77 Bayliner Runaway-Oh Lawd what'd I get myself into!!!

[Bob_VT]

Re: 77 Bayliner Runaway-Oh Lawd what'd I get myself into!!!

I have to echo the statement above. Please exercise a bit more caution while grinding..... you, the hubby, the young man all should be getting hosed down with COLD water ...... you want to prevent that garbage from entering your skin.

You should keep your eyes open for rashes on everyone. Yes there are fairly cheap tyvek coveralls that will protect you.

Check out these posts http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=309839&highlight=grinding

http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=177407&highlight=grinding

 

[SnowHunter]

Re: 77 Bayliner Runaway-Oh Lawd what'd I get myself into!!!

girl i cant believe your grinding f/g in shorts and a short sleeve shirt, i feel like sissy, i where dickies work pants and 2 long sleeve tshirts at least, some times a tyvek suit, its getting to hot here already for a tyvek suit.

and please go to lowes/hd and buy a proper respirator those paper masks are not suitable(pos)for what your doing. when f/g gets in your lungs it will not move out, you know how your proly itchin right now??? imagine that in your lungs. i want to see ya finish this thing and enjoy it for a loooooong time with your kids without an oxy tank. get the saftey stuff hooked up ok?

I have to echo the statement above. Please exercise a bit more caution while grinding..... you, the hubby, the young man all should be getting hosed down with COLD water ...... you want to prevent that garbage from entering your skin.

You should keep your eyes open for rashes on everyone. Yes there are fairly cheap tyvek coveralls that will protect you.

Check out these posts http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=309839&highlight=grinding

http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=177407&highlight=grinding

Kids weren't near while grinding...thats a definate precaution I was adamant about!

Yup, I'd planned on gettin some type of coverall suits to grind in, and I will go and buy a respirator, in fact, It'll be done tomorrow before I do anymore!!! I've got some old clothes I just pulled out for future grinding as well!!!

and 10-4 on the rashes. I will keep my eyes peeled I'm just glad I don't itch, thankfully!

 

[BobsGlasstream]

Re: 77 Bayliner Runaway-Oh Lawd what'd I get myself into!!!

SnowHunter,
As the previous posters stated, Take care. I aw the pic of you grinding and went "OMG". The snowmen suits work good and don't cost that much. I got mine for only a few bucks each. Glad to hear you won't do that anymore.
Goggles would be a good Idea too.
Never have to much protection.
Have fun and be safe.
Bob

 

[SnowHunter]

Re: 77 Bayliner Runaway-Oh Lawd what'd I get myself into!!!

respirator, check; goggles, check; protective suit, check; sanity....ummmm.....I'll get back to ya on that one!!!

 

[osborn159]

Re: 77 Bayliner Runaway-Oh Lawd what'd I get myself into!!!

i feel better already knowing youll make it thru this without doing damage to your respritory system, go at it now, let the dust fly.

 

[SnowHunter]

Re: 77 Bayliner Runaway-Oh Lawd what'd I get myself into!!!

I did os Got bout 20 min done and it got too hawt...sweat in the eyes, ouch!!!

Gonna wait till the sun is on the other side of the trees....and grind when its a lil cooler out. Then, I can make some good progress, YAY!!!

 

[qbynewbie]

Re: 77 Bayliner Runaway-Oh Lawd what'd I get myself into!!!

Snow, I don't much about boats but I know that this is a great thread.

You've got a real nice family there and it's nice to see you all sharing this kind of project.

 

[BobsGlasstream]

Re: 77 Bayliner Runaway-Oh Lawd what'd I get myself into!!!

Those suits do get pretty hot. I did most of my grinding when it was in the 30's. Glad to know you are protected now.
Keep the pic's coming.
Bob

 

[SnowHunter]

Re: 77 Bayliner Runaway-Oh Lawd what'd I get myself into!!!

Snow, I don't much about boats but I know that this is a great thread.

You've got a real nice family there and it's nice to see you all sharing this kind of project.

Well thank you Really preciate that!!!

Those suits do get pretty hot. I did most of my grinding when it was in the 30's. Glad to know you are protected now.
Keep the pic's coming.
Bob

It would have been alright, if the goggles hadn't a gotten hawt.

No grindin this evenin. Gotta catch up on housework, YUK!

Goin to look at another boat tomorrow and son has EEG, so, might not get to do much.

 

[SnowHunter]

Re: 77 Bayliner Runaway-Oh Lawd what'd I get myself into!!!

So, a question...regarding all this grinding...

My deck was actually about 2-3" sort of the hull on each long side. *scratching head* From the edge of the deck to the hull is all resin/fiberglass stuff (bout 3/4" thick). I don't have pics, and its too dark to take one with my phone.

Do I go ahead and grind to the hull or leave the resin and use that as a spot for the deck to rest on?

I'm thinkin grind it down...or that could lead to stringer gap problems and mebe deck weakness?

ALSO.....(yes, I will shaddup after this one )

We're thinking of cutting out the front seating area in the bow. That would also be cutting out the source of the only leak in the boat. Does that extra material provide much structure to the boat itself? Or would we be able to provide just as much rigidity with the new seating/storage and glasswork that would entail?

 

[osborn159]

Re: 77 Bayliner Runaway-Oh Lawd what'd I get myself into!!!

snow, post a pic of what your thinkin of grindin on the deck, that way we aint guessin, i think it may be the floor fairing but w/o being able to see it ???
as for the bow seating proly the same for me, guess i aint to good on the uptake today, post some pics.

 

[SnowHunter]

Re: 77 Bayliner Runaway-Oh Lawd what'd I get myself into!!!

Ok, got pics...

Here's the excess stuff on the side between the deck and hull....

This is on the right side (starboard?)

This is on the left (port?)

And here's the front seating area we were thinking of cutting out...it'd make life easier putting the top back on, and it would also give us a spot to build better storage/seating.

 

[osborn159]

Re: 77 Bayliner Runaway-Oh Lawd what'd I get myself into!!!

dont grind the stink out of that leave a recess to reset your deck in, may even help make a pattern for ya as well.
as far as cuttin up the topcap, i dont think i would, maybe im chicken, think about what you will gain vs what youll have in time and $$ to mod it, unless your just dead set on it. you may get other opinions, thats my .02

 

[SnowHunter]

Re: 77 Bayliner Runaway-Oh Lawd what'd I get myself into!!!

Ok, well, got a chance to do some more grinding today. Poor boats been ignored having to deal with gettin some other projects situated.

I took a closer look at the sides, that I posted previously about, and saw they were uneven. At this point, I just grinded a good bit down, out to the sides. (At least on one side of the boat. Got too hot to do the other.) Feathering it. (no pic of the feathering, oops!)

Problem was, the farther down I grinded, the closer I could see some dark splotches, and what looked like *dry* chopped up fiberglass.

Can yall see what I'm talkin bout? The stuff up under the thick layer of resin? *scratches head*

The woven roving is the only barrier between me and the gelcoat stuff on the outside. I'm trying to be REALLY careful about not grinding into it. I did hit a couple spots, but not deep. Those will get some reinforcement.

So if any of this makes sense, I'd love some advice...am I doing too much grinding? Doing enough? What is the dry fiberglass stuff I've run into? *shrug* I'd really preciate some advice before I do anymore grinding...

Thanks!

 

[HVAC Cruiser]

Re: 77 Bayliner Runaway-Oh Lawd what'd I get myself into!!!

Hey SnowHunter,
Just took a break from my grinding figured I would peek in

That dry glass your looking at is probably CSM or from a chopper gun that didn't get as much resin. I could be wrong so wait for others to chime in, but if it was my boat, I would clean up the glass and lay in another layer of 1708 biax to strengthen her up from the grinding.

Well its back to work for me, I just ordered another 3 gal of epoxy for the one project. In the interim I am gonna try to get the Sea Gem back on the water Just don't tell the wife

 

[SnowHunter]

Re: 77 Bayliner Runaway-Oh Lawd what'd I get myself into!!!

Hey SnowHunter,
Just took a break from my grinding figured I would peek in

That dry glass your looking at is probably CSM or from a chopper gun that didn't get as much resin. I could be wrong so wait for others to chime in, but if it was my boat, I would clean up the glass and lay in another layer of 1708 biax to strengthen her up from the grinding.

Well its back to work for me, I just ordered another 3 gal of epoxy for the one project. In the interim I am gonna try to get the Sea Gem back on the water Just don't tell the wife

Thats what I was thinkin...not enough resin.


Actually, I had thought of doing another layer on the whole hull. It has a LOT of flex on the sides, and more then I'm comfortable with on the bottom and I don't want to end up cracking the boat beyond repair while working IN it.

What exactly is biax? I've seen in mentioned before too

 

[HVAC Cruiser]

Re: 77 Bayliner Runaway-Oh Lawd what'd I get myself into!!!

Thats what I was thinkin...not enough resin.


Actually, I had thought of doing another layer on the whole hull. It has a LOT of flex on the sides, and more then I'm comfortable with on the bottom and I thdon't want to end up cracking the boat beyond repair while working IN it.

What exactly is biax? I've seen in mentioned before too

I agree, a full layer on the entire hull. Are you using poly or epoxy for your repairs?

1708 Biax is a heavy cloth where the strands are 45 degrees from the main weave with a CSM (cut strand mat) backing. Here is a link to it at US Composites . This fabric is super strong and leaves a smooth surface If you look at my transom turned rebuild thread, its what I used for the deck, transom etc...

 

[SnowHunter]

Re: 77 Bayliner Runaway-Oh Lawd what'd I get myself into!!!

I agree, a full layer on the entire hull. Are you using poly or epoxy for your repairs?

1708 Biax is a heavy cloth where the strands are 45 degrees from the main weave with a CSM (cut strand mat) backing. Here is a link to it at US Composites . This fabric is super strong and leaves a smooth surface If you look at my transom turned rebuild thread, its what I used for the deck, transom etc...

I'll be using poly, the budget just aint cut out for epoxy

I checked out US Composites a few weeks ago to price check supplies not too bad, really. Just gonna hafta find a way to squeeze somethin outta the budget to get started. Grrrr I need a job!!!

Hopefully I can get some more grinding done tomorrow. Hopefully it cools off some. this 75+ deg weather sure makes it tough to get a whole lot done before Snowy is slap wore out

 

[osborn159]

Re: 77 Bayliner Runaway-Oh Lawd what'd I get myself into!!!

looks good, keep at it, i agree looks like csm/choppergun stuff w/o enough resin in it, also agree on the 1708, thats what most of mine will b done with, along w/ csm on underside of decks and such. i know whatcha mean about the heat, it doesnt take long to get to sweatin at least its been overcast here the last few days. D

 

[SnowHunter]

Re: 77 Bayliner Runaway-Oh Lawd what'd I get myself into!!!

looks good, keep at it, i agree looks like csm/choppergun stuff w/o enough resin in it, also agree on the 1708, thats what most of mine will b done with, along w/ csm on underside of decks and such. i know whatcha mean about the heat, it doesnt take long to get to sweatin at least its been overcast here the last few days. D

yup...this baby gonna be water proof when I'm done cuz I REALLY don;t wanna hafta do this again!!!

Next boat is GONNA be a Starcraft.... I even gots da Hubby on board with the idea