JB-Inflamatory Topics

[JB]

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Hi, Gonfishn.<br /><br />This is not an easy job. It pays zilch. I agreed to do it anyway.<br /><br />I have not kept count, but in at least three cases I was requested to intervene by other members.<br /><br />In general, if a thread gets to the point that it is more about who's right and who's wrong or who's a stupid jackass than what helps the original poster I will kill it.<br /><br />If a member starts flaming another, regardless of the issue, it is dead.<br /><br />Those are the rules. If you can't live with them I will get you a refund.<br /><br />I hope that will make this a more useful forum for the majority of our members.<br /><br />I really appreciate the help and support of most of our members.

 

[Moose_Miller]

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I really wish I could change my user name before this post because most of you know that I'm "guilty as charged" for most of the offenses that have been listed, BUT:<br /><br />I had to look and see if iboats (or their webpage origin) moved to China or Russia or something. Surely they can't be infringing on free speech here in the United States, can they? Oh, that's right, no iboats employee was in on it. <br /><br />JB, <br />I'm sure you remember all the "ruckus" I was blamed for back in late August. Do you also remember Admin5 himself posting in a couple of those threads? One of which he even made a comment that was in SUPPORT of what I said. He never squashed a post, nor did he ban me, or even threaten to. I think it's great with you moving stuff out of the wrong areas and what not, but smashing a post because you don't agree with its content is a little much, in my opinion. The whole purpose this forum is here is for building iboats' customer base, so tell me this: What would chase away a perspective customer more? Having the FREEDOM to chose whether to read or not read a post, or having their opinion squashed by a volunteer moderator whose personal views and/or morals were diferent than theirs? Contrary to popular belief, I DO respect you JB, I just strongly disagree with these proceedings. <br /><br />In a nutshell: The USERS of this forum should be in charge of what they want to read, not ONE fellow user.<br /><br />On this board, I have never threatened anyone with any harm, physical, financial or otherwise. I have never made sexually explicit comments, I have never used profanity (including the "clever" folks who like to use $ and @ to bypass the filter). I have never broken any laws on here whatsoever. What I AM guilty of is having an opinion! PLEASE don't tell me what my opinion can be

 

[Moose_Miller]

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JB,<br /> You posted while I was writing...<br /><br />

Those are the rules. If you can't live with them I will get you a refund.

Clever! Does this include the money I've already spent with iboats, or any money I may or may not have planned to spend in the future?

 

[gonfishn]

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If you were referring to me on the refund JB then is was a poor choice of words with a person of your reguard.....Looks like a new chapter of what you can say and to who has been born....I Guess a Person of your status can throw cheap shots like that and get away with it.....

 

[Beaux]

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Differences of opinion are positive and build knowledge through diversifying the information that one has to base his final decision. Name calling/telling someone they are wrong/becoming defensive/pointing out others miscues are nonproductive and end up skewing the board into personal disagreements and bickering. It was I who asked JB to look in to the yamaha posting b/c it was becoming a grudge match between two differing opinions. I have my reasons, which I stated above for anyone to read. I believe in free speech, but i think the majority of I-boats members want this to be a place that we can suggest ideas w/o being attacked personally. This comes down to being adults and semi-professional about following rules that are put in place to keep things civil and efficient. Even the first ammendment has limits....that is why there is parliamentary procedure that is followed in the very body that created the constitution/bill of rights (congress).... We are better people than these threads display, and no i am not a JB groupie. I agree that his feathers must have been ruffled as a little emotion came out in that last post...we have all had our moments! no excuse, he is human too! (I think)

 

[JB]

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Hi, Moose.<br /><br />I certainly hope that my agreement or disagreement with a point of view will have no bearing on what I do or don't do here. You and I have had disagreements in the past without any censorship, though in retrospect we probably should have both had our butts kicked.<br /><br />Disagree as gentlemen. Attack ideas or points of view. No problem.<br /><br />Attack persons and be deleted. Turn a discussion into an insulting match and be deleted or frozen. It is that simple.<br /><br />My "refund" remark was out of line. I apologise.

 

[durk187]

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Everyone keeps whining about freedom they have to say whatever they want. You have no such freedom here, your mouth and breath are owned by iboats. They can edit, censor, and delete any post if they want to. Thank you Iboats & JB for letting me say my peace.<br /><br /> DC

 

[gonfishn]

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Howdy Beaux--The Moderator position was initially came about to transfer posts to areas where they belonged not to decide who or what gets threaded.<br /><br />I see your a new member. In the past we have settled our differences between ourselves and eventually everything works out and we still remain friends most of the time.<br /><br />This is an open forum to an extent. I agree that slamming someone is bad news(read past posts). But if those objections are without slamming someone then and are of your own convictions whats the problem? H... I'm 51 and have never voted. That my right. Will I be banned because I don't believe in either side.....

 

[Beaux]

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Hello gonfishn-<br />I completely agree with you. You are right about the need for differing opinions. I too, like to see different opinions on the questions. I think you will agree with me that these members who start naming others are really not interested in SIMPLY answering a question anymore but are actually in a defensive and sometimes aggressive mode. I dont like to communicate with those people and, if I can, let me respond to what the obvious next question would be to my last statement. ignore them right......Even if I ignored them, i still have to read the postings between the two warring factions just to get down to what the solution was so I can learn from it. The problem is in between the "shots" there is usually some very good info supporting the actual answer. So I read them.... I am not as experienced in life as you, but I know you and I can have a discussion w/o calling each other dumb a$$es and we might be completely opposites. or maybe too much alike!! LOL

 

[ODDD1]

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JB,Djohns, a thankyou for being part of this board....it is the best place I have found on the net, and I would surely miss it if it was gone...there are many, many different opinions about the simplest things we as boaters face everyday....and this is the 'flavor' that I find most appealing....agreed, name calling/personal attacks have no place here, and on occasion i have been guilty of baiting these people too....<br /> The knowledge to be gained here [for free!]has alot of value to me...<br /> I always thought a post [and reponses] should stand on their own merits...if you gotta flame somebody to make a point,maybe you belong on another board.<br /><br />PS...Moose, glad your back.

 

[Trent]

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Hey JB are you Bo...From another board?

 

[NOSLEEP]

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THE SIX BASIC MISTAKES OF MAN ARE:<br />1. The delusion that individual advancement is made by crushing others.<br />2. The tendency to worry about things that can not be changed or corrected.<br />3. Insisting that a thing is impossible because we cannot accomplish it.<br />4. Refusing to set aside trivial preferences.<br />5. Neglecting development and refinement of the mind, and not aquiring the habit of reading and study.<br />6. Attempting to compel other persons to belive as we do.<br /> <br />Cic'ero

 

[JB]

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Hi, Trent.<br />No Sir. I am JB, JBCornwell or profjb everywhere I am a member.

 

[Fishbusters]

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Okay everyone shut up and listen. I am the first one to say I will say what I think and how I think it. But arguing on a board meant to help people is not a good thing. In both recent cases that I saw in the Outboard Engine Troubles & Questions of closed topics they had strayed as far from the original topic about as far as you can go and still retain some hint of what was originally asked. Both were originally posted by someone to get help with an engine problem and not start a pissin and moaning contest. The arguing should go on here at this forum and not on the help boards. I agree with what JB has done so far which was end an out of control discussion on a board not meant for it. Replies on the boards asking for help should be just that help. Either you know something and post it or you keep quiet about it. I also feel if you don't agree with what someone said that is okay and you can post your suggestion but don't unless you see something being made worse attack anyone's ideas or person on those forums. If you "know" something will not work post what you feel will and let the person that asked for help decide what to try. Also do not take offense if someone disagrees with your suggestion because it helps no one to get upset because someone feels you are wrong. The object is to help the one who posed the question out and if you choose to do so post your thought and let others post thiers. <br />JB was not trying to censor anything more than the pissing match it had devolved to. All that was happening is the post kept being bumped up after it lost it's original reason for being. I for one am glad JB was there to stop it and would hope he did it agian. This said I do not want JB or anyone else interfering with a post here on nothing to do with boats because we all need the place to go relax and call each other an idiot if we feel like it. We need a place to be free to "attack" each other or vent our feelings (in a friendly way) without being censored otherwise more and more posts on the other boards will turn into these little pissin matches that were stopped. I know we will never fully agree on who should be allowed to make the decision to stop something but I bet we can all agree that the info boards are the last place to fight things out and if it does start there it should be stopped.

 

[Fishbusters]

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Hey Moose you miss the point of why JB locked the posts. He did not delete them but locked them and then ended up defending something even you agree should not go on. I recall that it was fought out and even you had to agree that the other boards were not the place to fight out your diffrences. They are the place to voice an opinion on the original poster's problem or perhaps any subsequent questions but not fight with others. All that ends up doing is confusing the issue and nothing gets fixed.<br />Someone has to have the power to enforce this unwritten rule and ADMIN-5 is not always around when it needs to be done. I think most of us agree that JB is about the most fair in judging posts for thier merit and can enforce what we decided should be the way it is w.o worring if we post something a little inflamitory where it belongs that it will get zapped.

 

[blifsey]

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Boy...this has turned to pure crap...I wrote several months ago I became an iBoat junkie because of the information I get here. All I'm seeing now is a bunch of whining. Who owns and operates this board? iBoats. How much are each of you that are complaining about censorship paying? Nothing. iBoats and the moderators they choose are the only ones here with any rights. If they want to lock a thread...tough sh*t - get over it. If this is what winter digresses to, see ya in spring - maybe.

 

[dmessy]

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I've noticed that there is alot less disagreement when the weather is good for boating/fishing. Seems when people have time on thier hands that the discussion can get heated.

 

[Scoop]

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What I want is the iBoats forum to stay around. The reason it is here is to bring customers to iBoats to drive business. At any point in time, this drives business away, then it will go away. It takes a lot of money to run this. I appreciate having a place I can come to get help with my boat, help other people with what I know and to have a good time. I like most everyone on the board and can put up with a lot. The one thing that will drive me and others away is flame posts. Everyone here can disagree, that is a way of life, but name calling creative swearing trying to get your point across will drive people away. It is possible to have a good discussion without this stuff. Refer to the gun rights posts. I have seen too many boards go away or get used by a select few delinquents. I would hate to see all the good this site does for boating, fishing and everything else go down the tubes. I think JB was right in doing what he did and I think he has used good judgment before when he has gently reminded people what this board is about. <br />As for "censorship", this is a privately owned board. It is not the library of congress. iBoats has a right to do whatever they want whenever they want. So far they done everything well. I am just thanklful that Yahoo hasn't bought it and messed it up.

 

[Mike NZ]

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I trust your judgment J.B. Well done.<br />First rule of leadership - it's all your fault.

 

[SpinnerBait_Nut]

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OK, I have a question on the closed topic thing.<br />Why instead of closing what might be a good topic/question, just deleting the "BAD" post/replys?<br />You know that maybe a new member comes in and looks and see's a subject that he would like to have a answer to or can give advice on, but can't because it is locked up.<br />That would be a turn off for sure.<br />Sure he could post the same or close to the same question, and then the moderator's might see it and lock it up before it can get out of hand so to speak, and where would that leave the new member that had just posted it.<br />I can tell you, he/she would be mad as they should be.<br />Don't lock/delete topic, just get rid of bad post to it.<br />Whoops! I better shut up again.