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hey oops...how bout reposting the last pics of your creation....some of our memories are getting a bit fuzzy

im currently working on three different projects.....the blue water i did last fall needs a rub rail...a 25 foot thundercraft tinny with a berkly jet has some water intrusion issues......and the big 3060 regal mini yacht.
that is a complete re fit.....every thing.....from upholstery to the motors and drives / genset airconditioning are being replaced.
im currently doing the gellcoat as well right now. (just waiting for the rain to stop so i can get on it this after noon).
(the gellcoat is on a sub contract and the re fit is based on time spent....so i gell on the weekends)

my camera is full of pics for you guys....but im at the old puter at work and dont want to down load all my stuff on to this dinosaur.....when i can....ill send photo buckets shares thuy the roof....lol

ok....back atter !
 

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just in time....there are roumors of a 38 foot fountain with twins coming up CHEEEEEP !

Then why don't you bid on it!! I was telling the wife that I should put in a low bid, thinking that it will sell for much more. But it has not moved, I would be sweating thinking that I bought a 38 foot project, would not even fit in the driveway.

Will keep an eye on it to see if it finds a new home in Kelowna.

Have a great day

Rob.
 

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hi rob !
at this time.......the owner of this shop is negotiating with a purchaser for the boat....he would build it on a contract basis.
i spent two hours talking to the people at fountain about the boat yesterday.
lol....the thing drinks 80 gallons an hour !
i have my fingers crossed because it allmost looks like a done deal.
the guy would pay around 120k for a 500k boat....totally rebuilt
oh yeah.....guess who gets to do all the work !!!! :eek:;)
but the shop owner says i can qoute very high prices to fix this one.
i think i can bang the gell/glass work in less than a month, and its gonna take at least that long to get the 525's rebuilt.
the other cool thing about doing this fountain is that the final owner knows about the boat and i can document all the re fit here on iboats, so be watching for another thread to start !
im hoping noklu (my brother brent) get here soon, so if the deal goes south we can team up.....but ....even after we rebuild it......finding a buyer for that kind of craft here in this area is few and far between.....more than likely it would have to be shipped to florida and put on consignment.

im just about done the big regal we talked about at the resturant rob. we are just wating for the twin bravo drives and transom plates to arrive....then its just install them and float the boat !
i still have to give the boat a final polish....but that is just before we sea test the boat or it will get dirty again.
this one has been slow only because of the wait for parts......everything from the circut boards to the gen set to the air conditioner.......but...the flat screen and the sterio are installed and working, so its a lot nicer to be working in side the boat !!! :D

looking forward to summer and beer on the water with ya.....
cheers
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Then why don't you bid on it!! I was telling the wife that I should put in a low bid, thinking that it will sell for much more. But it has not moved,

Have a great day

Rob.

hey...if the deal goes south and brent opts out......i have space right here......and i have the connections for everything to rebuild it CHEEP !
 

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So much for those old days of fixing and selling appliances, eh Ward? :D I can only assume by the upbeat nature of your recent posts that you are in a pretty good place right now....I'm glad to assume that :D Keep it up! Being so busy that you can't keep your followers on Iboats happy isn't a horrible thing, it just adds to the suspense! We all know that once you get the free moment to update us, we won't be disappointed.
 

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Ooops!, I have read this thread and am very impressed with your persistence and the quality of your workmanship. Thanks for all the valuable info that you and the other posters have shared with us.

You have inspired me to take on a similar project but I would like to get your opinion as to whether I should proceed. Please take a look at the attached photos and see what you think...I might even go into the business of stretching things since I have over 45 years experience in stretching the truth (LOL), working with fiberglass and all types of Mercury/Mercruiser as well as various other marine manufacturers power systems.

The boat is an '84 264 Chris-Craft Scorpion Aft Cabin Cruiser...adding 5' 8" would make it 32' not counting the pulpit and swim platform and possibly give me enough room for another state room...I figure the stretched F250 Super Duty Turbo Charged Diesel would look more appropriate as a tow vehicle for this behemoth!

I'm looking forward to seeing more photos of your boat when you are able to post them.

I hope this reply works...this is my first reply and I'm not sure if I'm doing it correctly!

Stroker Ace
 

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hi stroker...!

welcome to iboats ! :)

first off.....its your boat......you can do what ever you want with it. !....just as long as you have fun.

ok.....going from a 25-32 is a little different.....
at 25 feet the weight is about right for a single.
but over 30....it is possible you will need twins. as you will be around the 9500 lb mark, and getting on plane with even a bravo 3 will be tough.

so add 12 k to the cost of the extension. plus a new trailer and all the trimmings for a aft cabin.
next we need gas tanks and something to put in them.

mind you ......im doing a 3060 regal right now with twin 305's and bravo 3's that will hit 53 mph.
and i would love to have this as a weekend cruiser.
just some food for thought.....

but if you are in........we are :D


post more !
 

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break out the saw!!!!
 

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I think this boat is a photo-shop pic. With photo-shop Corona pics thrown in. Come on Opps photo-shop a finish we are dieing here. Hope you get back on her soon.
 

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i did not foam the boat.

this was due to my fear of the foam rotting the stringers
and it is not required in vessels over 25 feet, ir hime built/rebuilt boats.

however.......foam has some super qualities i love and cannot ignore.

i have since devised a way to foam a boat with out any worries of saturation......it costs a little more and takes a little longer....(5 hours longer).....but imho...it well worth it

if i step the hull this winter...
i will post detailed pics of how to do this and never ever have fear of water saturation.
this will allow you to use the anti crush benefits of the foam as well as the obvious safety benefits

oops!, we know you are working hard but we really would like to hear/see your secret method of installing foam so some of us can finish our projects with the comfort of having done it right. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks!
 

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I have to say, I'd like to hear the theory on the method as well...you can always back it up with pics and detailed explanations later....the thread has been getting a bit shy on pics lately anyway Oops! :p
 

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I just knew the photoshop comment would get a pic or two. Wow am I slipping.
 

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oops,

Sorry to post in your thread, but your PM box is full. You mentioned for me to contact you for information on how to use foam and help it drain. I am getting close to that stage, and I need you to pass on that little tidbit. Shoot me a PM if you can.
 

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oops!, we know you are working hard but we really would like to hear/see your secret method of installing foam so some of us can finish our projects with the comfort of having done it right. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks!

ok guys......its raining now. so i have a minit.......the big regal is just about done....just some tidy ups and i have to install the ECU s and start the motors for the first time...lol....if the motors go...the boat will head straight to the boat show......talk about a tight time line.

.......ok....theroy....how to foam a boat properly...

at this time i should also add that i actually like foam now.....i have seen its benifets first hand.....and i think it has many more benefits than draw backs....one of the best benifets is the anti crush of foam....if the hull takes an impact and a thru hull hole develops...the foam works as a patch...kinda like a kid with his finger in a hole in a dyke plugging the hole. in the mean time....you dont even know your hull has been penetrated.

after the stringers are in and you feel you are ready to foam...
add small plastic pvc or other pipes in the hull of the boat where ever you want drainage.

i suggest to add pvc back to front just under deck height.....then "vein" pvc from the top pipe angled down towards the stringer with another pvc running beside the stringer. all pvc pipes will run to the bilge.

the top pvc should come right up to an inspection hatch some where around the drivers foot area under the dash....the same for the other side.......what you are creating is a clear passage for water (or air) to get to all critical limber holes.

for ease or foaming....you can do this in sections......just make sure that all pvc pipes will match up to create proper channels of water/air flow.

after the piping is installed....
take shrink wrap and lay it over all pipes, up the sides, and leave enough shrink to enclose the top of the area....(you are basically making a shrink wrap bag)

(shrink wrap can be scrounged out of the dumpsters of the boat dealers in the spring by the tons...lol)

throw a "mock deck" on top of the stringers with plastic tapped to the under side so the expanding foam will not stick to the under side of the mock deck.

cut holes in the mock deck and foam the area fully while weight is on the deck (the wieght will stop the foam from expanding and blowing the top off your bag.....allow the foam to fully fill your shrink wrap bag right up to the top and expand out of the holes in the top.

after the foam has fully expanded and cured....wait a full hour.....
then take off the top deck. the plastic barrier will stay with the foam and allow the mock deck/"lid" to come up easy.

then with the edges of the bag....just seal the foam with the shrink....you can use shrink tape or tuck tape.....just totally seal the top so no water can get in to the foam.

remove the foam bag from the boat.......then remove the pvc piping. the pvc will leave clear and permanant impressions in the shrink wrap.
then replace the foam bag in the exact position it was.

you will now have passages next to all the crutial areas...and limber holes through out the boat from deck height to the bottom of the stringers. all the passages are connected so that air can flow freely through the system.

install the deck as per usual.....however take special caution not to screw thru the bag.....just screw into the stringers/frames.
add inspection covers/vents in the place where the pvc was placed under the drivers/passengers feet.

what this will give you is a clear air passage throught out your boat's hull, that air can circulate thru and dry out should any water get in there....everything drains to the bilge.....and you and even can remove the inspection covers during your trip home from the water to allow air to bass through your "channels" left by the pvc impressions to dry your hull.

this will give you all the advantages of foam....including the stregnth, the anti crush......it will NEVER get water logged.....and it will also let you dry your stringers in the area where it counts most.

thats it guys....
it will take a few more hours.....cost about 100 bux more if you actually pay for the shrink wrap and tape......but your boat will be safe for ever.


opinions?????......
lets have it.

cheers
oops
 

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Opinions,,,yeah. The shrink wrap is a great idea...I've use the pvc for drains before, but never thought of using shrink wrap.....Hats off to oops..
 

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Cool! Thanks for working us into your schedule. Good luck with those engines.
 

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Good idea oops. But the foam would not be adhered to the hull or stringers, right?
 

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Good idea oops. But the foam would not be adhered to the hull or stringers, right?

That is correct..the foam has no contact with the hull or stringers.

However..improper prep will result in a " no contact " with the structure of the hull ..

A complete resto done correctly will almost negate any reason for foaming at all ( you did it better then factory foopas basically ).

I dont really see a reason that the foam needs to be adhered at all. Its just flotation at that point..

Just me thinking here..

YD.
 

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That is correct..the foam has no contact with the hull or stringers.

However..improper prep will result in a " no contact " with the structure of the hull ..

A complete resto done correctly will almost negate any reason for foaming at all ( you did it better then factory foopas basically ).

I dont really see a reason that the foam needs to be adhered at all. Its just flotation at that point..

Just me thinking here..

YD.

Yep YD we are in 100% full agreement here. And just think how easy it'll come out should you ever have to repair something. (not like the restore would fail, more like some damage or something of that nature)
 

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yeah,,,,,the foam will not adhere to the strings or the hull, BUT......it will fill the void, and give you MOST of the benefets of foam without the possibilities of waterlogging.

we all know that foam is a PITA, but i have done several boats now that the foam was waterlogged because of actual holes in the hull. the owner did not know he had penetrated thru the hull.
The foam, acted like someone putting thier hand over the hole, blocking the hole. the foam got waterlogged, but he did not even know. after the removal of the foam, i found out why it was waterlogged.
He did not sink....he did not have his bilge pump scream "panic now". he was fine and his family was safe.

this system, will give you all the benefets of foam. especially if you let it expand to its fullest and completely fill the chamber/bag.
you could whack right thru the hull....and the bilge pump would just come on. you could make shore with out worry. on repair....just remove the bag.....fix the hole....and even possibly...put the same bag back in !

i have been using expanding foam lately, with shrink wrap to copy the shape of strakes and use it as a sanding board when doing a full glass/gellcoat of hulls.....works like a charm ! perfect shape.
 
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