilly's belief when he was asked what would have happened if Clinton or Gore had been in office when 9/11 occured. He said they would have done the same thing (this was with respect to Afganistan, prior to Iraq), just with alot more hand wringing. Suspect the same if it had been Kerry. Iraq is whole different question and debate...
 

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Originally posted by KaGee:<br /><br />Cant you give me just one positive reason to vote for Kerry, other than Bush has to go??<br />
do i need to?<br /><br />you just gave me all the reasons i need!<br /><br />i will surely get a ton of flack for this post...<br /><br />do what you must, and i will do what I must
 

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Where to begin. Just one point only re trickle down. If you dont own your own business , and even if you do, the money you get is based on trickle down. People that make it spend it. When they make more they spend more. It might make us jealous, but it is good for the economy to have rich people, thats why we are the strongest country in the world bar none.
 

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Originally posted by woodrat:<br /> Funny how you right wingers get all teary eyed over aborted fetuses, but the hundreds and thousands of actual fully deveoped humans that get killed in war, children included, seem to be of no consequence. And you would lecture others about hypocrisy and moral bankruptcy? Give me a break!
You mean like this?<br />We appologise for any inconvieniance, but No breaks are given anymore.<br />War is war.<br />War is hell.<br /><br />(Picture of the World Trade Center on fire has been deleted as requested by Mellowyellow and Phatmanmike. But the memories never will be deleted. This war started on September 1, 2001, and will continue as long as it takes to achieve victory.
 

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Jeezzus, 12Footer! Way to make a point!
 

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Originally posted by 12Footer:<br />
Originally posted by woodrat:<br /> Funny how you right wingers get all teary eyed over aborted fetuses, but the hundreds and thousands of actual fully deveoped humans that get killed in war, children included, seem to be of no consequence. And you would lecture others about hypocrisy and moral bankruptcy? Give me a break!
You mean like this?<br />We appologise for any inconvieniance, but No breaks are given anymore.<br />War is war.<br />War is hell.<br /><br /><br />
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we lost 3000 to Bin Laden, we've taken over 100,000 from Iraq, a place that didn't kill a single person of ours on 9/11. Which is worse?
 

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*yawn*. I have yet to see any intelligent support for Bush in this thread so far. Its just all the same high school level thinking. Its sort of depressing in a way. I have no problem with someone supporting the president, I supported him when he was elected, I thought he was the better candidate. I just hope that those who support him are supporting him for the right reasons, not for mundane fratboy trivial reasons. I have since seen how he has performed, and that performance has been left wanting. I do understand that there are those who will go to their grave locked in their belief system (just remember, the world is not flat, and we don't need to kill every woman we think is a witch). High school level one dimensional thinking. If Bush wins, I am fine with that. I can only hope and pray that he comes through on the promises that he has made. If he does that, then he has done his job. If he continues the current fumbling around like a 14 year old in the back of daddy's buick, then I do weep for our great country. I have the same expectations of Kerry. If he wins, he damn sure better keep his promises as well. I know neither one of them can do it all, but they can try. <br />I cannot emphasize this enough: Wednesday is not coming fast enough. Once this is done, I really really hope everyone just gets over themselves and gets back to their lives....
 

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Originally posted by JasonJ:<br /> I have the same expectations of Kerry. If he wins, he damn sure better keep his promises as well.
If you had been payin attention, Jason, you'd know darn well what to expect of John Kerry's promises. He's given an ample window on his performance over the last 35 years. And somehow I really doubt that THIS leopard is likely to change his spots.
 

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12 footer, <br /><br />I didn't see that you even MADE a point with the picture of the towers. It is the same old tired thing of dragging out 911 to justify everything in the neo-con agenda. And the best part is, 911 and Iraq are mostly unrelated. Iraq did not attack us on 911 and as far as anyone knows, no iraqi nationals were involved. Everyone has had three years now to try and make some connection and none has been made. Perfect that you would post a picture of the towers to justify the war in Iraq. W and **** would be very proud of you.<br /><br />re: abortion. I think that the whole right wing hang up about abortion has more to do with the idea that sex should have a serious cost to it than it has to do with repsect for life just because it is life. This culture kills and sponsors the killing of life of all kinds every day, without a peep of protest from the right wing. We killed off every indian we could lay our hands on just to get them out of the way. We kill innocents of all genders and ages every time we drop a bomb anywhere in the world, which we have been doing on a regular basis for many years. as just one example out of many, we illegally sponsored the contras in nicaraugra, a particularly bloodthirsty bunch reponsible for raping and killing peasants and nuns, because we did not approve of the method of governance that the people there chose for themselves. Right wingers were all over that one, praising ollie north for illegally helping this process along. The right wing has always been OK with killing and death, and they've always been pretty dang obsessed with other people's sexual habits. <br /><br />and once again, we DID sponsor and support saddam for years and years especially when he attacked his neighbor iran, and USED POISON GAS on them. We, the United States, were just jim dandy with that, and for all I know, probably gave him the gas. Yes, 1730V, it happened! And for that matter, as long as we are talking murder and rape here, let me just say two words: Abu Ghraib. We didn't need to sponsor that mess, we did it with our own hands, american flags sewn on the sleeves and everything.<br /><br />Oh and about Rush? Yeah sure, he copped to it....AFTER he was busted and it went public. Wow, that sure must have taken some real courage. What a pillar of old fashioned conservaitve values...The point about Rush is that he and his pill habit is a perfect example of hypocrisy at its finest. As far as I'm concerned, he should have been treated just like he advocated treating drug addicts who weren't partisan right-wingers: lock em up and throw away the key. After all, that's what all the dittoheads were in favor of when Rush said it...<br /><br />you guys seem to think that if you shout about third trimester abortion and wave around pictures of the two towers falling, that should trump everything else. Well, it doesn't. The world is bigger than that, whether you want it to be or not.
 

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Originally posted by POINTER94:<br />How many people do you think Saddam would have killed, raped and maimed through his standing policies, if we had not intervened?
We've killed over 100,000 Iraqi's in 18 months. Even the big, bad, scary Saddam would have trouble matching that.
 

POINTER94

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Not true, he was prolific. You folks are fond of stating...oh forget it.<br /><br />This self loathing BS makes me sick.
 

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Originally posted by mrbscott19:<br /> we lost 3000 to Bin Laden, we've taken over 100,000 from Iraq, a place that didn't kill a single person of ours on 9/11. Which is worse?
911 was not "worse", Scott, and you (and Mark)glaze-over the most important issue relating to death and death tolls.<br />It is war. War is war, and learn that. This war, Just like the last teo global wars, is being waged globally. Yuo have yet to see this war end. It will surely, IMHO, escallate to theaters around world. I fear we haven't seen anythying yet. 911 targets/ Pearl Harbor (Same from my perspective).<br /><br />An example of this from history (remeber, history has a habit of being an indicator of what to expect);<br />WWII, we did not pull-back after bearly winning the battle of Midway. We went on to island after island, and at the same time, fought the NAZIs.<br /><br />You and Mark seem to think that a smart bomb can distinguish between friendly and terrorist or something.<br />I don't want to continue a meaningless explanation of things you cannot grasp, like what war is. But in short, you need t6o support the effort. When you encourage the terrorists by posting what murdering basterdz we are, it kills more friendlys ,a number that is impossible to seperate from the number of body bags there would be otherwise. I know. I saw it happen in the 70's.<br />You will not go unanswered this time. We have too much to loose, and I can't face the loss of American soldiers for no purpose.<br />Our all-voluntary forces are, of course, going into harm's way, with the goal of removing "insurgient" influences in a new, soveriegn country. Germany and Japan were killing fields up to 4 years past liberation date (Germany in particular). This is not 12Footer making some baseless claim. This is a matter of historic record.<br />If the United Staes and any of it's 1940's allies had listened to those isolationist like you back then, we would be speaking German (not Japanese, given Hitler's objectives).<br />Why not encourage a US soldier, instead of Aljazeeeeeera?<br />BTW, you forgot to add the 1030 coalition deaths over there to your sick body count.
 
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