1991 Bayliner Trophy 2002 Transom Repair

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Re: 1991 Bayliner Trophy 2002 Transom Repair

Man you are going to have it tot purty to use. Looks great though man. I have a few spots on two of mine I need to do this to.

It will never be too pretty to fish from....... Make'n it fully bloody from all the fish is the most fun of the summer, and what it is all about.......

As to doing thiese repairs. I have a buddy that like to burn one before he starts to sand. He says that it puts him in the right frame of mind. Over picky...........and brain dead! :D
 

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Update 12-06-2010

Update 12-06-2010

Well today north of me is getting up to 2 feet of snow. It has me wondering if I should put the boat on hold a couple of days and get the old sled ready. It is nothing new, but its lots of fun for the kids. There is no snow yet where I am. We are lucky if we get more than 24" of snow a year. 4-5" max a dumping. My sled is a 1974 Skidoo TNT/Everest 440. Oldy but goodie...... Yes it is a piece of Sh*t, but it runs great and the kids love it. It is only used 6-7 times a year locally. And if it dies oh well........ It was free! This year it needs a new kill switch and fuel primer pump $30.

But getting back to the boat. Tonight is a day off. I have to go to a buddies house and help him with his air boat. Putting the final touches on it. I'll take a pic of the fan cage setup that I design for him and help build. It is sweet....... Also I'm borrowing his random orbit sander for my boat. I was thinking of sanding the heavy gel coat oxidation off with 1000 grit before buffing. Very lightly that is.

Tomorrow night is finishing the chips and possibly starting in on the impact areas or buffing. We'll see.
 

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12-06-2010 cont'd

12-06-2010 cont'd

Just got off the phone with teleflex marine steering div. Their technical support people stated that their single cables are rate for up to 200hp. But not for faster than 50mph. So the old single cable is going back in right now. I'll upgrade it later this summer to hydralics.

Also just purchased my snowmobile parts so no impact stress crack repairs till next year........ Boats on hold a couple of days! Its snowmobiling season.:D
 

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Re: 1991 Bayliner Trophy 2002 Transom Repair

YD did respond. I am gathering vast amounts of YD experience and reccomendations to tackle that part of this project. When I come to that part of the project I will post his recommendation with his consent of coaurse. and the how to's.

Its staying in my garage for now. Nice and warm and cozy!.....:D

JKBisson....

You really should spray over your reps with gel man..like I recommended in our PM's...

Just a fill and fair/sand/polish will not work..

Grind/Fill/fair/sand/wetsand and polish is a snake trick.. It will NOT hold up. .. It will Look great and cannot be seen for the first month or so in the sun ( just long enough for that check to clear ) ... then the repair Will poP sometime fast after that.

You have to encapsulate the gel repair with liquid gel..and then finish...

YD.

PS. JK.. Doing good..your on top of things there..keep up the good work man...peace Out..

YD.
 

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JKBisson....

You really should spray over your reps with gel man..like I recommended in our PM's...

Just a fill and fair/sand/polish will not work..

Grind/Fill/fair/sand/wetsand and polish is a snake trick.. It will NOT hold up. .. It will Look great and cannot be seen for the first month or so in the sun ( just long enough for that check to clear ) ... then the repair Will poP sometime fast after that.

You have to encapsulate the gel repair with liquid gel..and then finish...

YD.

PS. JK.. Doing good..your on top of things there..keep up the good work man...peace Out..

YD.

Sorry, but we where talking specificly about the side impact stress crack repairs in our PM's. Not the chip repairs.

The process I inployed in the chip repair was grind/fill/sand/polish. I understand this could have issues where the material could fall out at a later date if not done correctly. But I did remove all the existing gel under the chip down to the the glass. Giving the repair patch a nice bonding surface to adhere to. I also do not disagree with the direction of giving a final coat of liquid gel, but I'm not going to do that. Its a 20 year old boat and the gel should stay in place sealing the chipped holes for as long as I have the boat. They may look like hell after the next year (discolouration) but I can fix/spray with liquid gel next winter for something to do if it becomes an issue.

I have seen this type of repair last 3 years and still going strong. My buddy use this same process and materials and he has not had any problems yet with his repair. But I believe that is due to proper prep work. So we'll see how long this last for my repair. Worst case is I get into the repair you suggest Yacht Dr.

If I do get into the the stress crack repairs on the sides of the cap I will definately following your instructions to the letter. As the area is quote large and needs to be fixed in a different manner than the chips where.

Thanks Yacht Dr for your input it is greatly appreciated. You ever get a chance to find out if you did have the right colour gel coat?
 

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Update 11-08-2010

Update 11-08-2010

Well took Monday night off, but did not get to go out. Had company over all night. Its the season, so that will be happening off and on over the next four weeks. So going out this evening to chek out buddies airboat and take a pic or two. I'll post tomorrow.

Also last night was able to finish the rest of the chip repairs. Sorry no pics of the finished product. Its the sme as the other ones I already postd. Now it's time to decide weather or not I am going to get into the side inpact stress cracks. I need to figure out costs and timing. I'll post the desicion later today. If I do not get into them it's buffing time. I'll post the finishing steps (buffing) for my gel coat repairs.

Later.........
 

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It looks like the stress racks are on hold till next pay check minimum. The admiral just called saying that one of the girls just broke their glasses. So the disposable money is going there. So buffing time is here. I may come back to the gel coat after the buffing. We'll see.
 

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Hey if you itching to do some gel repairs come on down to Tennessee and Ill sacrifice and just let you do mine. I feel for you seems like every time I get some extra money for projects here come Murphy to eat it up. Cant wait to see updates. Post a thread on that air boat sounds interesting.
 

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Hey if you itching to do some gel repairs come on down to Tennessee and Ill sacrifice and just let you do mine. I feel for you seems like every time I get some extra money for projects here come Murphy to eat it up. Cant wait to see updates. Post a thread on that air boat sounds interesting.

I've found that the more Kids you have the more Murphy shows up. What I mean is I have 4 kids and my sister has one. I keep telling here she has not even begun to know Murphy intimately yet. Hell I almost know murphy better than my wife!!!!!!!! :eek:
 

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Update 12-9-2010

Update 12-9-2010

Well no work done on the boat last night. Worked on the sled due to snow arrival over this weeked. Need to clean up a few air leaks on the fuel system on that thing. Then went over to a buddies and argued with him about how best to fix his air boat. I know I promised pics, but forgot the camera at home. Next week I'll deffinately rememder to bring it along.

Tonight I'll start on the buffing. I plan on stripping the old wax off. I plan on using acetone to do this. I heard some where, possibly here, that some people do this every year inorder to reduce the yellowing effect on their boats as the old wax ages. Never herd it before that though, but does sort of makes sence.

After the wipe down I plan on wet sand the hull with 800 then 1000 girt to remove the heavy oxidation. Then I was going to switch over to heavy cut compound (meguires) then the 3m finishing compound. I'll post the steps.

That's it for today.
 

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Just finished doing a cost break down on the stress crack repair. It came out to roughly $230 plus tax. That would give me enough material to fix the 5 spots of stress cracks along with the the two spots on the transom where the engine bots where. The two high cost items are the spectrum liquid gel coat, and the 1 gallon of polyester resin. I have not included any cost for the sanding materials. I already have those. If anyone wants the complete break down PM me and I'll forward them.

So this stuff will be order next pay check, and over the x-mas break this repair will be completed. Then the hull will be finally done.

Just trying to keep everyone in formed of the goings on.......
 

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Update 12-10-2010

Update 12-10-2010

Last night started with the buffing of the cap I thought for this part of the project I would share a few more steps of how I clean the hull. I firmly believe that one can not properly buff anything if it is not throughly cleaned first. Let me say again I am no professinal at this. I have learned all this by trial and error and by buying a whole lot of products to find out what works for me. I probably have 20-30 bottles of wax/cleaners that I do not even use. Hell that is alot of money when you think of it at 8-10 bucks a bottle. So if this helps some other person save time and money then I've met my goal. Also if any pro out there has a couple of pointers they would be greatly apperciated.

I first have a pic of all the cleaners I use for cleaning my hull. Here is the pic.

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I first wash the boat with Meguires boat wash. I did not include it because any soap will do. IMO Next if there is a stain I use Spray Nine. This seams to take everything off but rubber and gease marks. For those I use either Starbrite Black Streak remover or their Rust & Stain remover. I prefer to step up on the strength of cleaners on any stain rather than start off with the harshest first. I'm sure some of these are not good for any gel coat with repeated use. Hell they are not good for me. The fumes are pretty bad on the Rust & Stain remover. That stuff has even removed my finger prints the first time I used it. Use gloves for these products! I also use a cloth and sponge/scotch brites for the scrubbing. After that I use the acetone to remove any glue and excess wax from the hull. I also use a straight razor blade for cleaning off any really hard glue spots. Be careful not to gouge the gel with it though.

Here are some pic of the completed "bubble" on the cap. I did not take step by step pics of this process as I'm sure everyone knows how to wash a boat.

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With the acetone it took off alot of old wax and sealers. The rag was extremely dirty after that step. I was very suprised seeing I just finished scrubbing the hull with cleaners. I also discoverd another probem area. My black dash has a ton of spider cracks. To Yatch Dr. or any other pro out there, how do you recomend I fix this. I'm guessing grind, sand, fill, sand, spray (liquid gell), sand, fair, and buff. Here is a pic of the cracks. The bottom of my hull is startig to do this as well.

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I will post the buffing process step by step tomorrow. I'll be staring this tonight and finishing it tomorrow night. Wish me luck.

And yes Proshadetree there will be lots of pics...... Is the vision of it sitting in your drive way becoming clearer by the day?:D
 

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Re: 1991 Bayliner Trophy 2002 Transom Repair

Yes it is . I also have cracks in my Century dash that's in my avatar. I will be watching to see how you rid yourself of those. It is surprising how much gunk is left on a hull after you clean it. I have used the Starbright stain remover and still had crud before a polish. I had to do this to my Baylinner two years ago. After I got it looking good it takes about a day to make her ready for the summer. I have a spot cleaned out get her done and bring her down. Heck Im going to have more boats than the local dealer.
 

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Yes it is . I also have cracks in my Century dash that's in my avatar. I will be watching to see how you rid yourself of those. It is surprising how much gunk is left on a hull after you clean it. I have used the Starbright stain remover and still had crud before a polish. I had to do this to my Baylinner two years ago. After I got it looking good it takes about a day to make her ready for the summer. I have a spot cleaned out get her done and bring her down. Heck Im going to have more boats than the local dealer.

We have one problem with it getting to your driveway ................................ I don't deliver! :eek:

The dash will stay the way it is other than a light wet sand and buff job. That will be next years project.

Now to the progress report!
 

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Update 12-11-2010

Where to start? Well I work 4 hours on this last night. I did not get as far as I wanted to, and I was not as happy with the outcome. I also learned another couple of valuable lessons.

The first lesson: When wet sanding and buffing you need to completely sand each step before moving on to the next one. If not, you get scratcheds that will show up at the buffing stage. Or better yet heavy compound buffing stage is a good indicator of where you need to sand more. LOL

The second lesson: If you intend to sand one area, you need to sand everything. Or you will get varying gloss levels. The properly sand spots will be shiner than the non-sanded areas. This is due to oxidation of the gel coat. The oxidation has been removed when sanding and not where not sanded.

The thrid lesson: 1000 grit wet sand is not the last step before buffing. You need to go up to 1500 grit and then 2000 grit before buffing. This will save you alot of heavy compound buffing. Like 1/2 the time with the heavey compound. Those scratches I talked about in lesson one.

Now on to the pics. I started on the drivers side wall first. I started sanding with 600 grit and stepped up to 800 and then finally 1000 grit. This is where I learned the grit issues and scratches. I need to redo this area if I want to get the mirror effect. Here is the pic after wet sanding.

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Next I moved to the heavy compound. I like to try to keep the "medium/compound" semi wet. Just at the point of drying. That way I can unload the foam disc when it gets clogged easier. I also Like to see how it is coming out so I will let the compound dry on the pad and I will work remaining film/compound off the work surface after wiping the area clean with a rag. Buffing does not require globs of compound. Once the pad is "loaded" with compound a squirt from the spray bottle of water will bring the compound back to life "cutting" with a simple half a squirt. I tend to work on the dry side of these compounds for the final stages of the buffing You don't get a deep shine with the compound. I guess you can but I have a finer step to go after this anyways. But you do get a minor shine. I do not let the speed on the buffer to get over Number "2 to 3" setting. Here is the pic after this step.

Warning always keep that pad moving. If you stop in a area you will burn the medium/compound into the gel and then back to sanding!

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If you look you can just start seeing the buffers reflection in the gell.

Next I switch pad to the finishing pad and compound from 3M. This is where I get my really nice shine. The mirror if you will. I tend to use minor amounts of compound and lots of water to reactive it. Again I tent to work on the dry side. I will first load the pad with a dime size blob of compound and start working it into the gel. Then after about 5-6 seconds I'll give the gel a squirt of water. This is so the compound does not dry out. Then I'll work an area 1.5' BY 1.5' square. I keep working the compound untill I get all the compound worked off the gel. If I get a build up of dry compound I'll wipe that off with a towel. Here is a pic the same area after this step.

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You will notice that the shine is there but not the mirror. If you where to look very close you would see small (800 grit) scratches there. This is where I learned the finer sand paper is required tip. If I had used a DA with 1500 then 2000 grit, the scratches would be gone and the finish would probably be a mirror. We'll see tonight. I'm going to pic up some more paper of those grits today and try it tonight.

Next post is the samne steps but on the "bubble" Next post.
 

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Here are the pic of the "bubble"

The first pic you will notice that bubble was split in two work areas. The left side has been worked with heavy compound after wet sanding. The right side is after wet sanding only. Notice the gloss difference, or lack there off.

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The second pic is of finish buffing stage the left side only. Still wet sanded on the right. You will notice the spotty shine. I only sanded where the side pin striping was. Not the whole bubble. This is where I leaned the sanding of all the area lesson. I also really sanded the area with 1000 grit. So the 800 grit scratches are not showing through. But still no mirror.

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The third pic is the black dash. As you move across you will see the three steps in my buffing process. On very left it has been buffed with the finishing compound. In the middle you will see where is was hit with the heavy compound and the right side you will see the wet sanding stage. Also because its black you can see the scratched that I was talking about. This will need to be sanded again and gone through the whole buffing process again.

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So tomorrow I`ll post the results from sanding with the 1500 and 2000 grit before buffing. It will not be with a DA sander because I`m drawing the line on buying more tools. A first for everything!!!!:eek:

If anyone has any pointers please feel free to post them. I would appreciate them especially if it saves me some time and arm work!
 

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I wet sanded my Baylinner with 600 then 800 up to 1500. I used a compound called finesse it. This is for paint it starts out rough and as it breaks down if fine. I used a block for wet sanding where I could. This process took me a week in the evenings and a whole weekend. I hurt so bad it stank. I now only have to wax once a year. Maybe YD will offer some advice as all mine was the same as automotive. Heck of a lot more area on a boat as compared to a car.
 

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I went back out to the garage this afternoon and took a good look at what I did last night. I think where the gloss is not up to my high standard I will resand tonight and rebuff. I'll leave the areas where I did sand alone. We'll see how I make out tomorrow with pics.

I hope YD or any other pro to stop in for a coment on this. It would be appreciate!
 

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Well worked another 4.5hrs on buffing again last night. I did not get into town to buy the 1500 and 2000 grit sand paper. But I did go back and resand with 1000 grit the really scratched areas. It did help but the shine did not improve to a mirror. It is shiny though just not perfect.

Also as a side thought I have to say that Harbour Freight buffer is not that bad. I have put 30-40 hrs on it befoer starting this project and so far this project probably put an additional 20-30 hrs on it so far. Its still going strong. I have had bad experience with cheap tools in the past, but this one is working out pretty good for only $30 bucks. But watch now that I commented on it, it will die tonight! LOL

Anyways I started with the other side of the "bubble" and really sanded with the 1000 grit sand paper. My thinking was that I did not sand enough with it the previous night and that is why I had the scratches. But when I finished with all the buffing the outcome was the same. Minor scratches that effect the gloss level. So 1500 and 2000 grit should get the finish to a mirror. But a "DA" needs to be the application mode. That way no directional scratches.

Here is the out come of the hood.

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You will notice that there is not much difference between the sides. I did not find any in person. So to get to the mirror state I am assuming you need to us the higher grit sand papers. I'm not will to try the theroy because I am lazy and out of shape. I have to give credit to anyone who does this work professionally. This is very labour intensive. My 300lb fat *** was really dragging after this. If you want a cardio work out take this up!

The next post will be of the dash and how it came out.
 

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Here is the out come from the dash in steps. The first pic is of the before on the passenger side. You will notice the heavy oxidation where the grab handle was.

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The first step was sanding. I only sanded lightly with the 800 grit first, then stepping up to the 1000 grit afterwards. I really sanded with the 1000 grit. But I made a point not to sand through the black gel. Here is a pic after sanding.

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Next I started in with the heavy compound. I tried using the compound really wet for this area. My thinking was that the compound would act like 2000 grit wet sand paper. It worked kind off, but I think the grit factor in the compound if something like 3000 grit. It would take a ton of time to work out the scratches this way. You can not jump up in grit levels that far and expect it to work the same. Also learned that you really have to be carful with the cleanliness of the pads. I got a bit of contamination and it left more scratches where I was trying to work other out. Here is out come after heavy compound.

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Next I went to the finness it compound, or finishing compound. I used this on the dry side to help with the "hue/cloudy" effect I was getting from the "wet sanding" with the heavy compound. This seams to clear it up , but it takes awhile. Here is a pic of the outcome.

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Next post is the other side.
 
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