1987 Reinell 192s Restoration Project

[VolleyGirlSC]

Re: 1987 Reinell 192s Restoration Project

@jbcurt00 - Thank you for clarifying - this will be our first fiberglass experience of significant size, so have each step laid out is critical for us. I agree - a shelf mount sounds like the right way to go. I think that is what Frisco did too, I'll have to go back and read that again. The good news is that the stringers around the gas tank are in much better condition. We're going to replace the transom and bilge structure first, then pull the rest. Once we've pulled more floor, I'll be able to assess them more completely. At this point though it seems like it will be easier to just rebuild the whole thing rather than trying to scarf in the stringers. We'll see.

 

[jbcurt00]

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There are other joints that could be used instead of a scarf, but each, including scarf, have pros & cons.... Personally, for me, it'd be a question of doing 60-70% now, leaving some of the rest versus pulling 100%. Just like the transom, sometimes you don't know until you demo a component & see it's actual condition instead of trying to assess a 6' length of stringer from a few drill tests & the end you cut.

It'll cost more now (time & money) to pull 100%, but it will cost WAY more time & money to demo the undone portions & redo it later if a problem ever arises. Esp since you will be redoing some of the work you do now just to tie back & connect the 2 areas again. That's if you're lucky and you don't need to redo 100% at that time....

Ultimately I'd rather be wrong & pull good material now, rather then leave materials I can't be 100% positive as to their condition, particularly anything wrapped w/ resin & glass...

It's always journey: do some demo, assess & inspect underlying materials, possibly revise plan, & repeat. It's 1 I hope to re-start @ the FireFlite again soon.....

Have a great weekend, hope the weather is boat work friendly! Highs in the high 50's here Sat & Sun

 

[VolleyGirlSC]

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Ultimately I'd rather be wrong & pull good material now, rather then leave materials I can't be 100% positive as to their condition, particularly anything wrapped w/ resin & glass...

It's always journey: do some demo, assess & inspect underlying materials, possibly revise plan, & repeat. It's 1 I hope to re-start @ the FireFlite again soon.....

I agree completely with not coming back to resto more later. We are assessing as we go and I am flexible - we'll do what we have to in order to make it right. I think we will end up doing the whole thing.

What do you think about the cap. Do I have to pull it to do the transom?

So far weather forecast here looks good - mid-60's with some clouds and not too windy. We have a b-day party on Saturday, then the kids are going with the inlaws, so we'll have some time Sat afternoon and Sunday to get working on the boat.

Have a great weekend!

 

[jbcurt00]

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Based on how little cap you have 'overhanging' the transom:

And you can cut this transom loose along the edges & take it out:

I'd guess you can leave the cap. It's been almost a year, Friscoboater didn't cut or pull his, even up front in the bow seat areas, correct?

For I/O fiberglass boat questions, you can probably PM Friscoboater or hit his blog/youtube channels w/ them. May need to give him sometime to reply. If you ask him a question, include a link to your thread. He does post here still occasionally

 

[VolleyGirlSC]

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Will do - thanks. I started pulling the wood this weekend. The rotten half came out really easily, of course. Now its getting the good wood out that will be the fun part.

 

[VolleyGirlSC]

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We haven't made the progress that I wanted. My older son and I both had a fun week with the flu. I did get a few hours in on Sunday though, which was very therapeutic. I picked up a cheap oscillating tool at Harbor Freight and I love it. I will have to get some more blades, but it works wonders.

I have half the transom wood out, but the fiberglass of the hull underneath looks horrible - I think it is actually moldy. Once I get the other half out, I'll grind it down to fresh glass - is there anything else I should do to treat that mold? Should I add a layer of class to the hull before I put the new transom wood in?

Here is the latest progress:

 

[mrdjflores]

Re: 1987 Reinell 192s Restoration Project

i prolly used the same oscillating tool from HF.....but the windings burnt out after about 2 hours of total use....come to find out, only had a 30 day warranty

 

[tpenfield]

Re: 1987 Reinell 192s Restoration Project

We haven't made the progress that I wanted. My older son and I both had a fun week with the flu. I did get a few hours in on Sunday though, which was very therapeutic. I picked up a cheap oscillating tool at Harbor Freight and I love it. I will have to get some more blades, but it works wonders.

I have half the transom wood out, but the fiberglass of the hull underneath looks horrible - I think it is actually moldy. Once I get the other half out, I'll grind it down to fresh glass - is there anything else I should do to treat that mold? Should I add a layer of class to the hull before I put the new transom wood in?

Your determination, even with the flu, is admirable. You could use some bleach to chase away the mold. . . . The fiberglass looks like it is "chopper gun" method, and not hand layup. So, you will probably find mold in many areas. I would not grind too much . . . maybe do the bleach and then grind to get a fresh surface.

When I did structural repairs on my 'old' Formula last year (F-242), I had mold underneath the resin coating on the stringers. The wood in the area was fine, just surface mold, but it was growing on the surface of the wood, underneath the resin ?!?!?!? Soooo, I had to grind away the resin to get at it. Of course grinding away the resin also got most of the mold. I did hit it with some Ethylene Glycol (i.e. automotive antifreeze) and let it soak in for about 1 week before re-coating.

Uniform thickness within spec for the transom assembly are going to be key concerns for the transom area. So, take those into consideration when adding material, etc.

 

[VolleyGirlSC]

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i prolly used the same oscillating tool from HF.....but the windings burnt out after about 2 hours of total use....come to find out, only had a 30 day warranty

That is a bummer - I got it on sale for $24.99, so if it burns out, I'll have to run to get another one. I think next time I'll get the $5 1 year protection plan if I do. When I looked at the more quality brands at Home Depot & Lowes they were $80+ and I just couldn't justify it. I may change my mind on that if I find myself using it for other things around the house though.

 

[VolleyGirlSC]

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Your determination, even with the flu, is admirable. You could use some bleach to chase away the mold. . . . The fiberglass looks like it is "chopper gun" method, and not hand layup. So, you will probably find mold in many areas. I would not grind too much . . . maybe do the bleach and then grind to get a fresh surface.

When I did structural repairs on my 'old' Formula last year (F-242), I had mold underneath the resin coating on the stringers. The wood in the area was fine, just surface mold, but it was growing on the surface of the wood, underneath the resin ?!?!?!? Soooo, I had to grind away the resin to get at it. Of course grinding away the resin also got most of the mold. I did hit it with some Ethylene Glycol (i.e. automotive antifreeze) and let it soak in for about 1 week before re-coating.

Uniform thickness within spec for the transom assembly are going to be key concerns for the transom area. So, take those into consideration when adding material, etc.

Thank you for the info - I think I will grind a bit to try to get fresh glass and kill any mold if I can't grind enough. I hadn't thought about the thickness so thanks - that would be a really painful rookie mistake to make.

 

[VolleyGirlSC]

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I went ahead and bit the bullet today and started ordering supplies - mostly because I know shipping will take time and I would rather have it here and not need it, than be ready for it and not have it.

I ordered the following from www.fiberglasssite.com
15 yards of 1.5oz Chopped Strand Mat
10 yards of 1708
10 yards of 6oz cloth
It cost $194 all together plus another $70 of shipping via UPS ground, so it will be a bit before it makes its way to my house. (My first estimates and from reading other builds, I hope this will be enough to do the transom, stringers and floor. If not, I'll pick up cut-to-length here locally to bridge the gap.)

I also ordered through my work
5 gallons poly resin
1/2 Gallon of Glass Fibers
1 Gallon of Collodial Silica
Glass Rollers
Resin Rollers
2 Gallons of Aceton
Earplugs
New Coveralls
Respirator refill filters
Gloves
Plastics Buckets
This set me back another $250, but I can't complain since I get a nice discount through my work for these types of supplies. These will arrive at my office Thursday. (These are the supplies for transom and bilge - I'll order more once we are ready to do the stringers and deck.)

I am heading to HD this weekend to pick up the wood, titebond III, PL, saw blades and template foam.

Anything I am missing that y'all can think of?

The plan for this weekend is to get the rest of the transom wood out and start grinding the transom and bilge area. I have set aside this weekend and next for grinding the transom and bilge - hopefully it will be enough time. Then we'll plan to build the new transom and install it the weekend after that. IF I cut the wood and have it prepped, can I do it in one weekend? I plan to resin the wood Friday night, cover in glass Saturday and put it into the transom Sunday... is that enough cure time using the poly resin?

Thanks in advance for any advice, tips, etc.

 

[jbcurt00]

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I plan to resin the wood Friday night, cover in glass Saturday and put it into the transom Sunday... is that enough cure time using the poly resin?

Coat the plywood transom with after laminating the 2 pieces together & cutting it to fit. When it gets tacky, depending on ventilation & temps an hour +/-, re-roll w/ resin & apply CSM. Basically all in 1 layup, with a short wait in between. You can also work both sides of the transom plywood at the same time. So w/ enough time Fri after work, you could get all of Fri & Sat work completed. It will still kickoff over night & practice the transom install a couple times before actually installing it Sat.

You need to have a clamping plan to securely hold the transom ply in position, and flat & perpendicular to the centerline of the boat.

 

[VolleyGirlSC]

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I really messed up today getting the wood out of the transom - any thoughts on how I should repair this?

Oscillating saw got the best of me - about 5 inches long and all the way through the hull in the transom. :facepalm:

 

[jbcurt00]

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It is of no consequence, except there will now be a repair on the transom's exterior skin.

Is that blue banding paint or gelcoat?

What were your plans for the exterior of the boat?

The transom, where there will be new plywood bedded in PB/PL, is the BEST place to daylight your hull. Just remember it's there & once you get the plywood out, & start prepping for installation of the new wood, we can address it.

So now you have some idea of how the saw sounds & cuts etc when you are getting close to punching thru the hull. Hopefully you can avoid doing it again..

We've all done it, some worse then others.

My 1st (I wish I could say the last) time I cut thru the hull, it was on the CAP & right out in front of the helm where the bow curves from gunwale past the windshield & towards the nose of the bow. It would be a place your eye naturally falls when the boat is tied at the dock :facepalm: And it too was with my multi-tool.............

 

[tpenfield]

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I really messed up today getting the wood out of the transom - any thoughts on how I should repair this?

Oscillating saw got the best of me - about 5 inches long and all the way through the hull in the transom.

You are not the first to do that sort of thing. I saw a thread on here where the guy ripped a couple of 2 foot long openings in the bottom of the hull !?!?!?!?

I would just stuff some CSM and resin in the slot and then you will want to gelcoat the outside area.

 

[VolleyGirlSC]

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Is that blue banding paint or gelcoat?

What were your plans for the exterior of the boat?

How do I tell if it is paint or gelcoat? It looks to me like the wider blue band is paint. The top white tape, bottom thin white tape and bottom blue tape are all just that, tape, which is peeling off. Below that I believe is the white gelcoat.

I am not 100% sure about the exterior. I was planning to wet sand and polish to get the haze out. If that doesn't work, I'll probably repaint/regel (not sure which I should do). Now with the cut, I may just go ahead and get it redone once we've got the interior completed. Any suggestions on the best approach?

So now you have some idea of how the saw sounds & cuts etc when you are getting close to punching thru the hull. Hopefully you can avoid doing it again..

I definitely have a better feel for the saw now and I will be very careful when I do the stringers by the hull. I am still surprised that I did this - just a few moments lack of focus and wham! I will be sure to stay more focused as we move forward.

I got the rest of the wood out this weekend and bought the new wood - I am letting it dry in the garage for the next few weeks. Next weekend I have an exam, but I am going to try and grind on Sunday. I'd like to get the transom and bilge area completely grinded, but we'll see if I can do it. Otherwise it will be the following weekend.

 

[VolleyGirlSC]

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You are not the first to do that sort of thing. I saw a thread on here where the guy ripped a couple of 2 foot long openings in the bottom of the hull !?!?!?!?

I am going to be more careful with the saw as I move forward - I don't think I could survive a 2' gash.

 

[jbcurt00]

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I am going to be more careful with the saw as I move forward - I don't think I could survive a 2' gash.

Don't be surprised when it happens again..... It usually does :facepalm:

I have 2 in the cap & 1 just below the rubrail, all 3-5" long. And each time I swore it wouldn't happen again...

If you have acetone, put some on a rag & lay it against the white/blue stripes for several minutes. It may wrinkle/loosen the tape, but that you can usually ID because it starts to tear/peel w/ age. Paint will also wrinkle up. Cured gelcoat will not be affected by the acetone.

 

[VolleyGirlSC]

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This weekend we didn't get as much time on the boat as I would have liked. The good news is I passed part 3 of the CIA (Certified Internal Auditor) examination on Saturday - so I only have 1 more test to go until I complete the certification. But that took up all of Saturday for me.

On Sunday, hubby and I got covered in dust grinding out the transom in preparation for next weekend. We first cut a template in foam based on the lip of skin we left, then we were busying grinding and grinding and grinding. I can't believe we're going to have to do this to pretty much the whole boat! We created so much dust - we had to shop vac over and over - we had all the appropriate safety gear on and so clean-up for us was fairly simple.

On Friday, I have a bit more grinding to do then we'll cut the wood, resin it, lam it together and cover it with glass. On Saturday, we'll install the transom in the boat. Hopefully on Sunday we can demo and grind the rest of the bilge area in prep for building that area in next. Here are some pics of the progress so far.

 

[saginawbayboater]

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Looking good VGSC! Perseverance! It always seems to like not enough is getting done, but alot is getting done. Good job!!