93 Crownline 250; she 'was' dirty, but now shes clean and SPLASHED!!

[redneck joe]

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Re: 93 Crownline 250 'oh crap.. its even dirtier!" resto/refit thread

Well crap out of PBR so have to be on the Rolling Rock...



The bow rail on the Carver had not ever been properly sealed from the factory (evidenced by the silicone spots when I removed) plus they had been apparently loose for many years so my ply in the fiberglass was rotted somewhat around the thru bolts and even with large washers couldn't get a solid bolt. Rather than do it 'properly' I just cut blocks of wood larger than the rot area (about 6" x 3.5"), stained, and re-thru bolted. Looks good, really strong and a lot less work I figure it will last another 35 years or so now that it is sealed properly.

 

[bigdirty]

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Well crap out of PBR so have to be on the Rolling Rock... Rather than do it 'properly' I just cut blocks of wood larger than the rot area (about 6" x 3.5"), stained, and re-thru bolted. Looks good, really strong and a lot less work I figure it will last another 35 years or so now that it is sealed properly.

Ahh.. yup, not a bad beer that rolling... Ya, i've be planing and getting ready to cut new stringers and patch her back together... have to stop 'overthinking' it, as I'm sure what i do is going to be stronger than factory, and probly last at least 20 years :lol:

heres a re-do of my plan. Red is proposed new stringers and bulkheads, light orange is the main bulkhead I will put in last. blue circles are drain holes. That main wall/bulkhead is going to have to be a 3 piece affair, as there's no way to make it one piece and fit it in. I'm gona move it 6" further forward as well, which should leave about an 8" space between the fuel tank and the front of the motor in the end.

 

[redneck joe]

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Re: 93 Crownline 250 'oh crap.. its even dirtier!" resto/refit thread

dam thats a lotta lines. Wife stopped and got me some Guinness. I ordered the wrong size ubolts for the trailer. I'm just going to drink the rest of the afternoon and jump in the (new) pool. You have fun.

 

[bigdirty]

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Re: 93 Crownline 250 'oh crap.. its even dirtier!" resto/refit thread

heh... even if I had a pool, it would be a little cool still to jump in it :lol: I'm well on my way to tipsy however, planing a bonfire out back for later.

Happy saurday! arty: :drunk:

 

[tpenfield]

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Re: 93 Crownline 250 'oh crap.. its even dirtier!" resto/refit thread

Was there a fairly tall stringer that ran down the keel of the boat? I think I recall seeing the remnants of one in some of the earlier pictures. The taller stringers add a lot more strength, so you will want to look for those opportunities without impacting cabin space, etc.

I also see the bulkhead mods to get the fuel tank a bit more forward . . . is that correct that I am seeing?

Also, when I was planning out the work on my Formula 330, I search the web fairly extensively for any photos of the hull structure. I came across a few factory tour photos, which helped. Not sure if you can find the same sort of things for the Crownline, but since you have dug into it pretty good, it may not be necessary at this point.

 

[bigdirty]

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Was there a fairly tall stringer that ran down the keel of the boat? I think I recall seeing the remnants of one in some of the earlier pictures. The taller stringers add a lot more strength, so you will want to look for those opportunities without impacting cabin space, etc.

That is correct...well, there was a center stringer down the keel, from the v birth back to the aft cabin bulkhead.. but it was only about 4" tall in the main cabin, and kicked up to 6" in the aft.. so I'm gona be putting it back in essentially the same as factory, although i dont know how much strength it really adds.. I think the main stringers do the bulk of the load bearing, as they were/are 9" tall, doubled up 3/4" ply, and run almost the full lengh of the hull. The tripled up stringer I'm going to add will carry almost all the way forward from fuel tank to cabin.. so I'm guessing it will be just as strong if not more so than factory, despite being cut own to 7" height, being that its 2 1/4" thick now.. and will actually be PL'd to the hull before being glassed down :laugh:

I also see the bulkhead mods to get the fuel tank a bit more forward . . . is that correct that I am seeing?

Ya, it is a bit confusing i suppose, as I can go look at the thing with my own eyes in the driveway :lol: but yes, that was what I was trying to show there. On the side of the hull where the water lines are disconnected (and the white waste line is curved upwards) you can actually see the remains of the original bulkhead, and the ONLY tabbing that didnt break off by hand, still showing a small piece of white painted edge where I sawzalled it out from the hull

 

[Scott Danforth]

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Re: 93 Crownline 250 'oh crap.. its even dirtier!" resto/refit thread

I would probably pull the motor and redo the transom as well since your this far.

 

[Alwhite00]

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I would probably pull the motor and redo the transom as well since your this far.

X2
No better time.

 

[GT1000000]

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X3^^^...git r dun...you won't regret it...plus at the speed of light you are moving, it won't add but about 2-3 days, at most to your build, you could be in the water by the end of the month......well, maybe...
I didn't say at the end of which month......:lol:

 

[bigdirty]

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yeahhhh... weell.. like I said guys, that's not easily doable or feasible at this point, due to where the boat sits and having obstacles all around. I plan on drilling some core samples in the transom this week to make sure, but i think from tapping all around, plus NO stress cracking showing at all, the transom is sound. The way I am rebuilding it, the motor could come out at a later date without complete destruction, and wouldn't be such a problem to do if I could easily move the boat around (IE; on a trailer, that i don't have yet) so I'm going to finish what I've started for now, and see what happens after some time in the water.

 

[bigdirty]

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Re: 93 Crownline 250 'oh crap.. its even dirtier!" resto/refit thread

Ill have some pics coming later on, getting the stingers and bulkheads all sorted out today (hopefully), and i'm trying to lay everything out in the boat to get an idea how much materials to go buy.. There is a local guy who does glass work, has everything I'll need. A question though, regarding the stringers.. I've seen how this and other boats are/were built, and how a lot of members here are doing their restos and re-builds and as well as scouring the forum here, I've been talking to friends and local glass folks.. and there seams to be a conflicting 'way' of doing it.. to encapsulate (wrap and glass over) or to ONLY tab up the sides, leave the top exposed, then paint everything after its glassed to seal any exposed wood. Opinions?

 

[Scott Danforth]

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tab up the sides, then cap over the whole thing. Woodonglass has a great little pic in the link in his signature. http://forums.iboats.com/boat-resto...go-splashed-w-pics-384982-25.html#post3586813

 

[tpenfield]

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It kind of depends on how perfect a seal you want, and several methods can get you there.

if you use PB to bond the stringers and bulkheads to the hull, then you could go up and over the top with cloth and resin to get them fully encapsulated.

if you use PL or even a 'standoff' method, then you could pre-wrap the stringers and other components in CSM prior to installing them in the boat.

probably one of the best things that you could do is to fully glass your bulkheads prior to installing them. Since bulkheads are where the stringers meet, they tend to be able to spread moisture throughout the structure. Plus the fact that they go to the keel, the bulkheads are typically the first part of the structure that gets the moisture. So, if your the wood in your bulkheads are in direct contact with the wood in your stringers, then they can easily transfer moisture. If you wrap the bulkheads in fiberglass prior to installing them, then you avoid the direct contact of the wood at the joints of the structure.

anyway, just a few comments about the various ways to re-build the structure for added longevity.

 

[GT1000000]

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Re: 93 Crownline 250 'oh crap.. its even dirtier!" resto/refit thread

My 2?...
Most folks that do this for a living are not too concerned with the longevity of the repair...they know that it will last a few years and usually, in most cases the original owner gets rid of the boat, or they go out of business before any claims can be made of them...

Paint is a poor substitute for resin and mat to make a piece water resistant...

Here in the restoration forum, we are doing this for ourselves...the money we would have spent getting a half-a**ed job done by someone else, we use to buy stuff for the betterment of our boats...

I have said it before, When my tub is done, I'll put it up against even the modern designs using zero wood and for the money I will have spent, I'll know that I got the better deal...considering a new boat equivalent to mine would cost over 20 grand...yeah, I end up putting my labor in for free, but I end up knowing what I got under me...

BTW, I have done some part time glass work for a couple of different marinas and they tell me my way of doing glass work is the way that all glass/wood boats should be built...the reason most manufacturers don't do it this way is cost and production...

The types of boats I have worked on make most the boats we restore here look like tenders...and the owners expect nothing but the best quality repairs, which is what they get considering the prices they pay...

One example, a few years ago, was a 60-70 something foot Hatteras that had received a gash in hull from slamming into a concrete dock in heavy seas...
It was about 4 feet long, radiating with cracks about 2 ft. all around, and under the main cabin floor...the cost to remove everything in the way, to gain access to the cabin floor, then cut a 4 ft. by 6 ft. access hole in it to reach the gash, repair the gash from the inside, then the outside, re-gel the bottom to match, re-install the cabin floor and everything on top was over 20,000...I was in charge of making the repair to the gash and the cabin floor...other workers took care of the R&R and re-gel...for my part, I made a little over 2 g's for 2 days work...not bad work if you can get it often enough...

So in conclusion, it is your boat to do with as you please, and if you want to take some shortcuts, that's OK...because after all is said and done, You will know what you have under you...and if you are OK with that then that is all that matters in the end...

Well maybe that was more like a half penny's worth...:watermelon:

 

[Axkiker]

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Man I wish I could figure out how you are ripping everything out this fast. By the way it looks you will be done prior to me and you have a much larger boat.

 

[bigdirty]

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Re: 93 Crownline 250 'oh crap.. its even dirtier!" resto/refit thread

Man I wish I could figure out how you are ripping everything out this fast. By the way it looks you will be done prior to me and you have a much larger boat.

Brute force, ignorance, and rage. Lots of rage..

:laugh:

I don't really have too much else going on in my life right now, and am for the moment(s) enjoying the single life.. so I have been able to devote a lot of time to the boat over the last few weeks. Eat, sleep, work, work on boat... repeat...

 

[Axkiker]

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Re: 93 Crownline 250 'oh crap.. its even dirtier!" resto/refit thread

Brute force, ignorance, and rage. Lots of rage..

:laugh:

I don't really have too much else going on in my life right now, and am for the moment(s) enjoying the single life.. so I have been able to devote a lot of time to the boat over the last few weeks. Eat, sleep, work, work on boat... repeat...

HAHHAH I totally understand what you mean... Lots of rage involved in tearing these things apart.

 

[bigdirty]

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Re: 93 Crownline 250 'oh crap.. its even dirtier!" resto/refit thread

... Lots of rage involved in tearing these things apart.

Some of it dues to previous owners or even factory issues...

Pics of the nights adventures....

Got most of her skeleton cut and fitted..its all just sitting there for the moment, need to do a bit more grinding and laminate the stringers properly. (only a few screws holding the triple thick pieces together right now)




The short pieces between the main stringers and outer ones will get a piece of 3/4" laid on top of them in the end, I'll use as 'pads' to support the fuel tank. My hope doing it this way is to allow any water to all drain down to the keel, instead of pooling or sitting under the tank as it was built from the factory.









Its getting there... just a few more pieces up front to make up and I can pull it all out, cut water drain holes at the end of the main stringers, do one more grinding session in there and throw it all back in.. screw and glue everything to everything, and just maybe I'll be glassing by the weekend..

 

[bigdirty]

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Oh, and I didnt get to start working on the boat today untill about 2 pm..had the day off work, and was up at 8am.. BUUUUUT; the blasted JETTA decided to act up on a drive to town this morning... a simple coffee run.. :facepalm: it made it to the coffee shop, but on the return trip the tach died and oil light started flashing. In the case of a late 90's vw, this is an indication your alternator has pooped its pants. Ya...

:lol:

So i made it home, and nosed it in a best I could into the boat shed, as they were calling for rain later in the day, and for the next 3. I fought the thing apart, and got ride BACK to town to the rebuild guy with the offending piece of automotive magic. Which by the way VW wanted $400 for a new one.. :faint2: Got it rebuilt for $90. And was done by 5pm. Suck on THAT vw stealership! Didn't think it would be done today, so I called my boss and got tomorrow morning off as well. So I spent the rest of the day and night working on the boat, but I was constantly confronted with this, poking its nose in like a sad dog...

 

[bigdirty]

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Oh, and to address the glassing issue... i dont expect to have this boat forever, and while i want it safe and sturdy, I don't see the need to overbuild it to the extent it WILL last forever.. In all likelihood it will not hold much value in 5-10 years anyway, and heck, it lasted 20+ years the way it was built originally.. :lol: I think I will glass over the top of everything in the engine bay and fuel tank section, but the rest will just get tabbed to the sides and painted over in the end. I'm leaving passages for water to escape, and I will rebuild the cabin floor (and aft) as removable sections for easy access and inspection.. as well as fix the leaks from the bow, window vents, and rub rail. She will be solid again, even more so than originally built (imo..) and likely last for many years to come..