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hmmm...........max hp law says im still under size for that hp.......if i cut it at the keel and add beam then mabe a little more freeboard.........if i made a splash well, then a swim grid that would angle up with the motor tilt......or "open" and also lock the drives into "trailer" posisition.........hmmmmm :D :D



he he he.


actually an ob conversion and hull streach was the easiest way to extend the hull. i seriously considered it......but im an i/o guy.

just cause they are quieter, and chicks dig i/o's more :D
 

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They sound better... same as the difference between a rich guy with a nasally whiny voice and his rich twin with a deep, sexy baritone :)

That said, my next boat will be twin outboards, because the baritone is overweight with BO and requires constant dental work.
 

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Maybe he could get just one of them for a Kicker???
 

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Hey Oops,
I hope to one day have the patience and perseverance you're showing - great job. Sea Rays have beautiful lines, and your
"enhancement" makes it look great.
I've been reading your posts and am catching up. I'm in the early stages of reflooring my 89 Celebrity, and ran across your comment
about putting CSM first and cloth after for Poly resin, but the opposite for epoxy - why? I'm planning on epoxy and wonder why the
different approach for the two types of resin.

"BTW... a friend had similar problem with water getting in vent, and I did some looking and found that there are vents made with some kind
of check valves to prevent water from getting in... your solution of taking the line towards the deck may be more effective than these, and
don't know how effective they are, but here's the links:
Built-in baffles to keep water out:
http://www.iboats.com/Attwood_90_Fu...15392624--**********.162338689--view_id.21382
Cover over inlet-nicer looking than above:
http://www.reddenmarine.com/site/new-detail.cfm?id=PKO506DP4CHR

Keep up the GREAT work!
JorgeE
 

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Hey Oops,
I hope to one day have the patience and perseverance you're showing - great job. Sea Rays have beautiful lines, and your
"enhancement" makes it look great.
I've been reading your posts and am catching up. I'm in the early stages of reflooring my 89 Celebrity, and ran across your comment
about putting CSM first and cloth after for Poly resin, but the opposite for epoxy - why? I'm planning on epoxy and wonder why the
different approach for the two types of resin.

"BTW... a friend had similar problem with water getting in vent, and I did some looking and found that there are vents made with some kind
of check valves to prevent water from getting in... your solution of taking the line towards the deck may be more effective than these, and
don't know how effective they are, but here's the links:
Built-in baffles to keep water out:
http://www.iboats.com/Attwood_90_Fu...15392624--**********.162338689--view_id.21382
Cover over inlet-nicer looking than above:
http://www.reddenmarine.com/site/new-detail.cfm?id=PKO506DP4CHR

Keep up the GREAT work!
JorgeE


thanks bud......post the link to your thread !

the reason for the csm first with poly is....(this is kind of techincal...so you might have to read it a few times in case i dont say it right)

poly resin by it self is very brittle......if a person was to use ...say woven first...there would be pockets of resin between the substraight and the cloth...these pockets would cause a resin rich layer between the two....the bond would be below manufacturers specs.

it would stick and hold just fine.....but if you took a pair of plyers and pulled it apart....the bond would fail.....(it would be easyer than it should).

the csm soakes up the resin between the substraight and the cloth ....it eliminates the resin rich layer between the two....a great bond is formed.
a proper bond done this way is as strong as steel.

with epoxy...
epoxy is also called .."the glue"...it bonds so tenaciously to what ever it touches...it does not need to soak up the resin rich layer between the two.
even tho i have not tested it...if you did use csm...it would be a super bond.
a bond so strong you would never ever need the stregnth it gave you....
in fact...in boat building...epoxy is far stronger than you will ever need..(this is just for the size of boats we are restoring...if you are building an off shore rocket at 40 feet with triple blown 505's in it and are gonna jump the thing...then yeah....epoxy......but for a 25 footer with a 454 in it.....poly is far stronger than will ever be needed....)...thats why your boat is made from polyester resin......in fact....its made from really cheap resin...poly is just that strong with proper glassing.

hope that helps bud.....

cheers
oops
 

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oops....
The other SRV190 thread we touched on the wood under the floor. I bounced back over here to check it out further.
It looks like there were originally three stringers running for to aft. Nothing laterally? Up toward the front under the dash how much height is there between the top of the stringer and the bottom of the floor?
I have a belly tank I'm contemplating installing. It's 8" high (26" wide, 4x" long) not counting the fittings. I'm thinking it would have to slide it all the way forward to get the fittings up under the dash out of the way (?).

What do you think?
Is there enough room?
 

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there are no lateral frames in the ray.....only frames that act as somthing to screw the deck down to at 4 foot centers.

the center stringer runs all the way forward......the v in the hull is quite deep.....if i remember correctly....there is a 16 inch depth at the bow....

but because of the v i think the farthest forward you could get would be at just under where the cap opens....basically beside the driver.

the porblem is, that is where the bow takes lots of pounding....so you would still need a stringer of some sort.

the depth in that area is 12 ins to amid ships at 7 ins....(if i remember correctly)

if you were to cut the center stringer down you could probably do it with out too much trouble.

if you did that.....you could cut a hole in the deck up front add a hatch and make that anchor stowage you wanted.
 

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Hey Oops,
I'd like to add my $0.02 worth to some diesel engine items being discussed...
This comes from having owned a 6.2L diesel for years, and from being in the alternators industry.
The explosion potential is not there for a diesel as in a gas engine, so while I don't know for smaller boats (sorry but your beautiful Sea Ray is still a smaller boat when it comes to diesels), I do know that for larger boats (ie boats running a Cummins ISL or ISM engines) they do not use marine alternators, they use standard heavy duty (meaning automotive/industrial) alternators, with no special explosion protection.
Diesel fuel does not burn like gasoline. You can basically drop a match into diesel and it will extinguish the match (personal experimet with leftgover fuel from fuel filter change, of course done under tightly controlled conditions on my driveway under supervision of an adult). You put a rag (wick) in the fuel, and it will burn like an oil lamp, because that is what you then have.
An additional plus for you (slow cruising with Mrs Oops) is that diesels are especially stingy at low speeds because they run extremely lean, and they don't waste a lot of energy sucking air through an almost closed throttle. I wired a switch to allow our truck to idle without the key when we ran errands (keep the truck nice a warm in the winter), I'm not sure how much fuel was used during these periods of idling, but I never noticed it in mileage difference. We sold the truck with nearly 200,000 miles and it ran like it was new - 6.2L is usually good for 200-300,000+ miles with care. Adding a turbo to the 6.2L brings HP to low/mid 200's, with mid-range torque like a big block, with which it is similar in weight. Only issue is the 6.2L/6.5L is an older indirect injection diesel, and they are much noisier than a gas engine. On the good side, the diesel clatter is mostly high frequency noise that should be able to be controlled by insulation in engine compartment.
The Duramax may be heavier, but they are quiet, almost as quiet as a gas engine. They are also much more powerful. Durability is as good as the 6.2/6.5L engines. The duramax is essentially an Isuzu engine, and they have been making good diesels for a long time, and know what they are doing. Keep in mind that the Duramax is used in medium-duty trucks, not just in pick-ups. The Cummins engine is an excellent one, but it is heavier than the Duramax, and noisier, but it would likely last the life of the boat.
As far as drive ratio, you would have to keep it low since diesels max RPM is much lower than gas engines. 6.2/6.5L max is (I think) in the 3400 RPM, the Cummins 6 cyl is (also I think) in the 2800-3000 RPM range, but both types have so much torque that they would spin the prop just fine with a lower drive ratio.
Diesel would seem to have some advantages with your intended use, and a few disadvantages - as you've said, boats are all about compromises (or somethign like that).
Take care - I hope you get the shop settled soon (if not already).
JorgeE
 

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thanks for that post.....ya know its funny........you get so tied up over "marine"....you forget simple things like diesil not being explosive like gas........

does any one know if there is a cam difference between marine diesil and regular truck diesel?
 

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Cummins uses a different cam as well as slightly lower compression, different injectors and some other minor things. Cummins is the only diesel I'd recomend that comes from a truck. I thought about putting a 5.9 in a Luhrs, but its pretty heavy for your boat.(around 1200 lbs) The 4bts can be pumped up to a reliable 300 horspower with 550-600 lb/ft of torque running in the 2800- 3000 rpm range. Still probably not the best choice for your boat.

Another "out of the box" option is a mazda rotory engine. Theres a guy around here running a pair in a 26 Bertram and likes them. I havn't done any research on them, just bringing it up. I think this boat is going to be cool no matter what powers it.
 

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Hello Oops!

Have not had much time to spend here lately, honey do list is keeping me away. But I do like to check in to see how things are progressing. Noticed this slipped onto the second page so I had to give it a BumP! Diesels rock, but I am not sure that I would use them in a boat like yours. You can be a real greeny and run biodiesel??? I think a gas engine is your best choice for this application.

How is you search for a shop coming? Need some updates, please.

Take care and have a great day,

Rob.
 

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rob !.......... we missed ya !

a lot has gone on at i boats this past week ot two. :(

hows the quads? im getting ready to fire up the sleds pretty quick.

the shop hunting is going slow......every one wants huge dollars for the space right now cause they are hurting so bad.

but there is one deal that is starting to look good......its right behind my store ! i cant get hold of the owner right now she is away for a bit.

good to hear from ya
 

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oops
I am going through major withdraw here no pics no progress for what week week and a half now great discussions on motors but hey man lets see some pics. How did the shop hunting go? I know it is a long ways out but have you made any dissions on flooring weather to go carpet or just gelcoat or mybe something like that nuteak? have you gelcoated the top? Sorry for so many questions this one thread has tought me so much and got me fired up to do my boat yet every time i go to where it is stored I usually sit and stare and get nothing done I wanted to ask you did your old floor have a access hole for the tank or a whole panel mine has a whole panel and I think it is someones modification your thoughts?
 

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No shop, No progress.
 

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what no klu said is correct.....i live in canada. that means cold temps. i need a 30 foot long shop...(the boat is 25 feet....and 6 feet wide...(beam))....that means 12x30 shop.....thats a big space at 14 a foot plus triple net......current price is 12-30 a foot for whse or storage a foot.

what the real deal is........its that the econemy is bad. several of the marine mechanics have approched me to help with a one-stop-shop......a rent a bay. with pro's......we'are tring to get a shop that will have enough space to work full motors and drives.....and two bays for stringer hull jobs........including paint and gellcoatg........so far there is five of us......two key guys and 3 qualified sub contract workers.....kinda like a co-op for a group of pros with me leading the hull/stringer/transom area.

if it works out....that we can get a shop in the price range we need.....
my boat will take one bay and it will be dedicated.....we are also looking for a uph person.........kind a full meal deal in boats, with pros known in the area.......several boat mfg's have closed in the area......we can get the guys cheap....and give us a cut of their gross for booking the jobs under the main name.


the trick is to make every one happy .......and put togeather a full service boat shop.

thats a big trick.............but i know a magician !
btw.....the shop we are looking at is right behind my store

cheers
oops
 

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Great Idea Buddie !!! I like it !!!! would you have enough traffic in your town for it ???????? Man open a super IBoat Shop !!!!!! lol John
 

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Oops - just out of curiosity -- you mention "my store" in here a lot. What type of store do you work at? Do you own it? Just kinda wondering what it is that you do for a living...
 

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Ditto on the pre-planning and paperwork. Ideally, don't even have one of the "partners" make the day to day decisions... hire a manager for the business, or give that responsibility to the front desk person.

Decisions by committee work to a point, but the decisions that really matter gum up the works. You'll be happier if someone without bias makes the hard choices. On the other hand, if someone is an unequal partner, like they're fronting the cash for the shop rental, then most business folks will recognize their greater investment and their right to make certain decisions.

But assuming the business setup works out well for you, fantastic idea! With shops closing all over the industry, there's a good opportunity for anyone who does quality work and can stay in business. I think you'll find the hardest part of the whole thing to be inventory, be it parts or boat accessories. New businesses are always cash flow limited, and boat parts cost a lot to keep on the shelf..

Okay, enough advice. Get a shop so we can see more of your boat! :) :)

Erik
 

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Oops - just out of curiosity -- you mention "my store" in here a lot. What type of store do you work at? Do you own it? Just kinda wondering what it is that you do for a living...

i own a new and used furniture and appliance store.

we specialise in matresses from the major dept stores.......scuffs, floor models.....stuff like that......for example, a new sterns and foster that is retailing for around $2500-$3000 in a dept store.....is 750 in my store.
it keeps me hopping......but things are really slow right now.
 

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thanks for your input guys.........i know partnerships are a real tough thing. ive watched them crumble all my life.....i am convinced that a dictatorship is the only way to go in business.

there are a lot of things to iron out.....but with the times being as tough as they are......and all our boat mech's getting laid off......(the really good ones too) every bodys in the same boat...(pun intended)....a co-op kinda thing is a good idea....we just need to get a few more ducks lined up.
 
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