HUGE PROJECT!! 30' Scarab Sport overhual

[jserb]

Re: HUGE PROJECT!! 30' Scarab Sport overhual

So what your all looking at is all those little stress cracks in the hull have been V notched out and drilled out at the ends. To someone who dosent know the history of this boat, all these stress cracks may look like there is some serious structural issues with this mold, however knowing that when I bought the boat the guy before me had ripped it apart and let it sit in 2 pieces for about 2 years, then half hazzerdly put it back together just before I bought it, then I took it apart and flipped it and then squeezed them back together?.bla blab la bla, as you can see this shell has been push around quite a bit and needless to say im confident most of these cracks came from all this movement.
So I knotched them useing a grinder and then drilled the ends of them, then came back with ?easy glass? a bondo like material for boats, and now currently I am coming back with a ?glazing putty? to fill in all the high and low spots along with the fine scratches the previous sanding left behind.
Progress has been slow to say the least?.it was -15 here the last week and I wasn?t going to go heat up the garage and FIGHT the cold so I pretty much lost a week here. However what did go quite well was my Turkey Baster Trick. After putting the new wood core in the floor and flipping it and putting it back together, I noticed in 2 spot the darn floor delaminated. I coundt figure out why at first but then I remembered I used PL 5200 and resin to stick the two pieces of material together, and it was two areas where the 5200 actually created a small ?air? void and thus had a little ?flex? in the floor in these two areas. So I drilled a hole in the floor and took a turkey baster and filled it with resin and the void and set about 200 lbs of weights on it?.and boy its nice and solid now!

 

[jonesg]

Re: HUGE PROJECT!! 30' Scarab Sport overhual

Engines look sweet,
it don't matter what it ends up costing you, its your money.
Thats gonna a heck of a ride.

 

[Benny1963]

Re: HUGE PROJECT!! 30' Scarab Sport overhual

never give up man ,good job .
i built a stroker for my vega bout 10,000,
in it new art car converter nitrous model.left on trans break lost fuel pressure and boom .pushed it on trailer and built another one ,took it to hattisberg to run it launched on break 2oo hp shot took out starting tree, totaled left side of car .never give up,looking for vega rolling chasis

 

[jserb]

Re: HUGE PROJECT!! 30' Scarab Sport overhual

thanks guys!!

 

[Incorrigible]

Re: HUGE PROJECT!! 30' Scarab Sport overhual

Where can I find a copy of the owners manual for that boat? I have the boat, not the manual...

 

[triumphrick]

Re: HUGE PROJECT!! 30' Scarab Sport overhual

Hey, man, I don't see any red on that stoplight sittin in your garage...I say go with it and finish this baby up. You know all that you have done to this boat with some of the best advice available on boat forums. You know right now how proud you're gonna feel the first time those motors are fired and run on the water and this beautiful 30' scarab sport starts to fly!!
So, shun all the naysayers and what ever you spend, you spend. So what? Momma probably won't let you mortgage the house to do it, so it's money you would be spending anyway.
I look back to your original post on August 16 and I see a he!! of a lot accomplished. Give yourself some credit for all you have done. Look forward to the spring and some better weather....GOOD JOB

 

[trayscool]

Re: HUGE PROJECT!! 30' Scarab Sport overhual

dont worry about the negative feedback, there is always someone jealous or with a "better idea". keep on working man its looking great. I have been carefully watching this since page 5 and I cannot wait to see it finished. I travel a lot for work and maybe someday I will be in your hood, Ill have to come by and beg for a ride on such a nice boat!

 

[jserb]

Re: HUGE PROJECT!! 30' Scarab Sport overhual

Well I have a few questions for you guys!
I need some stainless steel for my backing plates on my transom?.where do most of you guys get these steel, and how do you cut it? I just need them so when I bolt the bracket on it will distribute the load being applied on the transom. Also, I have been looking at this ?king starboard? stuff and man it looks like GREAT stuff but its WAYYYY expensive and I need a lot of it. Any other products that any of you could recommend that are similar to this plastic?

Apparently Iboaters cant read my mind, so I guess so you all know what im thinking I have to type it out????hahahaha so heres the plan, PLEASE feel free to add suggestions or options! Currently the floor has two access hatches that you can see in the first photo. These are made of wood and I would like to change them to white plastic, those are pretty straight forward, butt then comes to these darn rod holders made out of teak which are integrated into the shape of the gunnels?.i want to eliminate these old things and replace them with nice new sleek white composite items?..however with King starboard id be paying a TON of money in material and I don?t even know how well the darn things would turn out??? Does anyone know of a good fair company who could replicate these? Or does anyone know how I COULD replicate these? I thought, hmm maybe just take em and put cloth over them and fiberglass them, but im pretty sure that?s not the best solution, also the simple face that if I added material to the wood it wouldn?t fit in the gunnels perfectly like it does now??. I need your help!!


Lastly back in the back(see last photo, you can see the cut out back by where my buddy is standing) I have this access area and I am planning on taking a piece of ? ply, coating it in resin SEVERAL times and finishing the edges with something (I don?t know yet but ill think of something) so that it looks professional and then putting my two subs in it for my stereo, then put hings on it and it would duplicate as an access hatch and a subwoofer holder. im just bouncing this idea off of all of you to see if you think their might be some issues with doing this that im not aware of. I would like the ?finish? to look professional so do you think coating it in several layers of resin then sanding it would give me a smooth look.? Your input please?.

 

[jserb]

Re: HUGE PROJECT!! 30' Scarab Sport overhual

Here's my schedule..

 

[projecthog]

Re: HUGE PROJECT!! 30' Scarab Sport overhual

Dreaming is cool, and most of us here have done that, and paid our price for it.
That's why there is so much negative (to your quest) advice for you.

Being "gung ho" is cool too, but realization down the road, that maybe you could have done better in a different situation and could have spend that same money that sits in the driveway getting rained on better, will NOT be cool.

If your goal is to build it and water will come, then it changes the parameters for the project in a more positive direction. More negative towards the budget.

If your goal is to build it and maybe sell it after you have enjoyed it, you may get lucky and old, emphasis on the lucky because you will be old, and break even. (not likely to happen, but hey...you never know.)

If you are buying it because there is some kind of strange force willing you to do it to satisfy a dream, then you already are or are getting closer to the truth of not giving a hoot and come what may, I'll build the sucker anyhow!

So, now you have arrived at a spot where you have to carefully maintain your stubborn as hell attitude (like some do here, who? me? go on!) and do it as best you can by planning, more planning, and some more planning with a step towards acknowledgement of entrapment and/or failure to operate with all your senses.

You arrive at the actual buying stage and vibrate through that, still holding on to your dead serious attitude about your plan, and remembering for the last few seconds the words that were spoken here from your potential friends/acomplices and you lay your money down!

The crowd awes and cheers!!!!!

NOW YOU DONE IT!

The initial bribe was paid, and you're hooked! Welcome to Iboats, you will never leave here! Don't be nervous, it'll all work out.

From here on in it depends solely on your capacity for thrifting, wallet unfolding, peacetalking the wife and the bank, and excersising other interpersonal skills, as to how far you are going to get.

From this point you have become a true Iboater in the sense of the word, and have arrived at where some of us still are or maybe even farther.

I wish you good luck and hope sincerely that you can and will do it, as the rewards for persistence can be life long and satisfying.
Just remember that the babes will get older too.

Now I want to see pics of the cold ...er...cool ol'girl that hooked you.
PH.

 

[Mark42]

Re: HUGE PROJECT!! 30' Scarab Sport overhual

I noticed that with some center console rebuilds the owners put a 3 or 4" pvc pipe under the deck from the console to the transom so that steering cables, control cables, wires, etc can be run. Did you have to do that or was there already a channel that is used for that?

 

[jserb]

Re: HUGE PROJECT!! 30' Scarab Sport overhual

Mark, no as of right now i have not ran my PVC conduit. I am going to run it OVER the top of the gas tank so its easy access if i ever need to do a repair.

I have attached some photos of today after i finished my work. I folded up all the tables, and brought the cars back in the garage. THese are photos from the doorway to the garage to show you how tight of a squeeze it is to bring the cars in everyday. It works out quite well though, little stops for the tirers allow us to pull in and out without worriin gabout hitting anything. I also included a photo of the two moidel T's i has a 1912 and 1921. As of right now they are piled with junk as you can see, however one day i will get around to them. (got a bigger fish to fry!). I included a photo of the temp in the garage. I had the heater goin and after i cleaned up i opend the garage and the temp went down almost 20 degrees in 10 mins...just go to show you that my garage holds the heat pretty well when im running the heater... 4 cars and a 30 ft scarab.....its tightttt...
Back to my previous questions i need your help with!!

The floor has two access hatches(see photos above). These are made of wood and I would like to change them to white plastic, those are pretty straight forward, butt then comes to these darn rod holders made out of teak which are integrated into the shape of the gunnels?.i want to eliminate these old things and replace them with nice new sleek white composite items?..however with King starboard id be paying a TON of money in material and I don?t even know how well the darn things would turn out??? Does anyone know of a good fair company who could replicate these? Or does anyone know how I COULD replicate these? I thought, hmm maybe just take em and put cloth over them and fiberglass them, but im pretty sure that?s not the best solution, also the simple face that if I added material to the wood it wouldn?t fit in the gunnels perfectly like it does now??. I need your help!!


Lastly back in the back(see last photo, you can see the cut out back by where my buddy is standing) I have this access area and I am planning on taking a piece of ? ply, coating it in resin SEVERAL times and finishing the edges with something (I don?t know yet but ill think of something) so that it looks professional and then putting my two subs in it for my stereo, then put hings on it and it would duplicate as an access hatch and a subwoofer holder. im just bouncing this idea off of all of you to see if you think their might be some issues with doing this that im not aware of. I would like the ?finish? to look professional so do you think coating it in several layers of resin then sanding it would give me a smooth look.? Your input please?.

 

[jserb]

Re: HUGE PROJECT!! 30' Scarab Sport overhual

PH....here you go...

 

[ondarvr]

Re: HUGE PROJECT!! 30' Scarab Sport overhual

There are rod holders that are similar made from plastic, nothing that will fit your set up though. Either learn to like teak, or buy the plastic and make them. To have them custom made would cost four or five times the amount of the plastic needed to do it yourself.

Smooth look on the wood? Yes, for a very short time, as the wood expands and contracts the resin will crack and begin to peel off, glass needs to be used for it to last.

 

[Mark42]

Re: HUGE PROJECT!! 30' Scarab Sport overhual

The rod holders....

Go to Lowes, buy some of the 1x6 or 2x6 white plastic outdoor trim boards. They are solid plastic, solid white. Use the old rod holder as a template and cut them out with a sabre saw.

Cheap, white, easy to work with, and holds up in the direct sun 24/7.

 

[zach103]

Re: HUGE PROJECT!! 30' Scarab Sport overhual

it looks great j. your moving along while everyone else is close to or at a stand still.. the engines look SWEEET.. im pretty jealous.. did that compass ever work?. i really hope it did

 

[ezmobee]

Re: HUGE PROJECT!! 30' Scarab Sport overhual

Go to Lowes, buy some of the 1x6 or 2x6 white plastic outdoor trim boards. They are solid plastic, solid white.

Not that you need me to but I can vouch for how nice these boards are to work with. I used it to make a dashboard in my boat. Worked fantastically.

 

[projecthog]

Re: HUGE PROJECT!! 30' Scarab Sport overhual

I have never seen such mayham here on i-boat's...in the 3 years i have been here ive never seen so many people have such opinionated...negative response's. But this is a pretty crazy restore for the budget... But that is the another story..You guy's might let the story unfold......kinda like Opps thread....crazy stuff but it is his dream..let it unfold...I will tell you this if successful..we all stand to gain...

Crazy budget yeahhh, but I have not seen energy in motion for a long time like he displays.

He's going to git'r done and have fun!!!

That transom shoulda stopped him cold, but he can only be positive, so mayhem or not, HE isn't giving up, I wish I could be there to help, even though I don't know that much about doin that kind of stuff.
In the meantime I am sitting here chewing my nails at every new post LOL.

PH.

 

[projecthog]

Re: HUGE PROJECT!! 30' Scarab Sport overhual

Time for a reality check.

You started out with an $8000 budget and thought you could finish the boat with it.

Many members give estimates much, much higher.

The cost to date is $15000, and it is not finished.

I think its time to re-evaluate how much time and money this boat is going to take to finish.

Your boat is a 1985 if I remember correctly, this Scarab Sport is a 1988 and listed as in "very good condition" for $17,000 ready to go.

Now if you sell off everything you have, hull, trailer, motors and can come up with $10,000. then for the $8000 you have allocated to paint, you can just go and buy a working boat.

Just something to think about.

Chuckle...I can see your reasoning and I certainly couldn't disagree with you, but this guy has never had so much fun in his life!
It is obvious that the projected budget projected itself out of orbit, but he is still in the game and he's gonna do it!

I think it is more about "gonna do it come hell or high water" then worrying about the extra bucks. That boat is going to be worth millions to him, and when it is done and fishing and he'd have the chance, he'd be all over Red Fisher and Scuttlebut Lodge with this refurb if that show was still alive! LOL
Besides, he's got a half a dozen new friends that are doing the best they can to assist!

I think he needs more cheers to keep him in the game!
PH.

 

[oops!]

Re: HUGE PROJECT!! 30' Scarab Sport overhual

we are all supporting jserb......

the only negitave here was a miscalculation on the cost...thats all.

when building a boat....if you miscalculate that....its uasually fatal to the project......we all tried to tell him. (and we were right...we all have been there and done that)

BUT>>>>he had the drive and dertimanation to get it done....good on you john. he threw the budget out the window....and went for it !

miscalculating is common in boat building.....i am personally lousy at calculating time ! (inside joke there)

but once jserb rolled up his sleeves......we all got behind him on what ever he asked.......and we still are......

again....each boat built on this forum....is a community effort....
when someone says i had to clean out the old foam.......each one of us here that has done that feels every scraper full of foam right along with the restorer !

i mean....just look at when he was doing the deck with those wooded squairs......lots of us were going to bed thinking of how the best way to do that was !

good for you john....you still got a little ways to go....but your getting there !
and come this spring.......its boating time !

keep atter bud
ward