Costa Concordia

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This is going to be longer than a hockey thread !!!!

Some great reading though

Well.... since this a boating forum it should be.

Since we're all boater's and we all have screwed up, it's definately interesting watching one of the biggest boating screwup's ever.

Except of course for those that died and are missing.

 

[oops!]

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What i want to know is did the water tight door failed? There are security build into these new mega ships. They tried to prevent accident like that of 'Titanic'. Those water tight door are control at the bridge with the Safety Captain and the Captain accessing the damage to the ship. If those doors are in operation then water intrusion can be contained to those bulkhead that are affected. Now we will never know what really happen as these reports will never be publish.

with a gash that big....i donno if any water tight doors would help...
but I KNOW 2 part pour in foam would have

 

[QC]

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Except of course for those that died and are missing.

Yeah, we should not stray to far from that . . .

 

[dlindeblad]

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For some strange reason people here in Naples are not talking much about this!

 

[aspeck]

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Capt. Schettino:" Here, hold my beer... Hey y'all, watch this!!!"

Naw, they are in Italy ... it would have been, "Here, hold my wine ... hey y'all, watch this!!!!!"

For some strange reason people here in Naples are not talking much about this!

Embarrassment, maybe??? :facepalm:

 

[RogersJetboat454]

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with a gash that big....i donno if any water tight doors would help...
but I KNOW 2 part pour in foam would have

The heck with the pour in foam!
Leaky cruise ship??? That'll cost you millions!!!! Flex seal is like a ship yard in a can!!!!
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All they need to do is pack the gash with screen doors, coat it all with flex seal, pump her out and she will be back to cruising in no time!!!!

 

[QC]

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Sort of a timeline emerging:

9:45 p.m. -- As the ship maneuvers near Tuscany's Giglio Island it collides with a rocky reef.

10:06 p.m. -- Authorities receive their first alarm about the developing disaster after a passenger calls relatives on shore who notify police.

10:14 p.m. -- The coast guard contacts the ship, but an officer on board reports a blackout that is under control.

10:26 p.m. -- Responding to the coast guard official who is beginning to doubt such reassurances, Capt. Francesco Schettino admits that the ship has been damaged but says all they need is a tugboat.

10:45 p.m. -- Schettino continues to deny major problems.

10:58 p.m. -- The captain is forced by the coast guard to call for evacuation of the ship.

Shortly after midnight -- The coast guard tries to contact the ship's command and no one answers.

12:34 a.m. -- Schettino answers from a lifeboat and tells the coast guard he sees “three or four people in the water.” Shortly after, Schettino is contacted by coast guard Capt. Gregorio De Falco, who in a now widely reported conversation demand -- unsuccessfully -- that the captain return to his vessel and help the remaining passengers to safety.

3:17 a.m. -- Schettino is taken into custody by police.

3:56 a.m. -- Rescue workers call for a helicopter to retrieve 50 people still aboard.

6:15 a.m. -- As dawn arrives, the scope of the tragedy becomes evident.

 

[RogersJetboat454]

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Sort of a timeline emerging:

9:45 p.m. -- As the ship maneuvers near Tuscany's Giglio Island it collides with a rocky reef.

10:06 p.m. -- Authorities receive their first alarm about the developing disaster after a passenger calls relatives on shore who notify police.

10:14 p.m. -- The coast guard contacts the ship, but an officer on board reports a blackout that is under control.

10:26 p.m. -- Responding to the coast guard official who is beginning to doubt such reassurances, Capt. Francesco Schettino admits that the ship has been damaged but says all they need is a tugboat.

10:45 p.m. -- Schettino continues to deny major problems.

10:58 p.m. -- The captain is forced by the coast guard to call for evacuation of the ship.

Shortly after midnight -- The coast guard tries to contact the ship's command and no one answers.

12:34 a.m. -- Schettino answers from a lifeboat and tells the coast guard he sees “three or four people in the water.” Shortly after, Schettino is contacted by coast guard Capt. Gregorio De Falco, who in a now widely reported conversation demand -- unsuccessfully -- that the captain return to his vessel and help the remaining passengers to safety.

3:17 a.m. -- Schettino is taken into custody by police.

3:56 a.m. -- Rescue workers call for a helicopter to retrieve 50 people still aboard.

6:15 a.m. -- As dawn arrives, the scope of the tragedy becomes evident.

This puts it all into perspective...
As far as I'm concerned, the captain would be tried for manslaughter if the trial took place in the states...
He had plenty of time to get all the people on life boats well before the thing went belly up....

 

[sasto]

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If I was that Captain, I would still be on the boat.........Mistakes can happen, but how one reacts to them is what we are made of.

 

[Philster]

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I listened to the coast guard guy yelling at Captain Coward again (it's a tapestry of words, quite frankly, weaved as only a ticked off Italian coast guardsman can weave it) and I just realized he told the captain to get the *&%$ on board you #$@%&!

 

[aspeck]

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Just learned the parent company of the owenr of Costa Concordia is Carnival Cruise Lines. Hmmm ... wonder how things will change at Carnival?

 

[aspeck]

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Agreed 1+

Are you saying that if you were the captain, sasto would still be on the boat?

 

[RogersJetboat454]

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Just learned the parent company of the owenr of Costa Concordia is Carnival Cruise Lines. Hmmm ... wonder how things will change at Carnival?

Don't know how much you can change things other than stern warnings to all the Captains who sail a Carnival owned ship;
-No hot dogging (going off a known course) to impress someone on an island.
-If the ship is involved in an incident YOU will stay on board until everybody is off, and rescue/recovery is present to assist with taking care of the ship.

This was all common knowledge anyway...
They had a renegade captain at the helm of this ship, and by the sounds of it, a corporate directive would change nothing about how this moron/coward would act. Only thing fitting would be to have fired him, but unfortunately they may have not had enough just cause to do so up until this incident.

I have been on 3 Carnival cruises (on ships very similar to the length and size of the Concordia), and my comments in the previous post about getting everybody on lifeboats was based on my experience. They would usually have a lifeboat drill on the second day of the cruise. On all 3 trips, they were able to get all the passengers and a good majority of the crew lined up to their respective life boat within 20 minutes while going at a leisurely pace. If this captain wasn't trying to be a hero or wasn't in denial, he could have had most of the people off this ship before things turned sour, and chances are good there would be far fewer causality's/missing.

 

[tpenfield]

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I have not been on Carnival in about 20+ years, but I just took a Royal Caribbean cruise and got back the day before the Concordia disaster.

We did the life boat thing before we left port . . .

Carnival Corp Stock (CCL) took a beating the day after the disaster, but has rebounded a bit. Overall, I would expect better adherance to safety procedures. I think there are still evacuation issues with the big ships these days if there is not much time and/or unfavorable conditions. I'm not sure if this incident will address that issue

 

[Don S]

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I think there are still evacuation issues with the big ships these days if there is not much time and/or unfavorable conditions.

I somehow think they need to take a closer look at navigation and captaining skills to prevent these kinds of accidents from happening, not evacuation plans. That reef has not moved in the last couple of years.

 

[aspeck]

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That reef has not moved in the last couple of years.

LOL! Love it! When I read that I thought of Neumans and his "anchors love water" quote for some reason!

 

[GA_Boater]

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That reef has not moved in the last couple of years.

I thought the yacht captain on NBC said it all "These waters have been charted since before the birth of Christ"

 

[fishrdan]

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Sort of a timeline emerging:

9:45 p.m. -- As the ship maneuvers near Tuscany's Giglio Island it collides with a rocky reef.

10:06 p.m. -- Authorities receive their first alarm about the developing disaster after a passenger calls relatives on shore who notify police.

10:14 p.m. -- The coast guard contacts the ship, but an officer on board reports a blackout that is under control.

10:26 p.m. -- Responding to the coast guard official who is beginning to doubt such reassurances, Capt. Francesco Schettino admits that the ship has been damaged but says all they need is a tugboat.

10:45 p.m. -- Schettino continues to deny major problems.

10:58 p.m. -- The captain is forced by the coast guard to call for evacuation of the ship.

Shortly after midnight -- The coast guard tries to contact the ship's command and no one answers.

12:34 a.m. -- Schettino answers from a lifeboat and tells the coast guard he sees “three or four people in the water.” Shortly after, Schettino is contacted by coast guard Capt. Gregorio De Falco, who in a now widely reported conversation demand -- unsuccessfully -- that the captain return to his vessel and help the remaining passengers to safety.

3:17 a.m. -- Schettino is taken into custody by police.

3:56 a.m. -- Rescue workers call for a helicopter to retrieve 50 people still aboard.

6:15 a.m. -- As dawn arrives, the scope of the tragedy becomes evident.

Forgot something there QC....

around 10:30pm -- Schettino orders dinner, for himself and another woman

Nothing goes better with a grounding than a rare filet, lobster, drawn butter, asparagus, couple glasses of merlot :facepalm:

 

[DaNinja]

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If I was that Captain, I would still be on the boat.........Mistakes can happen, but how one reacts to them is what we are made of.

The Coast Guard would have to have me physically removed from the ship.
That is me. A captain that has been busted on a negligent action might have some different motivations.

 

[bowman316]

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how cold was the water? I am guessing Italy may be colder than FL, but idk.
I would have swam to that little island right next to the ship.