JB-Inflamatory Topics

[JB]

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Actually, SBN, a lot of angry or profane posts have disappeared.<br /><br />It is hard to delete posts that have good information as well as some flames because they add to the thread. Those I decide to leave in the thread and if I need to stop an argument after the first poster's question is answered, then I just lock it.<br /><br />I cannot go into a post and edit it, so I just have to decide if it is too bad to leave in.<br /><br />I hope this thread hasn't given some new members the idea that all we do here is squabble. A small number of discussions get hot, but even then they usually contain good information.

 

[gonfishn]

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Beaux-I must say you have a way with words which acts like a bandage over a festering wound that needs to be Sterilized before it causes more problems.<br /><br />Sometimes a few displaced words can be taken the wrong way. In the past when JB was Attacked I was one of the first ones to take a stand beside him. That still does not mean that I'm going to agree with him(just ask PF)all the time. Your Skill at Triage is a welcome addition to this board. Welcome......<br /><br />JB--After our initial response I read your expalnation and understand somewhat now where you are trying to go. Sometimes a certain word selection can trigger a response that may be made in the heat of the moment. In my life I have always practiced offense is the best defense.<br /><br />I hope that LOTW and Leach are still big enough for the both of us. I'd rather be tossing Lures with you than barbs....Peace.....Tonite I'm heading to Bugs Island to engage in another kind of confrontation which is more pleasant....

 

[Beaux]

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gonfishn-<br />thanks... I sometimes have to triage for a living in my profession. Good luck tonight....I myself am going after a few (specs) trout near deer island in Biloxi.... I have to do something to get me off this board for a little while! LOL

 

[Moose_Miller]

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JB, <br />Understood. No disrespect intended. I'll be one of the first that'll stick up for you if things get ugly... I like ugly! You all showed me what kind of a bunch you were when I returned from my "time-out", and I won't forget it. I thought for sure I was going to get run out of Dodge; but instead, I was welcomed! Go figure... heck, even Ol Sloopy is trying his darnedest, and he's got the most reasons not to. <br /><br /> But hey, admit it, some of us actually LIKE a pissing contest! I've probably gone over the line once or twice, but I've learned from that and will hence use more creative thinking and tact to get my point across (as I think I've shown this time around). Some folks on here crack me up with the way they word things. I've even "heard" that my writings have amused a couple folks here from time to time.<br /><br />I've never been to the "I/O or Inboard Engine Troubles & Questions", because I never have, nor ever plan on having an I/O. I've never been to "Project Boats and Backyard Boat Building", because you'd never get ME to ride in something I built to float. I've never been to "Diving", well, no one's been to "Diving" And "Sailing" - we won't open that thread again, will we raghauler? <br /><br /> Basically, this forum is split up nicely, and if someone doesn't find the info in "Nothing to do with boats" section useful or comedic or otherwise moderately amusing, STAY OUT OF IT... just like I stay out of the other sections previously mentioned. Nothing in those areas interest me, nor would I have anything usefull to add to them. <br /><br />Only person I haven't seen back here since my return is Silverking, and I suspect he's somewhere in Wisconsin by now, still looking for Nebraska... hope he brought his Carharts, it's cold outside!

 

[SpinnerBait_Nut]

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Something else Moose I have noticed. OLFISHNFART has not made any more comments. Maybe the mods got him.

 

[marcmccain]

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JB,<br /><br />You have done a great job of which I and countless others are the beneficiaries. Whenever someone like you has done a noteworthy job and takes criticism I am always reminded of one of my favorite quotes...<br /><br /> "It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly ... who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who have never known neither victory nor defeat". <br />- Teddy Roosevelt<br /><br />Rather than expounding with my two cents worth I'd like to post four short Proverbs on this thread:<br /><br />If you can't heal the wound, don't open it up --Danish<br /> <br />No man ever became wicked all at once --French<br /><br />If things are not as you wish, wish them as they are --Latin<br /> <br />He who brings is welcome --Chinese

 

[SpinnerBait_Nut]

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Well Warhorse, you said it all and nothing else needs said.<br />I'm done.

 

[DJ]

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All,<br /><br />First off, I do not want to stop anyone else from commenting here. Please feel free. I for one appreciate everyones opinions.<br /><br />I guess I really did throw one "over the wall" on this one. <br /><br />If nothing else, I think the thread reminded all of us to be on our P's and Q's when posting. I think we all respect each other and we realize that we should treat each other with said respect.<br /><br />I think you all will see a change in me. <br /><br />I came to the realization that this is the best board, for the subject matter, on the I-net. The good folks at I-boats went through, and still do, outlay alot of expense to keep this thing going. All they ask for is for us to look at their wares and possibly buy something. Let's all remember that. Thanks I-Boats!<br /><br />Looking forward to many future posts from all.<br /><br />JB,<br /><br />Thank you sir for taking on the monumental task of watching over the board. I for one appreciate you being out there.

 

[RICKRICK1]

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DITTO

 

[derwood]

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I don't have any problems with you mediaten JB.<br /><br />I hope this does'nt mean you wont be posten regular posts....Don't want ya getting burntout on us.<br /><br />I am glad to see that you have come up with a way to govern yourself as to what posts you will intervine upon.<br /><br />That would be the hard part for anybody that took the responceblity of mediator....Fair and unbias while also letting things pass that you don't agree with and takeing the wrath for doing your job....good and bad.<br /><br />I wont bust your chops for doing a job I would'nt want to do myself.<br /><br />Happy medeating.<br /><br />Derwood.

 

[snapperbait]

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First: Thank you to iboats for the forum... It is greatly appriciated... The information and opinions both good and bad that are posted here are priceless...<br /><br />Second: Thank you JB... Keep up the good work...<br /><br />Third: (on a lighter note I hope) I think I've figured out the "funk" we all seem to be in... It must be because the holidays are upon us... I know most people say they enjoy the Holidays but it seems the older I get the more I dread the Holiday season... So BAH-HUM-BUG... Anyone else feel that way, or am I just wierd?..<br /><br />Let's cancel the Holidays and just go fishin' instead...

 

[DJ]

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Hey Snapper,<br /><br />With ya there (fishing that is). If I EVER get done with this project boat (85% done) I'll go.<br /><br />You know, I bought this boat with the intention of selling her and buying a another project Whaler. But, she's growing on me.

 

[SCO]

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Peterfishbuster...nailed the freedom of speech issue. Warhorse...Great Roosevelt quote, why we respect JB. Djohns19...we're evolving. I'd add that we can't evolve without getting our noses bloodied now and then. MooseMiller...honorable mention.<br />I read the Yamaha thread after closing and think it took the brawl to get all the issues out. I learned something from that and the crap charge threads and can better avoid some of the dealer hot buttons. It takes JB style discretion and judgement to decide if or when to lock a thread IMHO and there will never be consensus from us. Congrats to all of us for another great thread.

 

[OLFISHNFART]

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No spinner nut bait, the "MODS" did not get me. Iam still around, just watching and waiting.

 

[Capt Ken]

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I'm going to be really surprised if this post stays here long but locking a thread and deleting posts are a horses of a different color. In the last couple of days, someone has been deleteing posts from Vinney and myself. I just got off the phone from Trent and posts that was here at 5:00, aren't here now. The posts that was deleted had nothing to do with anybody else on this board and appears to have been done just to get even. If you want this board to go downhill fast, then keep deleting posts and soon folks will be afraid to post their views and go elsewhere. If some of us have such thin skin and can't take alittle jabing once in awhile, then they don't need that delete button on their screen. If you want trained professionals to come on this site, expect some of the untrained toes to get stepped on when bad advise is given. I look at it this way, the number of posts at the bottom each person's post doesn't reflect knowledge.

 

[trollhole]

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Hey Capt nobody's toes get stepped on here! We all respect everybodies opinion period. If you feel your opinion is better or that you have more knowledge about the subject then state the fact that you are a boat mechanic and that you have such and such experience with the subject. But to tell someone who is trying to give some advise they are wrong whether it is or not it's not up to you to say. You are probably a great mechanic and I hope that if I ever have a problem you would be nice enough to help me out. And if I happen to try to help someone out and give bad advise that you would have the courtesy not to tell me how stupid or wrong my advise was.

 

[Capt Ken]

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I'm sorry if folks get offended easily around here but I would rather see a few bruised toes than see an engine damaged from misguided advise. As I look at the profile of some of the folks posting advise, I see alot of professions far from the marine field. Most folks are hobbiest in the marine field and don't have the want or desire to stay on top of the latest techniques and repair procedures. Many of them have been following the advise of Bubba that repairs boats when not painting houses and believe his word as they would the bible. To tell someone to disconnect something or bypass something is not always in the best interest of the person asking for advice. Is anyone on the site ready to step forward with their checkbook when their advise goes sour and the poor soul who asked for help trashes his engine. I don't believe ya'll want to go there. We ran into this on another site years ago and found that there is a degree of responsibility that goes with the job of giving advice and we all should except that. I don't know Vinney personally but believe him to be on the ball on alot of repairs. As for myself, I've been in the boating field for 32 years and have owned and operated my own shop for 21. I could probably post on every subject thats listed on this site, but if the answer given is OK, then why should I. When I post, I post tried and proven methods of repairs that will work when performed properly. If I believe the person posting doesn't have the ability to perform the repair, I will tell them so. As an administrator on another site, we never delete any posts without consulting with other administrators unless someone gets really obscene and for JB to delete Vinney and my posts is just adding to the problem. The posts JB deleted just referred to things we've seen customers do to their boats. In reality, the posts could have help other folks from making the same mistakes but JB has waved the mighty finger of fate and deleted the topic. Didja notice JB that Trent had also posted to that topic before you deleted it. You might want to apologize to Trent, he was not a happy camper about it this morning when I spoke to him.

 

[ob]

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This mentality needs to apply to everyone posting.Some dealers and mechanics are not exempt from giving bad advise either.My first boat and motor was a testimonial .I haven't been an outboard mechanic by trade ,however I'm no stranger to engines, pumps,speed limiting governors,ect..The best approach is to simply give advise to problems posted and not be smug and degrading to others based on whether they are outboard mechanics by trade or not.<br />I have seen several posts by individuals whose profiles were that of outboard technicians that were not accurate and could have been scrutinized.Troubleshooting ,sight unseen over the net is not by any means an exact science.<br />The best way people on this forum can gain respect from others should be based on the amount of helpful information that they can offer and should in no way be based on what they do for a living.

 

[Beaux]

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Captain Ken-<br />I don't think anyone wants you to leave the board. We all agree that the information concerning "MECHANICAL" issues from you displays a high level of knowledge and expertise. I imagine that everyone on this board has a job and has expertise in his/her own field. Its the personal insults/challenges/insinuations about knowledge or ability, that are placed in the middle of your replies that do not belong within this board. Let me give you an example of what I referring to: you remember the yamaha oil injection posting that started all this....(its still on Iboats if you want to refresh your memory):<br />First you make a great reply which differs from JB's suggestion as to how to check/understand the yamaha oil injection system. To me that was a fantastic post (helped CJG and everyone else). Then comes the trouble....your next post follows: "Yamaha unlike OMC and Mercury, injects their oil after the carb and doesn't mix it into the fuel. This means the carbs are jetted for a straight fuel only mixture. If you go mixing your oil with the fuel, it changes the weight of the fuel and you run the risk of running a cylinder lean. Now they do make the C model that doesn't have the injection, but the jets are different sizes. One day JB, you need to get out of the stone ages and at least update your thinking to the 90's. Folks use to remove the electronic ignitions that started coming standard on the cars in the 70's and changing them back to points due to not understanding the systems and was afraid of it leaving them stranded somewhere. Didn't sound like a bad idea back then, but now we know it was a crock." Now Capt...you can't tell me that last part displays professionalism. Tell me if this makes your point about the need for the yamaha system just as well.... " Yamaha unlike OMC and Mercury, injects their oil after the carb and doesn't mix it into the fuel. This means the carbs are jetted for a straight fuel only mixture. If you go mixing your oil with the fuel, it changes the weight of the fuel and you run the risk of running a cylinder lean. Now they do make the C model that doesn't have the injection, but the jets are different sizes. " <br /> Just as informative as before and remains professional..... see those were your words exactly ( I didn't try and speak for you ) just without the attack. CJB could definitely see that your idea was "dead on" and I am sure he listened to it as I did. The last two replies you made were downright vicious and didnt even have to do with yamaha's at all...just discussed your opinion of Jb and how knowledgeable and intolerant you are of other differing opinions. That is why it got locked up...JB didn't just do it on his own....read this post....just about everyone thought you were off the subject. I didn't want this to be read as an attack on you personally, its not, just letting you know how I interpreted your comments and obviously how Jb,others did as well. I am sorry if this comes off harsh..its not meant that way. Again, I think you are needed on this board and look forward to reading your suggestions and opinions......

 

[SCO]

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Capt Ken,<br />Just read about the oil injection on the Yamaha. Makes me want to get one for carb cleanliness unless I want the option to disconnect VRO with OMC/Mercury. Good stuff. Just hang around, be as arrogant as you want for now(IMHO) and keep posting. In time I imagine you will evolve like the rest of us, and might even come to respect some of the other opinions. This is not a sarcasm. I am not as worried as some of the others about damage to the board..it is probably tougher than we are comfortable testing. I'm not comfortable with over control of posting either. JB has to develop that perfect Spidey(I've got kids, have seen the movie Spiderman) sense to keep this thing on an even keel if indeed some kind of moderation is necessary. There is a measure of built in self moderation by all of us as evidenced by this thread.